Jaden Jones - Redshirt?

[mugrat86]

I think what he was saying came out wrong. Miller holds his own well on the defensive end which is noteworthy for a true frosh. Definite potential there. But it’s also an exaggeration to say that right now he’s an amazing defensive stopper. He fouls a lot and it’s not like those gambles have paid off with a ton of steals or anything. The point is this team was lacking a kid who could be relied on to come in and do a decent job guarding the perimeter and not having the opponent go off on a huge run when Geo or Caleb aren’t in. We’re a better team for having him available this year rather than redshirt for this reason. But that doesn’t mean the kid is in the running for defensive player of the year the way he’s been hyped up either. That’s all.

That’s not what he said. At times, he has locked up some very good offense players

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

That’s not what he said. At times, he has locked up some very good offense players

I know. What he said came out wrong. He didn’t give Miller enough credit in attributing his PT over Jones being about a better attitude. But in fairness, effort (including attitude) is a big part of being a good defensive player. I think that’s what he was trying to say (Miller plays harder and Pike prefers that - especially since it’s helped us avoid getting crushed on the perimeter) but I’ll let Soho clarify.

 

[mugrat86]

I know. What he said came out wrong. He didn’t give Miller enough credit in attributing his PT over Jones being about a better attitude. But in fairness, effort (including attitude) is a big part of being a good defensive player. I think that’s what he was trying to say (Miller plays harder and Pike prefers that - especially since it’s helped us avoid getting crushed on the perimeter) but I’ll let Soho clarify.

He is the same guy who thinks Mathis should have played more last year

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Doesnt merit minutes over Mag and Hyatt, but over palm.

In addition to defense, the main issue is he looks to shoot almost always. Has not shown any offensive flow understanding or shown how to be part of the team flow. He catchs and goes into shoot first mode. Really only time he doesnt shoot is when he cant get it off-as opposed to other reasons such as working the ball to the open player. Hyatt has some of this too, but has shown a little more of the flow, and much more of D.

With the focus on movingt the ball and assists, Jones' skill set really has not merited minutes. Yes it's a concern about him leaving, and I'm sure Pike has thought of that but Mag and Hyatt definitely need to se the court first.

Palm has been playing a few minutes to spell RHJ at the 4. It has nothing whatsoever to do with him being ahead of Jones because Jones isn’t a 4.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

He is the same guy who thinks Mathis should have played more last year

I know. I know. i disagreed and challenged him all season. But this is different - Mathis was always a decent defender. He just did extremely dumb things that most of us agreed offset the positives he brought. I don’t believe he was arguing in this case that Jones should be getting time over Miller right now. Maybe I’m wrong.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Stop with this excuse that he's a Freshman. It's garbage. He's a 4 star that graduated early and got playing time last year. He's had an offseason.

Miller is playing over him and didn't have an offseason. Aiden Terry has the same amount of minutes as Jones over the last 3-4 games.

There's something else going on here and if there isn't there is no chance he is here next season. None.

He got a couple of garbage time minutes last year, you have no idea what you're talking about...

And if a player does transfer, it is good luck and root for the players who are here.....I don't have a love affair with departing players like some fans do.

The question is, what jumps have been made in Year 1, to Year 2 with Mag and even a lesser extent, even Reiber is more comfortable.

Jalen Miller is just a player who isn't afraid of contact, isn't afraid if digging in on defense, scrapping and doing the dirty work needed....Mag isn't afraid to defend or is willing to take on challenges.

It is up to Jones to do that and embrace the work on the defensive end, rebounding and other things besides shooting the basketball or playmaking.....a player who can play both ends of the floor, is what RU needs.....if Jones decides he isn't going to do that work OR maybe isn't ready at age 18 , now 19 to think about or adjust his game, then what exactly is the loss.....??

The player has to put the work in....whether here or elsewhere. Maybe he's just not ready right now to play at this type of level of physical basketball needed.

 

[Knightmoves]

The question is what Jones mindset is about going from being part of the rotation to DNPs... especially in a game like PSU where we were in desperate need of some offense

If he realizes he has a lot to work on and is OK with working in practice and developing his game and focusing on a bigger role next season with Geo and Ron gone... thats the ideal scenario. We hope it's this.

If he thinks he is better than some of the other guys and deserves to play now and is unhappy about it... in today's portal world its hard to think there isn't a slight possibility at least he looks to leave

Two different mind-sets Jones could be having

In the famous words of HC Herman Edwards “You play to Win the game”.

That’s what Pike is doing. If we could win more with Jones in there then he would be playing more.

He has not yet adjusted to the college game. Hopefully he will soon. I’m not giving up on him by a long shot at this point. Some day the light will go on IMO.

 

[Scangg]

In the famous words of HC Herman Edwards “You play to Win the game”.

That’s what Pike is doing. If we could win more with Jones in there then he would be playing more.

He has not yet adjusted to the college game. Hopefully he will soon. I’m not giving up on him by a long shot at this point. Some day the light will go on IMO.

Hes got all the physical tools. Pike should show him clips of what he looks like out there on D then clips of what Caleb looks like

 

[littlenis5]

All of this “Jones is a better offensive player than Oskar” is just speculation and not at all valid based on their roles and performance. Oskar is shooting 46% from the floor and 50% from 3 on low volume. This fits the role he’s supposed to play and is efficient. Jones is 36% and 23% and is jacking shots early in the shot clock. Why would he play more, or think he deserves to, when he also doesn’t play tough defense? Those are Jaron Griffin numbers

 

[SirPerceval]

Where is he going? Significant downgrade compared to where he is now? Why not learn defense at one of the better defensive programs out there, RU. He can be a significant contributor in the future right here

SMU, TCU, even Houston would probably take a former 4 star sophomore. You’re speaking to the choir when you say he could become a contributor here - but what we think doesn’t matter and these kids usually see things differently.

 

[RutgersDom]

Too late to redshirt. He will be our main scoring option and shot taker next year after Ron and Geo are gone. He has to stay positive and continue to work in practice. Tons of evidence of Big 10 highly touted freshman that had to wait their turn until the upperclassman graduated before it was their time. Pike is going all in on Paul and Caleb even when they struggle early. Pike went to Hyatt who hit 2 threes immediately when Paul shot the bed. He also could have used Jones. Hope it is around the corner but he will get all the playing time he wants next year.

but if he’s going to be our main scoring threat next year he NEEDS to see the floor THIS year!!!!! At least 5 minutes per game. Geez.

 

[ScarletDave]

If Jaden leaves he wouldn’t be using his brain he’s about to be handed the starting Point Guard role at a Big Ten school coming off back to back NCAA tourney-worthy seasons. I don’t think he’s thinking that at all and maybe some of you just think the sky is falling even after we win a road B1G game and you question Pikes lineups

 

[RU_DIO]

I thinks it very unlikely he’ll be here next year. He’s far from home and not playing after being a 4 star recruit - transfer portal recipe.

We've seen this happen with other players over the years and I wouldn't be shocked if it occurred. The fact he is no longer in the rotation is a bad sign.

 

[RU_DIO]

If Jaden leaves he wouldn’t be using his brain he’s about to be handed the starting Point Guard role at a Big Ten school coming off back to back NCAA tourney-worthy seasons. I don’t think he’s thinking that at all and maybe some of you just think the sky is falling even after we win a road B1G game and you question Pikes lineups

So he is completely out of the rotation right now but will be handed the starting point guard role next year???????

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Maybe he is a mid major player?

 

[S_Janowski]

Personally don’t think Miller has given any reason for us to believe he should be playing. He’s been bad defensively and nonexistent offensively. I think it’s clear his try hard attitude is a Pikiell pleasing persona that tends to get preferred treatment.

We shouldn’t be penciling him in for anything meaningful next year imo just like penciling in Jaden Jones for 10 and 4 this year because of using a ship on him in an early enrollee season was silly.

Let’s just hope he can contribute as an upperclassmen when the time comes.

I have to believe the preferred outcome next year is picking up a contributor guard in the portal to play over him. Even so I think he may have to start and we won’t be better for it.

Agree with Miller re: offensively. He basically brings nothing.

But curious how you can say he’s been bad defensively. What is that based off of?

Imo he’s been pretty solid defensively based on the games I’ve watched on tv and in person. Meanwhile Jones has been bad.

Also - something that can’t’ be measured by stats is the energy and effort Miller has brought into games vs. what Jones has brought. There have been a few occasions and games where Miller has brought some serious energy and effort to the team on the defensive side (i.e. Purdue).

Jones looks like he’s sleep walks on defensive for majority of the year. That type of effort has an impact on the team, when we are a team (and Offense) that excels and feeds off our defense.

 

[Ru-baby]

Palm has been playing a few minutes to spell RHJ at the 4. It has nothing whatsoever to do with him being ahead of Jones because Jones isn’t a 4.

The idea that Palm is a bona fide 4 and is the only one that can spell at the 4 is silly. Both he and Jones could play at the 3 or 4. Pike clearly has a choice to use Palm or Jones to spell Ron or any other players at the 3 or 4. And likley if he thought it would help he would get him minutes somewhere, so the thought that these minutes are locked into a position is just off.

 

[RUsojo]

Agree with Miller re: offensively. He basically brings nothing.

But curious how you can say he’s been bad defensively. What is that based off of?

Imo he’s been pretty solid defensively based on the games I’ve watched on tv and in person. Meanwhile Jones has been bad.

Also - something that can’t’ be measured by stats is the energy and effort Miller has brought into games vs. what Jones has brought. There have been a few occasions and games where Miller has brought some serious energy and effort to the team on the defensive side (i.e. Purdue).

Jones looks like he’s sleep walks on defensive for majority of the year. That type of effort has an impact on the team, when we are a team (and Offense) that excels and feeds off our defense.

He loses his man off ball so often switching sides of the floor and on ball fouls a lot. Early days but like you said i think the "energy" is just clouding peoples minds here. That an eternal optimism

 

[S_Janowski]

He loses his man off ball so often switching sides of the floor and on ball fouls a lot. Early days but like you said i think the "energy" is just clouding peoples minds here. That an eternal optimism

Thoughts on Jones defense this year?

 

[RUsojo]

Thoughts on Jones defense this year?

Very bad

 

[Rhuarc]

My only concern with Jones is that I feel like we haven't heard much about him flashing his potential in practice.

The last time we listened to practice reports, people started thinking that Jaden was the 3rd best scoring option on the team. Time to ditch the practice reports and just watch the games.

 

[Perricone7]

Not worrying at all about Jones at this point is just burying your head in the sand. This team is nowhere near talented enough for a solid freshman to ride the bench. Freshman have a long leash, but it’s fair to expect gradual improvement and contributions. Jones has done neither.

 

[BillyC80]

Agree with Miller re: offensively. He basically brings nothing.

But curious how you can say he’s been bad defensively. What is that based off of?

Imo he’s been pretty solid defensively based on the games I’ve watched on tv and in person. Meanwhile Jones has been bad.

Also - something that can’t’ be measured by stats is the energy and effort Miller has brought into games vs. what Jones has brought. There have been a few occasions and games where Miller has brought some serious energy and effort to the team on the defensive side (i.e. Purdue).

Jones looks like he’s sleep walks on defensive for majority of the year. That type of effort has an impact on the team, when we are a team (and Offense) that excels and feeds off our defense.

To be fair, when Miller’s in the game his job is to defend and to be the fifth scoring option, and in that role he has done pretty well, especially for a guy who inexplicably sat through our first 6 games.

In his 10 games Miller has played mostly stellar defense (yes, Fatts got by him a couple times but he smartly reached in for a non-shooting foul). He also has 3 steals and 2 blocked shots.

Offensively Miller has 5 assists and 4 turnovers which isn’t bad considering he’s a true frosh still finding his way. He’s also shooting 43% (6-14) from the floor and has 3 offensive rebounds (out of 7 total).

Just like every other newbie, the kid needs some seasoning, but I see great possibilities with him going forward.

 

[Scangg]

If Jaden leaves he wouldn’t be using his brain he’s about to be handed the starting Point Guard role at a Big Ten school coming off back to back NCAA tourney-worthy seasons. I don’t think he’s thinking that at all and maybe some of you just think the sky is falling even after we win a road B1G game and you question Pikes lineups

Jaden is not a PG

The idea that Palm is a bona fide 4 and is the only one that can spell at the 4 is silly. Both he and Jones could play at the 3 or 4. Pike clearly has a choice to use Palm or Jones to spell Ron or any other players at the 3 or 4. And likley if he thought it would help he would get him minutes somewhere, so the thought that these minutes are locked into a position is just off.

Jones can't play the 4. He would get bullied

The last time we listened to practice reports, people started thinking that Jaden was the 3rd best scoring option on the team. Time to ditch the practice reports and just watch the games.

At least he was flashing the ability in practice which points to his potential. Eventually it should transfer to games as he develops

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Jaden is not a PG

Jones can't play the 4. He would get bullied

At least he was flashing the ability in practice which points to his potential. Eventually it should transfer to games as he develops

Correct - Jones cannot defend a 4 or even be relied on to be the guy to make a big earn his points at the line right now. He doesn’t hustle back on defense. At least he hasn’t so far. That’s why he hasn’t played. When it if that changes he will play.

 

[Russ Wood]

In a way it’s really not up to Pike whether Jaden plays, it’s up to Jaden. Put in the effort, become a willing and hard-working defender, and the PT will come.

This guy gets it!

 

[Ru-baby]

Is he quick enough at the 3?

that hes limited to the 3 and not the 4 is wasay overthinking. Hes struggling all over but position is not the isdue

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I hope he surprises, but my internal expectations have him not being any more than a minor contributor to the program. Same as Dean or Oskar or Eugene 5 years ago.

 

[rob kight]

If Pike believes Jones has a high probability of reaching his potential, he must have a plan to bring him along and have private conversations with him. Pike would be foolish to chase away a 4 star that has a good probability of success. It’s not like we have a long line of 4 stars waiting to sign up.
If I remember right Myles redshirted freshman year because he wasn’t quite ready. If Jones’ probability is low, then who cares. I personally hope it’s the former and next year is a breakout year for him. He would be tough to guard at his size.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

It is about the D. Pike's system will take time to learn.. and maybe a more developed body. Jones is still lanky.. he will fill out... imho he needs to play.. lower/wider on D.. guys get around him pretty easy... and Pike's D is about denying lanes and denying penetration..

Jones has a big upside. He will get there.

wider/lower like this...

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He may have upside, but probably not in our system. Love to be wrong here. The bar for 10 minutes of PT is real low right now

 

[Ray6232010]

Oskar and Jaden play different positions.

Jaden played in too many games to redshirt.

Jaden doesn’t defend yet. He will learn.

Neither does Paul defend

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Neither does Paul defend

There is a difference here. Paul is limited athletically but he does defend and gives maximum effort. Yes, he will also lose his man occasionally but he is aware of what is going on in front of him and hustles his butt off. I see none of that with Jones.

Nevertheless, you can’t tell me that as a freshman on an offensively-limited team that Jones doesn’t at least deserve the time that Palmquist gets. Something else is going on here.

 

[SKnight00]

Neither does Paul defend

So you’re saying we played 4 on 5 for defense for 39 minutes against Iowa? I don’t think so.

Paul is no Caleb, but he most certainly does defend.

 

[rtabachk]

Oskar and Jaden play different positions.

Jaden played in too many games to redshirt.

Jaden doesn’t defend yet. He will learn.

Jaden will learn yes but at a different school next year in my opinion.

 

[Westcoast]

Not true.Jones wae supposed to be one of the best shooters preseason and during the scrimmages.Why he is getting little or no minutes on a team that needs scoring from the bench is a mystery.

Its not a mystery.

 

[Ray6232010]

So you’re saying we played 4 on 5 for defense for 39 minutes against Iowa? I don’t think so.

Paul is no Caleb, but he most certainly does defend.

BS Bro watch the games without blinders on NAME A PG THAT HE CAN KEEP IN FRONT OF HIM

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

BS Bro watch the games without blinders on NAME A PG THAT HE CAN KEEP IN FRONT OF HIM

Paul’s d is much better this year.

 

[Scangg]

Paul is much improved defensively and the effort is always there

 

[Scangg]

BS Bro watch the games without blinders on NAME A PG THAT HE CAN KEEP IN FRONT OF HIM

When is Paul guarding the others team's PG? He wasn't today.