The real compromise is Hall and RU playing every game at a neutral site for the balance of the contract and splitting the gate.
Yeah, the seton hall game was like a program defining moment that season. Let’s not act like it wasn’t a big game for us
Without Ron and Geo they are clearly better. If our guys come back it is debatable to me. Lack of the front court concerns me greatly. I also think losing Young is really tough to replace.
Bowling Green, Drake, Townsend don’t have a better head to head record in the series, more NCAA teams, conference titles etc. Like it or not for the past 30 years Seton Hall has been the better program.
So RU should give up a home game because SHU didn’t want to host a game when they couldn’t make money? F*** that. If they were so worried about attendance, they could’ve reached out to our athletic department and worked something out.
Yeah it really helped Seton Hall and hurt Rutgers last season lol
You're saying this as if we were any sort of a lock for the ncaa tournament before the last game of the year. When you barely nudge in as a ten seed, you should probably bolster your schedule. The bubble was extremely weak this year. That's not the norm and it should not be relied on.
SHU decided to cancel? So you're saying RU was all good with playing @SHU on December 13th and @Maryland on December 14th?
You’re not wrong. I doubt if Pike wants to play it anyway. Still, I’d rather we not give in to them.
Everything I read and heard was the Pirates dodged Rutgers last year. Is that not the case?
It's the narrative RU's pushing for sure. Both sides have their own version of events and I'm sure reality is somehwere in the middle. The game's oriniginally contracted date was made impossible by both the B1G and BE moving up the start of conference play (including RU @ Maryland the next day). With that date off the table (through no fault of either school), it was a matter of trying to mutually agree on a make-up date, something that clearly didn't happen. It sounds like both coaches were (and still are for next year) stubbornly trying to get it played on their own terms and with neither willing to give in, it didn't happen at all.
Did we make it? Did Seton Hall make it? So it definitely didn’t work to Seton Hall’s advantage. You’re also forgetting we had Baylor on the schedule before it was cancelled. I don’t get why when everybody looks to strengthen the schedule they immediately point to this game. There are other schools out there. We don’t need this game.
I bet they will back out if they don’t get a home game. They’re acting as if their school is above ours and they should dictate the terms. That’s not happening. The contract has a set schedule. If they don’t like it, cancel the game. We’ll keep the trophy.
The date is important because the contract was tied to it. If that date was still possible, RU could have enforced the contract and had the game played on December 13th whether SHU liked it or not. That's what happened in all those other cases in which the rivalry games were played. But if you're gonna put narrative over facts, there's not much else to say.
Rutgers was scheduled to play Maryland on the 14th. Seton Hall was scheduled to play St. John’s on the 11th and Xavier on the 15th. Rutgers kept the 6th open so the game wouldn’t have any effect on either team’s performances in conference play and made it known to Seton Hall. Then SHU scheduled a game at Penn State on the 6th. The game was off. Now Seton Hall wants to use force majeure as the reason the game wasn’t played? I don’t buy it.
Wouldn't be foolish to end series if Seton Hall canceled thir home game and expects RU to honor a contract the Pirates already broken.
I'm no insider so I can't say for sure, but I would imagine that the contract is amended to add the dates as they're finalized. While revenue was part of it, I think it was a small part. Ultimately, SHU ended up with 2 games that needed to be rescheduled and both opponents wanted to play on the same date. Given the "no fans" situation, wouldn't it have been rather foolish to prioritize the home game? Regardless of opponent? I mean if there was ever a year when it was more beneficial to play on the road than at home, it was last year. The area where I do believe that SHU was in the wrong was regarding communication. Pike at least deserved a heads up that they're going with the PSU game rather than finding out through the press release like everyone else. And ultimately that lack of communication sounds like the reason why the game was scrapped rather than moving on to finding another date.
What’s weak is them not holding up to their end of the bargain.
So true:
Yup, Temple, Johnnies, G'town, plenty of solid options for replacing shu that would pack the RAC. SJU would be wild with Mathis coming back in his Red storm (lol) uniform. I'd love the shu series rivalry to continue but RU does not and should not allow shu to dictate terms.
And we would've gotten our doors blown off by Baylor. Shu is a winnable ooc game. My point was not whether we made it last year. My point was that the bubble was extremely weak, and in a year with a strong bubble, or even an average bubble, we very well may not have made the tournament. We need a stronger ooc schedule against solid but beatable opponents. Shu fits that bill AND they're local AND it's a rivalry.
I went to RU when they plastered us by 40 during the Dehere years and always felt we are a superior academic school and they were second rate so it did/does not bother me. We are now BIG and they are Big Least. They are not relevant and they need us more than we need them at this point.
