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NealPageNJ said:
The ones see huge issues are in places like Georgia where there are no face mask requirements.
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The Cherokee County schools have a "huge issue" yet, but it is possible. They had several students and staff test positive so they used contact tracing to quarantine students and close classrooms. A few schools have been closed by the district because of the high % of students being placed in quarantine.

We don't know yet how many other students/staff may have caught the virus from those came to school while infected. Until that happens, I wouldn't say that Georgia has "huge issues" or has been a disaster. If it turns out only a handful of others that were exposed test positive, and those cases are relatively mild, it is not a disaster. If it turns out a very large number of students are determined to have caught the virus in school and some of those students have bad long-term consequences, that's a different matter.

I live in a neighboring county. Our schools reopened today, 100% online. There is no announced timeline yet on when we might open the buildings again.
 
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hoochie302 said:
I have 3 classes of 30 students and one with 17.
One private school near me is limiting students to 10 per room. Making it work both complicated and dangerous.
Its crazy that pro football players are getting paid to choose not to play when teachers will still put in 50-60 hours a week and get crap for it.
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100% agree. Said it before. When this began we had parents praising teachers. Now the same teachers are being asked to put their health and that of their families on the line, take pay cuts etc etc.... The amount of time, effort and $ this summer my wife has put into expanding her knowledge of virtual learning is crazy. What is even crazier is two weeks out and she still is not sure if she will be teaching 100% virtually. Her district is doing an AB AB schedule as well as giving the parents the option of keeping their kids home. So far we have numerous families deciding to keep the kids home. These parents are doing this for many reason. It is not only for the child’s safety. They also are realizing school will not look the same as it once was. Most schools are not offering lunch/recess. Kids have to wear a mask all day. Science class and many others will look much different as no one is allowed to share equipment. Water fountains closed, students will be limited using the bathrooms. Teachers not allowed to share pencils, papers etc etc.....
Ask any teacher would they rather go back to teach in the school like they did pre COVID? Absolutely yes, that is the reason why they choose the profession.
 
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tom1944 said:
RUBird I agree with you. Going back to school so we get back to normal is not happening. There is a new normal at least for the immediate future.
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My wife and I are in the same district. She is a special ed. teacher at the high school and I am a 1 on 1 aide. I doubt I will know the student(s) I have until opening day in two weeks as so many parents are opting their kids out. She and I had similar experiences with virtual learning. Some of her better students did not do well with virtual, they seemed to not handle change well. Others who you would have thought would bomb with virtual did very very well. Many of those students usually struggle transitioning from class to class. Working from home they could literally jump out of bed and be ready for class. Some thrived and looked at it like a challenge.
As an aide I really worry as to what school with bring. So often we are asked to sit directly with the student, modeling behavior. Not sure how I can do this either behind plexiglass or being socially distanced from the students,
Best of luck to you. Hope you have a good school year.
 
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In my district a big problem is special ed classes for younger children. A large percentage of parents have gotten medical exemptions from a doctor so their kids don't have to wear a mask. So now those teachers will be going into a setting where the students are not going to be able to maintain social distancing or have a face barrier for the spread of germs. I honestly don't know what I would do in this situation. It's a true no win and sounds pretty dangerous.
 
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Rhuarc said:
In my district a big problem is special ed classes for younger children. A large percentage of parents have gotten medical exemptions from a doctor so their kids don't have to wear a mask. So now those teachers will be going into a setting where the students are not going to be able to maintain social distancing or have a face barrier for the spread of germs. I honestly don't know what I would do in this situation. It's a true no win and sounds pretty dangerous.
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Some of those classes also have a percentage of higher-risk kids with physical conditions in the mix too.

No easy answers.
 
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RuBird said:
My wife and I are in the same district. She is a special ed. teacher at the high school and I am a 1 on 1 aide. I doubt I will know the student(s) I have until opening day in two weeks as so many parents are opting their kids out. She and I had similar experiences with virtual learning. Some of her better students did not do well with virtual, they seemed to not handle change well. Others who you would have thought would bomb with virtual did very very well. Many of those students usually struggle transitioning from class to class. Working from home they could literally jump out of bed and be ready for class. Some thrived and looked at it like a challenge.
As an aide I really worry as to what school with bring. So often we are asked to sit directly with the student, modeling behavior. Not sure how I can do this either behind plexiglass or being socially distanced from the students,
Best of luck to you. Hope you have a good school year.
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Question, how do special ed and kids that have IEP’s receive these services in a remote learning environment?
 
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Knightmoves said:
Question, how do special ed and kids that have IEP’s receive these services in a remote learning environment?
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Similar to if they were in school. My wife makes adjustment on tests and assignments. Students are given extra time to complete class work. At the high school level they built in student prep time. Any student whether they have an IEP or not can set up one on one meetings with her. She found that time extremely helpful. Also case workers meet regularly with the teachers and their assigned students to make sure everyone is one the same page. Aides, like myself, are assigned to the student and meet with them virtually.
Would we all rather be safely in school? Absolutely, with that said I am proud of my district for what we have accomplished during these times.
 
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This will unfortunately expedite the move towards the replacement of teachers by advanced AI learning systems going forward, at least in the public school domain.
 
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Rhuarc said:
In my district a big problem is special ed classes for younger children. A large percentage of parents have gotten medical exemptions from a doctor so their kids don't have to wear a mask. So now those teachers will be going into a setting where the students are not going to be able to maintain social distancing or have a face barrier for the spread of germs. I honestly don't know what I would do in this situation. It's a true no win and sounds pretty dangerous.
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So just like Donnie wasn't a fan of Vietnam , a lot of teachers are not a fan of the Rona and are taking deferments
 
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RuBird said:
Similar to if they were in school. My wife makes adjustment on tests and assignments. Students are given extra time to complete class work. At the high school level they built in student prep time. Any student whether they have an IEP or not can set up one on one meetings with her. She found that time extremely helpful. Also case workers meet regularly with the teachers and their assigned students to make sure everyone is one the same page. Aides, like myself, are assigned to the student and meet with them virtually.
Would we all rather be safely in school? Absolutely, with that said I am proud of my district for what we have accomplished during these times.
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So the IEP and special needs kids are getting remote assistance, but not face to face assistance?

I honestly believe that this will not work for the special needs students. Teachers won’t come back until a proven vaccine is working. We could lose the entire 20-21 school year to remote learning imo.

I feel sorry for the K-12 students, not the teachers.
 
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Oh great.

More “work” from home where I’m juggling explaining assignments to the 8 year old while keeping the 4 year old at bay.

I know teachers don’t have it easy either.

Just venting.
 
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Knightmoves said:
So the IEP and special needs kids are getting remote assistance, but not face to face assistance?

I honestly believe that this will not work for the special needs students. Teachers won’t come back until a proven vaccine is working. We could lose the entire 20-21 school year to remote learning imo.

I feel sorry for the K-12 students, not the teachers.
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As of now our district has a hybrid plan. If the special ed student is in school, nothing changes other than keeping social distance. If their parents choose virtual I explained how that will be handled, just like we did it with success Since March.
Regarding your belief that teachers won’t come back. Every single teacher in my district is coming back. I am sure we are not the only ones. Not looking for you to feel sorry for us at all. Just understand when you post things like “we could lose the entire school year and teachers won’t come back” you are wrong. Stop with the blanket statements. Will some teachers in districts not come back? Sure. With that said we have already seen, healthcare workers leave their profession, athletes walk away this year etc etc...... Not really sure why you are targeting teachers?
 
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Shell21 said:
The ventilation issue is a huge issue in most if not all schools . Schools in like 95 percent or more of the state are older buildings that have horrible systems that rarely function properly . Our rooms are usually like a sauna or freezing .
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And yet, it may very well be air conditioning that leads to more efficient spread of the virus indoors...so your "poor HVAC system" in the old schools may be a net health benefit
 
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Kids need to be in school, at least in a hybrid fashion. Remote learning did not work last school year and many districts still do not have the technology to make it work. Many products school districts need to deliver a good remote learning experience are on back order. Plus, many students home networks are unreliable and most students(and many parents) do not have the skills to fix problems that come up with their technology when schooling from home.
 
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RU_DIO said:
Kids need to be in school, at least in a hybrid fashion. Remote learning did not work last school year and many districts still do not have the technology to make it work. Many products school districts need to deliver a good remote learning experience are on back order. Plus, many students home networks are unreliable and most students(and many parents) do not have the skills to fix problems that come up with their technology when schooling from home.
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Every teacher agrees with everything you typed.
 
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Newark is going 100% virtual.This ensures the kids in these school districts won't learn anything this year.
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Same could be said in every school that goes virtual.

Kids won't learn jack, many will cheat.

Kids will miss out on vital socialization too.

Their development is being stunted due to politics.
 
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https://www.app.com/story/news/educ...nges-course-start-school-remotely/3390521001/
LONG BRANCH – After requests from parents for remote instruction "skyrocketed," the district has changed course and will start the school year with all-remote learning.
The district made its decision public late Monday afternoon. Superintendent Michael Salvatore said the change of plans was a result of Gov. Phil's Murphy order that gave schools the option of offering all-remote instruction in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Salvatore said since Murphy's order, requests from parents and staff to start all-remote has "skyrocketed". Salvatore said the families of 3,200 students and 275 staff members have asked to start the school year at home.
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Not surprising at all.
 
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https://www.app.com/story/news/educ...nges-course-start-school-remotely/3390521001/
LONG BRANCH – After requests from parents for remote instruction "skyrocketed," the district has changed course and will start the school year with all-remote learning.
The district made its decision public late Monday afternoon. Superintendent Michael Salvatore said the change of plans was a result of Gov. Phil's Murphy order that gave schools the option of offering all-remote instruction in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Salvatore said since Murphy's order, requests from parents and staff to start all-remote has "skyrocketed". Salvatore said the families of 3,200 students and 275 staff members have asked to start the school year at home.
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Not surprising at all.
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But but @vkj91 said every parent he knows wants their kids in school, and that no one was falling for the charade anymore.
 
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Greg2020 said:
But but @vkj91 said every parent he knows wants their kids in school, and that no one was falling for the charade anymore.
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Anecdotally I am hearing some significant distrust of how other parents will behave. A number of parents believe other parents will not take the necessary steps to protect everyone else. They think they will send their kids to school even if the child is or might be carrying the virus.
 
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tom1944 said:
Anecdotally I am hearing some significant distrust of how other parents will behave. A number of parents believe other parents will not take the necessary steps to protect everyone else. They think they will send their kids to school even if the child is or might be carrying the virus.
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They undoubtedly will. Parents do this all the time with other illnesses, sending kids in who have no place being there. They go so far as to give kids tylenol to mask the fever.

Just looking around this thread and board at how many people think kids need to go back like normal, largely so parents can get back to work more conveniently, you know it'll happen.
 
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tom1944 said:
Anecdotally I am hearing some significant distrust of how other parents will behave. A number of parents believe other parents will not take the necessary steps to protect everyone else. They think they will send their kids to school even if the child is or might be carrying the virus.
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They will. Many on the board say players should still play in sports games if they don't have symptoms but are positive.
 
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Greg2020 said:
nope but it's the feelings of at least some parents in every town across the state, if not country.
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Find the post where @vkj91 said "every parent." I did a search and found none. @vkj91 and I don't always agree, but he is a solid poster who backs up his positions. You make some good posts once in a while, but often you are flying by the seat of your pants, winging it, and throwing out whataboutisms.
 
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Find the post where @vkj91 said "every parent." I did a search and found none. @vkj91 and I don't always agree, but he is a solid poster who backs up his positions. You make some good posts once in a while, but often you are flying by the seat of your pants, winging it, and throwing out whataboutisms.
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It’s what they do. Make crap up and whatabiutism’s. I rarely post in absolutes, I’m not that full of myself. That’s why they won’t post examples, there probably aren’t any. However, I find it amazing that they can’t see the BS behind the follow the science argument hypocrisy
 
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Find the post where @vkj91 said "every parent." I did a search and found none. @vkj91 and I don't always agree, but he is a solid poster who backs up his positions. You make some good posts once in a while, but often you are flying by the seat of your pants, winging it, and throwing out whataboutisms.
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Damn good thing you are the arbiter of what solid and what's not
 
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