Yes.
A single bomb doing such damage. They believed the US had many more bombs. The shock and advancement of the bomb gave Japan a "noble" and "honorable" way to surrender. Dropping the bomb saved lives.
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A single bomb doing such damage. They believed the US had many more bombs. The shock and advancement of the bomb gave Japan a "noble" and "honorable" way to surrender. Dropping the bomb saved lives.
Honest question, Dr. Worm. None of us can really know what was in the heart of every stakeholder with decision-making power in Japan, in August 1945. If not the atomic bombs, what do you attribute the sudden surrender to? Given that they had long-realized that they couldn't win the war (this is not disputed), do you believe the theory you pointed out (but did not necessarily endorse) in your post: that Soviet military action thousands of miles away against a weakened outpost on the Asian mainland was the preeminent factor?
I don't know any better than anybody else, but I don't believe that is the most sensible answer...
My father was on Saipan and tinian the island the Abomb was kept. I still have a pamphlet ‘welcome to the marianas’ abt what to expect from the native ppl and what their customs were. He would talk abt some crazy stuff- heads on bamboo sticks, necklaces made of ears. He hated the japs/ good thing he was in the pacific theatre-our next door neighbor was a German pow lol, woulda been a lifelong brawl.
The shear size of Russia and resulting over extended German supply lines doomed the German invasion. Another major contributing factor was Germany’s lack of gasoline to fuel its tanks. Also, if were not for the US’s aide, Russia would not have possessed trucks to transport its military. The United States aid gave Russia a tremendous advantage in fighting the Germans.
Japan surrendered because the Emperor had seen enough and that his people were doomed particularly from the terrible carnage caused by the fire bombings and nuclear weapons.
Japan surrendered because the Emperor had seen enough and that his people were doomed particularly from the terrible carnage caused by the fire bombings and nuclear weapons.
why didn’t we round up German Americans and put them into concentration camps?
Here is what I think:
The Japanese knew they couldn't win a military victory. But they believed they could win a war of attrition. They firmly believed that their willingness to withstand losses far exceeded ours. They dug in and waited for the inevitable invasion, in which they would kill a whole lot of Americans. Eventually the Americans would tire of it and negotiate a peace satisfactory to Japan.
The massive American bombing, both conventional and atomic, did not negate this objective. The USSR's entry into the war did.
Racism/xenophobia, I think. Don't have any other explanation. By the 1940's, German-Americans were just plain Americans. Japanese-Americans were not.
I think a large part of the answer is simple racism: German-Americans blended in, while Japanese Americans did not.
I will preface my next comments by saying that the internment was shameful and un-American. But going back to December 1941, another part of the answer is that the Germans did not demonstrate the ability to sneak across a huge ocean undetected and obliterate our navy, with (this part is disputed, but I think it's what the FDR administration believed at the time) the alleged assistance of Japanese-American spotters in Hawaii. Fear of a west coast attack was rampant after Pearl Harbor, and the coast went on high alert.
As I said, I think it was a disgrace when viewed in any context, now or then, but there was a lot of terror in the air at the time. Nobody knew what the Japanese were going to do next. They seemed invincible.
Obviously this is all my opinion based on what I've read about the period, and I realize that it's not going to be a popular one.
Fair answer. I never thought of it that way (which seems dumb of me now, ha ha)
This is factual true but you sound like someone who is quoting Oliver Stone.
One of my grandfathers was a marine who lost his leg in iwo gima. The other was a navy pilot in the pacific, but refused to talk about his service. I don’t buy the 1.5 million fatality estimate.
To date, WWII is the only time a nuclear weapons have been used in warfare. The weapons were used on civilian populations. A non elected president made the decision to drop two nuclear bombs on civilian populations 4 months after taking office and 7 months after becoming VP. Winners write history and his 1.5 million lost in an invasion is now accepted as doctrine. Crazy ****.
A small number actually were though, like the Japanese, they were internment camps not concentration camps. Two reasons why the rest weren't. First, there probably 6-8 million German-Americans and many had married non-Germans. Second, racism.
Let's not forget Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Russia and Germany, in which they divided up Poland. Then Russia went right ahead and gobbled up the Baltic States and parts of Finland and Romania. So I shed no tears for the Russians.
That was genius of Stalin to make that treaty. Up until Germany invaded Poland the allies did squat about German aggression. They complained about it and did nothing.
Well the only thing Stalin did was purge the Red Army of most of it's competent leadership. And he didn't even complain about German aggression.
The end result of a concentration camp is the intentional death of it's inmates. Not so for an internment camp.
For those who condemn the use atomic weapons against Japan, would you have been willing as part of the invasion force to put your *** on the line in the invasion? Would you want your brothers, children and grandchildren to risk their lives in the invasion? It’s easy to sit back and second guess the decision to drop the bombs when you and your family are not the ones putting their lives on the line and otherwise enduring the abject horrors of war.
Is that your own definition, or is it published somewhere. All my googling suggests they are one and the same, just when gi joe does it to a bunch of tojos, we simply prefer “internment”.
Nice try but I can’t buy into your logic. We are debating the issue from the U.S. perspective, and not the Japanese perspective.
Well if you want to equate the internment camps the Japanese-Americans were sent to to Auschwitz, Treblinca or Dachau feel free. Everybody has the right to be wrong.
I don't think there's any difference, linguistically speaking. The term "concentration" came about because the purpose was to "concentrate" a specific population in specific places. I don't see any distinction between that and an "internment" camp, nor have I ever seen anybody really trying to make one.
But we all know there is a huge difference between the camps we put the Japanese-Americans in (typically called "internment camps"), and the ones the Germans put Jews in for systematic extermination (typically called "concentration camps"). I don't see the point of trying to equate them, except for propaganda purposes. Nobody believes that FDR was trying to exterminate Japanese-Americans.
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we didn’t operate death camps (that we know of) but those were certainly concentration camps by any accepted definition.
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What he is trying to equate is a an internment camp with Auschwitz, which had a capacity of 200k, received 1.3 million and murdered 1.1 million. In other words, the camp murdered 5X it's capacity during it's operations.
The Dr. Fauci of American history strikes again. Always wrong. Can't believe some on this board actually argue with you with logic and facts - they just don'
t understand that will never work with the "Worm"
Yes, and I think it's bogus to try to do so, as you do.
As wrong as it was, the purpose of the internment (or concentration of, as KingHigh prefers) of Japanese-Americans was military: to get them way from the coasts, where, it was feared (irrationally or not) that they would aid attacks by Japan.
The only reason to try to equate them with what the Germans did, as you are saying, is for propaganda purposes.
Thanks for sticking up for me, but I found the comparison to Dr. Fauci quite flattering. Unmerited to be sure, but flattering nonetheless.
Concentration, internment, and extermination camps are termed that are often used loosely and often conflated. German extermination camps are often called concentration camps, although they had camps that used forced labor (often to death) and others that actively killed people. Clearly the 10 internment centers like Manzanar were nothing like the German camps. Still, not a proud moment for the US.
My point overall is that the bomb would not have been dropped on a white country just as a white immigrant group, however loathed by Americans, would never end up in a concentration camp here. It’s not a coincidence or mere happenstance is all I’m saying.
That’s cool if you want to believe that, and maybe you are right. But I don’t think you have made a case for your point, nor have you refuted any of the reasons offered in this thread so far as to why those things were done to the Japanese but not the Germans.
Plan on visiting there in October and going to spend a night on Corregidor in December on my way back to the US for Christmas.
Actually, I was just sticking up for the truth. Good job by you.
The fire bombing of Tokyo killed about 100,000 Japanese; Nagasaki was 80,000; Hiroshima 140,000, Did it matter to the victims whether they were incinerated by napalm or a nuclear blast ? Japan was in deep **** even without the atomic bomb. With complete US air superiority and and endless amount of bombers and bombs, Japan's total destruction was an inevitability. I don't think an invasion was actually necessary. Curtis LeMay would have bombed them into the Stone Age
We DID! However, cases were evaluated individually and only a small number were interned.
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