The US did round up some German and Italian Americans. It's a shame our history books leave out the complete story. They were treated much more fairly than Japanese Americans however.
OT: Hiroshima 75 Years Ago
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We had people who could interview and translate German POW’s. Many of them were Jews who escaped and went back to fight against the tyranny. We had few or no translators for Japanese who spied on us and surprise attacked us killing many. They bombed the hospitals in Pearl Harbor as we were trying to rescue wounded. During the battle of the Phillipines they killed between 100k and 240k Phillipines civilians. They mistreated their POW’s. They were not well liked during these war years. It was the right decision.
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We’d of A Bombed Berlin in a heart beat if It saved 100s of thousands of young Americans lives.
Is their a difference between a camp that starves, kills and beats you, and one that doesn’t....duh
The Japanese were brutal in their treatment of prisoners.
From an article I read about POWs in WW II.
According to the findings of the Tokyo Tribunal, the death rate of Western prisoners was 27.1%, seven times that of POWs under the Germans and Italians.
I plan on visiting the River Kwai sight in October. It's estimated that 13,000 prisoners died just at that site alone.
From an article I read about POWs in WW II.
According to the findings of the Tokyo Tribunal, the death rate of Western prisoners was 27.1%, seven times that of POWs under the Germans and Italians.
I plan on visiting the River Kwai sight in October. It's estimated that 13,000 prisoners died just at that site alone.
I worked with senior citizens recreational centers at Branch Brook Park, Newark in the mid 90s...
The numerous WW 2 vets did not take kindly to the celebration of Japanese culture during The Cherry Blossom Festival.
It was their experiences that shaped their thoughts...
They had every right to feel anyway they wanted.
The numerous WW 2 vets did not take kindly to the celebration of Japanese culture during The Cherry Blossom Festival.
It was their experiences that shaped their thoughts...
They had every right to feel anyway they wanted.
I agree with most of what you say but the American people were tired of war in 1945. Also the only way that we could have defeated Communism would have been invasion of both the USSR and the Chinese mainland.
A quick look at history shows that there haven't been many examples of success doing that
Would the world have been better of if both Stalin and Mao were defeated? Absolutely but it was going to happen then. At the end of the war we had a total of 2,000,000 serve in the European theater. The Russians had 29,000,000. Subtract casualties and they still had well over 22,000,00 under arms in 1945.
That's ********. Truman dropped the bomb because the military leadership had estimated we would incur ~600K casualties trying to take Japan by conventional means. Also, they were not sure how long it would take as taking Okinawa had shown how the Japanese would battle to the death instead of surrendering. Finally, Truman was facing the prospect of waning support for the war at home, particularly after Germany had surrendered. All of that added up to the possibility that we could not get Japan to surrender. And we could not leave them there as they could possibly rearm and become aggressive again in the Eastern Pacific. So we dropped the bombs on the bluff that we could do that to every city in Japan.
Well we wouldn't have dropped the bomb on Germany if our army or the Soviet Army were anywhere near the vicinity. But you have no basis, just your own personal assumption that it would not have been used if the Normandy landings hadn't taken place.
I'll say one thing about which I'm quite confident, Churchill would have pushed HARD to use it.
Yep. If Germany had invaded earlier they could have taken Moscow, which would have changed the whole tenor of the war.
That's incorrect. The atomic blasts killed 70-80K in Hiroshima, 35-40K in Nagaski.
This was Mussolini's fault. The Italians totally screwed up the invasion Greece and Hitler had to pull his nuts out of the fire. Hitler needed to secure his southern flank before Barbarossa. The few weeks that were used on Greece led to a later date for the invasion and cost the Germans come winter.
The usual suspects make great effort to paint the US as a bad actor with little or no support. I'm sure in another 100 years (maybe less) the academics will teach that Japan is owed reparations for our use of the A-bomb. Self loathing lot.
Your Dad had to be a few years older than me,so I am presuming that he is gone. Sorry for that.Did he ever tell you where he did his Basic Training? I did mine at BTC #10 in Greensboro,NC.I had never heard of the town before then. NOW,my oldest Daughter lives just a few miles from there.
Yes, he passed in February, 2010. He was at a base in Alabama, then in West Texas. I can't remember either of their names.
He wanted to join when he was 17, but his mom wouldn't sign the papers. A friend of his in HS did join, was rushed through pilot's training because they didn't have enough, and was shot down and killed in his first mission in Europe. By the time my dad joined they had a logjam, so that's why he never got to the front lines before they dropped the bomb.
De JaVu.That same log jam kept me from finishing my Bombadier Training.That place in Texas might have been Big Spring.I was there at one time.
For a while I was wondering whether I had inadvertently stumbled onto a North Korean reeducation web site.
That we know of? I'd love to see any evidence, ANY EVIDENCE !!!!!!, of the US operating death camps.[/QUOTE]
If we don't know of them, we don't have evidence.
That was a comment by Kings High ("that we know of") I responded to. I'll wait for him to show a scintilla of evidence that such camps existed. Otherwise it's just a BS allegation.
Remember Thanksgiving when that one nephew got to sit at the big table for the first time after a semester of college?
Well, China was in Civil war.. we would have just needed to tip the balance to Chiang Kai Shek and China would have been spared Mao's purges.
I did mention the desire to fight in my previous message. You are correct, it would have been a tough to impossible sell. As for numbers, we would have had to turn out the Europeans to fight against their occupiers.. including Germany.. yikes. There might also have been plenty of Russian who might want to fight against Stalin and his oppression as long as it wasn't to become slaves to Germans.
It was not something we could do all of a sudden at the end of the war. We would have had to have planned for it all along. And that probably would have included making a choice as to how far we'd help Russia defeat Germany.
I'm thinking now of the Iran-Iraq war. We were okay with them killing eachother.. but we wanted neither to lose. Had one side been victorious, two moderate problems would have become one HUGE problem. Maybe that is something we learned from the end of WWII.
As for the general topic of casualties and so on.. don't forget the firebombing campaigns did a lot of damage. The Tokyo firebombing devasted a city made largely of wood. Killed over 100K people. Dresden maybe 25K. I remember reading about "bat bombs" which were never deployed but were tested and were effective. The USA was going to try it against Japan. And Japan used balloon bombs.. hydrogen balloons carrying incendiaries where they hoped the entire forested northwest would be set ablaze... and later that wanted balloons to carry over THE PLAGUE.
Nuking them was reasonable.. not very nice.. but reasonable.
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The west Texas base might well have been Dalhart Army Air Base, which was where my dad trained on B29s before being deployed. The base’s main function at that time was B29 training.
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That actually sounds familiar, and fits in with his training on B-29's.
My uncle, after flying 56 B-17 missions as a pilot out of North Africa and winning a DFC, became a B-29 flight instructor. He was based in either Dalhart or Kirkland, NM. Only thing I heard about was the belly landing they did once when the landing gear failed. He wasn't a big talker about his military experience.
So you're saying we dropped the bomb on Japan and not Germany for racist reasons? You seriously can't believe what you just wrote and if you do, your education has failed you.
Wrong. You think the Soviets didn't plan for that eventuality? It was about oil/gasoline. The Germans had enough gas reserves for about 6 months offensive operations. Their intelligence of Russian army & reserves grossly underestimated what they were up against. If they didn't capture the oil fields in Russia in the first campaign, and Russia still had many intact armies, it was game over. At that point they could no longer use blitzkreig tactics to encircle newly formed units. The Soviets mobilised very quickly and the Germans could not match the sheer volume of units.
Lots of guys with PHD’s in History here and family members who served but the vast majority of you loud mouths never served a minute in the US Military.
And does that change the accuracy of the facts we present?
With an extra month they would have captured either Moscow or the oil fields. It was also an extra month that the Soviets would have been unable to throw the reserve armies into the fight. They were still stationed in the Far East worried about Japan. It wasn't until the fall that Soviet intelligence discovered they had plans elsewhere.
My point is that most of your guys are career suburban blowhard know it alls who never did **** but read books or watch it on TV.
Oh, jeez, I wish we could all be as great as you. You likely lack the IQ to understand what you read or watch. Great contribution by the way. You added a lot.
And if the facts we present are accurate, so what? I think your accusing me of being a blowhard is BS, but even if it were true the issue at hand are the facts and their accuracy. And you lose on that one.
What are you even talking about here? Makes no sense. You have made it abundantly clear that you see racism in everything. Must be a terrible way to go thru life. You foolishly indicated that it was for racist reasons we bombed Japan and not Germany and were proven an idiot. Try reading a book.
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