Speaking of slow builds, has the lacrosse team made NCAAs yet? It has been 15+ years.
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No, got absolutely screwed twice though under Brecht. If only there was a bowl system where 6-6 teams get selected. We'd be in every year.
In fact, football was afraid there might not be enough bowl team, even letting some in a 5-7.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...t-shortage-of-bowl-eligible-teams-since-2015/
We need to be part of the bowl system. Very quickly.
Actually it’s an appropriate word to describe the fans, alumni, etc who were pounding for Greg schiano. They are baby boomers not current high school players or many Hs coaches for that matter.
Greg will struggle this year sure but so would nick Saban. His recruiting class for 2021 will be a better barometer of performance than any results on the field. With as much of an uphill battle this job has become if he gets us bowling by year 3 I’ll gladly eat crow. If we are still a 3-4 win team in year 3 of schiano though which I expect that’s about the time I’ll be on him about on field results
As a matter of fact, didn't a leader of one of the NJ HS football coaches associations make a public statement in favor of bringing Schiano back? Oh wait, he's probably a boomer,
All the alumni who were at Rutgers when Greg was the head coach are NOT baby boomers. WTF are you talking about?
Navy won 3 last year, and it was the first time since 2011 they weren't bowl eligible. Besides, Navy is a much different animal. Also, Oregon only won 4 games in 2016, three seasons ago, and it too was a one year aberration from a nine year string of winning 9+ games/year, mostly 10+, including a BCS title game berth in 2010 under Kelly and a 2014 Rose Bowl win and CFP appearance under Helfrich. You should know this, living in Pac12 land. It's disingenuous to pretend Oregon, two years removed from a 13 win CFP appearance season, needed the type of rebuild we are looking at here.
I never said they had the exact rebuild. Point is there are more avenues to get ready made players than when Schiano was here. We are in a great conference. Our facilities, while not great compared to peers, are suitable. The program has been funded more than ever before in every way. Times change and expectations do too. If we win 3 games in year 3 this is a failure.
Wisconsin is a better football program. On a scale of 10, Rutgers is a one and Wisconsin is an 8 over the last 4 years. Academically, Wisconsin is better too. Berger was apparently smitten with Wisconsin from the moment he set foot on that campus.
Just need to be real about who this coach really is. Next yr the state will get cherry picked on too. Keep them expectations modest
Schiano definitely has a rough road ahead in recruiting some of New Jersey's top talent to the state university.
But I can't see who else would have anywhere near the chances he has of doing so.
Sure, almost every program in the state who now have different coaches than when Greg left in 2011
Correct however the fans and alumni who wouldn’t shut up about ‘schiano or bust’ all were boomers for the most part, younger fans and current students aren’t nearly as enthused with the hire as our older fans. The older fans are also the largest donors so therefor have more clout with coaching moves.
If anything I’m happy this move happened, not because I think it was a good hire bc I don’t, but because now in a few years when we still are struggling hopefully our fans will realize we need to stop living in the past and develop a plan moving forward. Jimmy Johnson was a great HC for the cowboys, there’s not a shot in hell he’ll be the coach though once Garrett finally (maybe) gets fired from Jerry. He’s done nothing this decade to warrant a HC job. If Greg is soo amazing why wasn’t BC interested? Why wasn’t penn state interested a few year back when O’Brien left? Why hasn’t any other team in the country shown any interest in Greg as a coach? (besides Tennessee and we all saw what a debacle that turned into).
I’ve seen posters say despite being an embarrassment that coaching in the nfl carries all this merit for Greg... my retort is ‘what about chip kelly?’ In fact Kelly to UCLA is a perfect comparison of results to what this program will be under Greg schiano. Just watch, no amount of spinning the narrative will take away from the results on the field, we will see what happens over the next few years. But answer me this, if we’re 4-8 in year 3 of schiano will you be happy?
We got it — you think GS will fail. All good. We welcome all opinions. The beauty of this stuff is that we get to see what will actually happen.
I would take 4-8 if we have 3 top 30 recruiting classes bringing in the talent needed to compete in the BIG. that would increase the likelihood of bowling the next season.
4-8 would be ok by me, although I don’t see 4 wins on this schedule. He’s not a miracle worker. Three top 30 recruiting classes sounds like a stretch, however.
Only one reason they called him slow, and you are right, many are not that bright...how many times did we see Joe just run past the defenses. When he got to the sideline, it was fun to watch.
Back to Berger- anyone trying to pass him off as not a big deal, is an idiot. Sorry.
It isn't a big blow to GS recruiting as we were out of it very early but it seemed GS got us back in it. But pulling this kid in would have been a big "ut oh" to the rest of the conference. AND, this kids is a player- he is going to be a big player for any team that gets him. And those teams also have good RB's on the team already too
It isn't a big blow to GS recruiting as we were out of it very early but it seemed GS got us back in it. But pulling this kid in would have been a big "ut oh" to the rest of the conference. AND, this kids is a player- he is going to be a big player for any team that gets him. And those teams also have good RB's on the team already too
See if we pull off 3 straight top 30 classes I’m right there it’s you. That’s going to require 4-5 4* or higher recruits every year. If Greg pulls that off I’m on board.
You don’t see 4 wins by year 3? For the love of god I’ll take the job, pay me half of what greg got paid and I’ll get you those results. Are we really that desperate as a fan base to have him back that we’re ok with 4-8 in a guys 3rd season as coach just because his name is Greg schiano and 15 years ago he had us ranked? Wow
Actually, he doesn’t think, he is actively rooting for him to fail as a “fan”. He’ll find ways to downplay every achievement and hype up all the failures.
Not at all actually, I’m just not getting caught up in the hype. I’m also making sure my opinion is out early so in a few years when everyone is wondering what happened, I can simply point out that long before Greg was hired back I was against it and we should have hired mike houston. I’ve been very clear on what I believe the best move was for our program. Like I’ve said, save my posts, make a fool out of me in a few years if Greg turns things around, no one will be happier than me to admit I was wrong.
Like I said, actively rooting for GS to fail to prove you were correct.
So what am I just supposed to bite my tongue while I watch my university bury themselves in even more debt and negotiate against themselves for a coach who has done nothing at all in the last decade to warrant a HC opportunity besides being named Greg schiano? Nope that’s the idea of a message board is discussion, not my problem you don’t like my opinion. We’ll see in a few years whose right, but either way the point is hopefully in a few years when we’re on another coaching search we’ll actually consider an up and comer whose currently a HC at a smaller school who has proven the ability to win with creative offenses and hardnose defenses. You know, like we should have done this time around. But instead because this program has so little interest from current students and recent alumni that we just hired back the guy that the old heads or ‘boomers’ remember from 15 years ago just to appease them.
There is absolutely nothing in the last decade that anyone can point to and say, ‘this is why Greg will be a great coach for us!’.... it’s 100% a nostalgia hire. It’s extremely similar to lovie smith at Illinois and chip kelly at ucla, but hey keep on dreaming! Maybe you’ll be right and I’m wrong about all of this. Like I said, save my posts!
You're so wrong. I graduated in 2012. Me and all my friends were absolutely enthused about getting Greg back. I mean it was Ryan Hart and other former teammates who lead the charge. Not "baby boomers".
You make it sound like it was a bunch of old white guys.
Also there are hardly any football fans in the current students because we've sucked so bad when they were here.
So it's not "baby boomers", it's everyone who was a fan when Greg was in charge. Because we've seen what he has done and how he did it. I couldn't care less if anyone else was interested. He's uniquely qualified for Rutgers.
#1 - At this point, yes you should stop saying you disagree with the hire over and over and over. He is already hired. We are already committed to paying him. There are no ongoing negotiations with him. Everyone on the board knows how you feel. I don't remember seeing you have anywhere near this much to say about anything other than being anti-Schiano.
#2 - you are so tied up in your rant that you go to hyperbole and are flat out wrong. Fifteen years ago was the 2004 season. We didn't bowl that year but most were convinced the corner was turning. We then bowled in every following season except one. What did our recruiting classes and talent level look like within the last decade? It was at the level you now say you want to see before you theoretically will admit you are wrong. That was in a Big East with an uncertain future. News flash, there was a real risk we could've ended up where UConn is now, forever doomed to football irrelevancy, and Greg still was getting top recruits to commit. Now that we are B1G, I think he will do it again and raise the level of the program to a solid level.
Signed,
A Gen X alum (not a boomer)
Wow. What a contorted prism you are looking through.
So we can expect to see posts when some losses happen next year I take it?
Maybe I'm an idiot but I can not agree with you. While getting Berger would be a nice pickup for the program, he is not going to make or break the program or set any kind of precedent that turns RU into the must go school for top level talent. It would have been a bigger deal if he committed a few months back and made some other recruits take another look but with 20 in the class already and the early signing day gone, this years class is fairly well defined.
Next years class will also not be hugely impacted by his decision either. GS needs to do his thing with high school players and most of all, show something on the field to prove that Rutgers has turned the corner and the near term future is bright. It's possible that Berger could be so much better then our current RBs that we get more wins but that seems unlikely.
In my opinion, Berger would be a very nice pickup and I hope we get him but the value of sending an "uh oh" to the rest of the league is really meaningless. Just win baby (or at least be more competitive) and the kids will come.
Always love the "hope I'm wrong" ending to a series of posts killing the GS hire. Sure sign of a moron. He's probably 12 years old and a Notre Dame fan. Feel bad for him actually. Poor little kid. Picked on all the time. Sticks to the net. Loathes himself.
Like it or not, GS is our HC. As a Rutgers fan, you don’t have to like him but you have to support the school. I have the same feeling about Pike but I can be objective and give credit where credit is due.
It was probably more Gen-Xers and older Millennials pushing for Schiano than Boomers, tbh. The youngest Boomers would have been 42 in 2006, while the Gen-Xers were 25-41 and Millennials were students and young alumni, and were much more likely the ones fueling the expanded fanbase.
A completely re-energized fanbase, the university's commitment to finally spending real money on coaches and facilities, strong public government support, and a much better recruiting class (especially when including the transfers) than expected at the early signing period obviously mean nothing to you and your ilk. I'm sure we'll be dealing with your snide anti-Schiano/anti-Rutgers comments for years and even once Schiano turns things around and we start going bowling again, you'll just start whining about us not making the playoffs or something else.
The bolded is the honey moon phase -- let's see if it sticks first.. And im farthest thing from anti Rutgers.. And I haven't stated anything anti Greg - since the hiring.