To be fair, Freddie is one of the worst coaches in the NFL.
There's a good chance OBJ was trying to remind Kitchens where the game was happening.
OT: NY Giants Season Thread
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To be fair, Freddie is one of the worst coaches in the NFL.
There's a good chance OBJ was trying to remind Kitchens where the game was happening.
For a football board, very few seem to understand the game. Players are playing for their own careers and coaches are playing for their jobs. Not to mention that these guys are at the pinnacle of their professions and didn't get there by not being super competitive.
The Giants will probably pick 4th and 36th and will get two very good players not to mention that they have a fair amount of cap space.
The Giants will be just fine with or without Chase Young.
The Giants will probably pick 4th and 36th and will get two very good players not to mention that they have a fair amount of cap space.
The Giants will be just fine with or without Chase Young.
The Giants will be fine???
Umm, have you paid attention to them the past how many years?? They have been utterly demoralizing to watch. Throw in Rutgers the past 4-5 years and I haven't been able to enjoy any football
lets give gettleman money to spend on free agents - he’ll get guys like Nate solder and Alec ogletree. This year he’ll resign Leonard Williams.
Giants should trade saquon and start over. Teams don’t win with RBs taking up a ton of cap space - for the most part they are fungible.
Not sure how you can call one of the more promising young QBs a terrible pick a day after throwing for over 350 yards and 5 td but sure..talk right out of your ***
You were probably one of the sheep proclaiming how losing vernon, Odell, and that bum snacks was suuuuch a bad move. Not to mention Landon who is basically worth his weight in dogshit now. Gettleman won those trades. And I really don't think it's debateable. He cleaned house and I love where we'll be going once we can spend the 60 mil that was paid to Eli, Vernon and Odell alone this year
I’m no I thought those were good trades, but he should have cut Eli (what would Belichick have done) and not re-signed Odell in the first place. I also though Barkley was a horrible pick.
Im a giants fan and this fanbase wanting to tank for the chase young potential is foolish.
The most important position on the team is the QB and the development of Jones and what he did yesterday is worth a lot. This team is young and has a lot of holes so the notion that its Chase Young or bust is so narrow minded.
DG draft ability has been much better than his FA moves to date so I am confident he will pick the right player at whatever spot we fall to. Lets not forget the draft is a crapshoot, the NFL mvp is pick 32, Mahomes wasnt the first QB taken, and we know how many guys who people thought would be hits dont pan out.
For all the crap that Gettleman has gotten hes cleaned up the bad contracts Reese gave, will clean the ones that he did add and give this team significant cap space with a franchise QB and RB in place along with an underappreciated DT in Dexter Lawrence.
The most important position on the team is the QB and the development of Jones and what he did yesterday is worth a lot. This team is young and has a lot of holes so the notion that its Chase Young or bust is so narrow minded.
DG draft ability has been much better than his FA moves to date so I am confident he will pick the right player at whatever spot we fall to. Lets not forget the draft is a crapshoot, the NFL mvp is pick 32, Mahomes wasnt the first QB taken, and we know how many guys who people thought would be hits dont pan out.
For all the crap that Gettleman has gotten hes cleaned up the bad contracts Reese gave, will clean the ones that he did add and give this team significant cap space with a franchise QB and RB in place along with an underappreciated DT in Dexter Lawrence.
So cut Eli the same year that we were going to be paying Odell and Vernon and jackrabbit anyway and it would be nearly impossible to win with those financial albatrosses signed on..for no reason. Got it.
Unless your reason is that Jones should've started game one. Because nobody thought Jones would be ready to do that, or even start this year til he got here and exceeded all expectations. So apparently you can tell the future better than basically every NFL analyst who said he'd need a year to sit.
Personally I've seen Eli on the sideline with Jones..this is not a favre and Rodgers situation. Eli was doing a damn good job coaching him and to me, he was worth every damn penny.
Odell played nice to get signed. It was a good enough act that not only were us fans fooled, but the browns were more than happy to take on the majority of the contract and give us the pick that turned into Lawrence, one of our best young players (plus ximines). And if he hadn't resigned Odell, fans like you would've been screaming bloody murder
Daniel Jones is gonna be a great player.
Kid is fearless
Kid is fearless
Of course if he pans out to be a great pass rusher but the most important position in football is QB and seeing Jones grow and be able to win is far more important. Not to mention FA is going to be an area you can get pass rushers. Golden has 10 sacks this year and the defense is still bad. They are multiple pieces away so drafting at 2 or 5 we will get a piece that will be an upgrade.
He can get the **** literally kicked out of him but he gets up after. And he usually responds with a dart to the endzone.
I'm not sure that he had a single game where he played with all of his weapons
The Giants disgust me and even as a lifelong fan whose family owns (and now sells off) season tickets I’m pretty much done with them until the organization from the top on down starts getting run the right way again. So I disagree with “the Giants will be fine.”
That said, Albany was correct that getting or not getting Chase Young will not make or break the Giants. Is he a promising edge rusher? Yes. Are the Giants in desperate need of pass rushers? Absolutely. But he’s not a once in a lifetime player. He’s not Lawrence Taylor, not even close. So let’s not go there.
As for Jones, from what I’ve seen this kid has “it.” Shouldn’t matter where he was picked in the draft. Kid just set New York Giants all time rookie passing records in yards and TD’s and he’s playing on a **** team with no OL. He’s accurate, athletic and has shown both physical and mental toughness. The Giants have yet again found a southern boy who doesn’t get easily rattled. He’ll clean up the ball security issues, not worried about that one bit.
That said, Albany was correct that getting or not getting Chase Young will not make or break the Giants. Is he a promising edge rusher? Yes. Are the Giants in desperate need of pass rushers? Absolutely. But he’s not a once in a lifetime player. He’s not Lawrence Taylor, not even close. So let’s not go there.
As for Jones, from what I’ve seen this kid has “it.” Shouldn’t matter where he was picked in the draft. Kid just set New York Giants all time rookie passing records in yards and TD’s and he’s playing on a **** team with no OL. He’s accurate, athletic and has shown both physical and mental toughness. The Giants have yet again found a southern boy who doesn’t get easily rattled. He’ll clean up the ball security issues, not worried about that one bit.
Sure, the Giants had a disappointing year, but the one thing I think they handled perfectly was the Eli / Daniel Jones situation. Cutting Eli would have accomplished nothing, it would have deprived Jones of a valuable mentor and been a totally classless way to say goodbye to a player who was the face of the franchise for 15 years.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I that I have been paying as much attention as you have.
In the less than two years that Dave Gettleman has taken over they have drafted a generational running back, a franchise quarterback and a top ten defensive line. They also got a DB (Baker); a WR (Slayton); a very good left guard (Hernandez) plus traded away a liability in the locker room (Beckham) for one of the top five guards in the league (Zeitler) and one of the top five SS's (Peppers).
Who cares what happened under Reese and MacAdoo or Coughlin in the last few years?
They may need to improve the coaching but like I said the Giants will be fine.
Baker has been one of the worst corners in the league. Generational running back? He missed half of this year with a high ankle sprain ... you don’t take a rb that high no matter what. Name the last successful team to pick a “generational rb” that high. You can argue the rams but Gurley’s productivity has already fallen off. We don’t know he’s a franchise qb - he beat the redskins twice who are beyond bad. Peppers is nowhere near top 5 - he’s solid against the run but atrocious in pass coverage. And a top 10 dL? - they have the 4th fewest sacks as a team. The Leonard Williams trade was pathetic - let’s trade for a free agent to be who can’t rush the passer - and give up what will essentially be a late 2nd round pick if you resign him. Slayton has been a pleasant surprise and Hernandez is good. Trading obj needed to be done but he never should have been signed in the first place.
the giants front office is a joke without a plan.
Barkley was a can't miss type of prospect. Not sure why it's such a sin to take him high (he'd go a pick or two later anyway) when there are plenty of other volatile guys that teams take who bust. Boo hoo we got a generational type RB get over it.
Baker is playing the #1 corner role in his first year on a team after his best LB running the defense (Connelly) went down. And somehow he's actually shown major steps the last month. Now isn't the time to be trashing him.
Peppers is cheap. And he outproduced that bum Landon Collins (by a good amount). So not sure why you have so many complaints about him.
You're so mad about how everything went down but if we did it like you wanted, we would've ended up with Darnold and a way worse RB. I'm sorry to break this to you but Daniel Jones is better than Darnold and we are fortunate with the way things turned out.
The reason you can take a Barkley so high in the draft is because of his receiving skills. Not your everyday back. That said, I think he dances too much before the LOS.
Why were the fans expecting the Giants to tank? Fans and Organizations want teams to tank so they can have a better draft position. Players are playing for their jobs either with there current team or audition for the next one. As a player, if you lose, there is a chance you could be out of a job (league) real quick.
So did Simms, and it shaved some time off his career. Need to protect him better.
Giants took a huge step in getting better next year by cutting Janoris two weeks ago
Because some people simply aren't very bright, lol...
He does and he admits it. He get kooky-jooky. But he's still most explosive back I've seen in a long time when he's healthy. He can bust a haul to the end-zone at any time. When the OL is good, the stress on a defense caused by Jones passing and Barkley running will be a real factor. If Giants WR could block up-field the way the Ravens WRs can then you'll have a machine.
Barkley mostly needs to get better at the blitz. "Picking-up" the blitz can be a bad expression because it implies "receiving" the blitz. Lots of backs struggle because they see the blitz and wait to intercept it - then they whiff on it. What a back needs to do is become a hammer instead of a nail. When they see a blitz, the need to get to it and punish the blitzer as best they can
Would really like to see him stop running and fumbling so much. Just when I thought I was getting done watching Eli lose all motor function as soon as he's hit, we get a QB who thinks he's a full back on his way to 16 fumbles 10 lost. I'm sure Mike McCarthey will get that out of his system.
As bad as Eli is with that, I think its why he played so long uninjured. Eli turned into a wet noodle on contact. I never knew if that was an accident or intentional. Its like someone once told Eli to "relax" upon contact and avoid injuries. The most spazzy looking plays I ever saw were Eli plays
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-Who on the defensive line is top 10? There isn't one.
-Peppers is by far not a top 5 SS. He still has big problems in coverage and that 's never going away.
-Last one i agree whole heartedly. We need a new coach, Shurmur is not going to take us to the playofffs. McCarthy will do for Jones what he did for Rodgers, even though AllState boy thinks he did it all on his own.
The picks of Barkley and Jones are far from the Giant's problems. The fact that they got Jones this year make the Barkley pick better but...Giant's most likely could have gotten Jones with their 2nd pick this year, not their first. Unless, there is another team that kindof knew he was actually this good...
Now, they need to figure out OL and a pass rusher. So, let's say they have the 4/5 pick - what do they do with it? Trade if for more picks? Or do they use it to target one of the two glaring needs? If they go any other pick outside of OL/Pass rusher, then it will be a crime.
Now, they need to figure out OL and a pass rusher. So, let's say they have the 4/5 pick - what do they do with it? Trade if for more picks? Or do they use it to target one of the two glaring needs? If they go any other pick outside of OL/Pass rusher, then it will be a crime.
I'd like to see them go after Andrew Thomas LT out of Georgia. Not a sexy pick, but he's a borderline top 5 pick. He's young coming out early so he's just scratching his potential . Could move Solder over to right tackle as he's sucked at LT and he'd be an upgrade to Remmers who has been beyond atrocious.
Guard you're pretty well set with Hernandez and Zeitler they've been good. Need to get rid of Halapio at center he's another one guilty of being atrocious. That one you could fill via free agency. Also need a TE who is on the field most of the time instead of off it. Maybe another free agency or mid-round pick.
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I don’t know about that. Haskins is not very good plus he seems like a head case to me. Other teams probably knew that as well. I can’t fault the GM for picking our QB for the next decade plus at 6. He gets credit for that one. Also Baker is playing much much better the last three weeks. Corner is the second toughest position to learn to play. We have a lot of young talent there that could turn the corner next year. We are a few good draft picks and signings away from being the best team in the east.
Giants didn’t play the value of their picks. That is a fact. Gettleman could easily have traded down both years and got his guy. Somebody likely would have wanted Josh Allen from Kentucky or Sam Darnold at their picks and they could have picked up huge amounts of draft capital.
Option B, if you has to have Barkley, trading Odell the Cleveland a year early straight up for pick #4 would have made sense. They could/would have taken what would have likely amounted to Barkley and Nelson.
I said collectively Tomlinson, Lawrence and Williams are a top-ten DL. Do they need to get a pass rushing DL? Absolutely. That is what all the Chase Young talk is about.
Peppers is Landon Collins with coverage skills. That is why they let Collins go and traded for Peppers. The problem was not Peppers, it was an over-the-hill Bethea and very young corners and no one to play the slot. Add Bettcher's system that nobody really ever got and no Lbers who could cover and it may look like Peppers was the problem but he wasn't. Give Baker, Beal and Love a year of experience and you will see Peppers shine.
The Giants have lots of issues and plenty of holes to fill but they also have some really good pieces in place.
Easy for some to think that way because they have no real skin in the game and don't realize how it impacts one's opportunities to stay in the league.
You suck! Ans yes, Barkley is a generational RB.
Best back in the league, as a rookie. Now that he is healthy, he is back to being the best all around RB once again.
I think people need to accept the fact that the predraft analysis that we were sold by TV experts was just wrong.
He looks like a very good pick at #6.
Are we sure we could have traded Odell for the #4 pick coming off a season in which he played 4 games?
I know it tied our hands this season in terms of cap space, but I don't think the Odell situation was handled poorly. We signed him, I think because we hoped it would work, but he continued be a pain in the neck, so we traded him and got a solid return