No much more than that. I’m taking my hat out of this conversation. Someone can confirm or refute my google search but I’m not one for getting into that conversation. Privacy and google can just be a little to creepy.
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No much more than that. I’m taking my hat out of this conversation. Someone can confirm or refute my google search but I’m not one for getting into that conversation. Privacy and google can just be a little to creepy.
Not going to look for the house online but if he is married and Shevardnadze works at a good job and 95 is his base...they most likely can afford pretty well
This all comes back to reasonable judgement and discretion. If you are driving over the speed limit, at some point, the incremental speed will be a factor in public safety. If it’s a 25mph zone, any officer would have to use his own judgment to decide when to enforce the law. Is it 27mph, 30, 35, 40? The judgment gets made based on the conditions at hand, but it’s a fluid situation, that carries a large part of officer discretion. The situation cited by the OP should be no different. It is not black and white. It was a controlled environment that as described, was very orderly. Just as driving 26 in a 25 is “breaking the law”, it’s assumed that officers apply a reasonable level of common sense. So for all of you siding with the cop, stop bringing up situations that don’t exist (what if she goes crazy with a butcher knife, or jumps in the family car and starts plowing through the crowd)? Stick to the situation at hand. If you want 100% enforcement to the letter of every single law on the books, they can install cameras on your street, and automatically send you a summons every time you exceed the speed limit by 1 mph. We can do better than this. Almost every other major school does.
I'll make the following points as Huckebee got me nasty with her comments re Schiano. Apologies in advance...
1) Those tickets s*ck if the kids weren't causing harm but NEVER give the police an opportunity to exploit their egos. The law is the law. I got hit head on once by someone who had been drinking earlier an 18 year old0. Was 6 accidents the same place that day but if she had been drinking maybe she could have prevented. Maybe they will be in court with my old attorney...
2) Speaking of such maybe they will be before Judge Fackelman. Hate to say as traditionally he's been pretty lax w Rutgers players (inc Floods players) and traditionally a great guy but sadly his own son died under "odd circumstances".
An "accidental reaction" from medication. As my Pharmacist fathe (who served much Rutgers top brass) said 99% of the time there's no accident...Sad story for seemingly someone who had everything. Maybe if his son had only enjoyed tailgating with a bit of drinking he might have felt better (assuming that was the case)
3) I'm sitting here waiting for Wednesday. My next wall heroin shooting, drug and alcoholic prostitute bipolar neighbor is supposed to be evicted. For the 8 months I've known her (for 7) the court system did NOTHING to jail her and still hasn't done a whole lot to treat her. Squatter boyfriend has been in the room for 8 months using heroin with two other girlfriends (one according to NP Police a dealer) . Last night the one tried to bust into my room. ***The law does very little to punish the hardened criminals and supposedly (according to police) they are handicapped by the bail reform laws.
1) Those tickets s*ck if the kids weren't causing harm but NEVER give the police an opportunity to exploit their egos. The law is the law. I got hit head on once by someone who had been drinking earlier an 18 year old0. Was 6 accidents the same place that day but if she had been drinking maybe she could have prevented. Maybe they will be in court with my old attorney...
2) Speaking of such maybe they will be before Judge Fackelman. Hate to say as traditionally he's been pretty lax w Rutgers players (inc Floods players) and traditionally a great guy but sadly his own son died under "odd circumstances".
An "accidental reaction" from medication. As my Pharmacist fathe (who served much Rutgers top brass) said 99% of the time there's no accident...Sad story for seemingly someone who had everything. Maybe if his son had only enjoyed tailgating with a bit of drinking he might have felt better (assuming that was the case)
3) I'm sitting here waiting for Wednesday. My next wall heroin shooting, drug and alcoholic prostitute bipolar neighbor is supposed to be evicted. For the 8 months I've known her (for 7) the court system did NOTHING to jail her and still hasn't done a whole lot to treat her. Squatter boyfriend has been in the room for 8 months using heroin with two other girlfriends (one according to NP Police a dealer) . Last night the one tried to bust into my room. ***The law does very little to punish the hardened criminals and supposedly (according to police) they are handicapped by the bail reform laws.
By the way i saw "drinking pass" and immediately thought of a new way to help keep the sports program solvent. I can see it now-drinking passes on Stubhub!
That's too bad. A friend of mine has one of those Mississippi State style cowbells and would love to show them off to everyone in the blue lot. Just so happens Captain Killjoy and his minions are walking nearby too. Would sure give Captain Killjoy some excitement though.
No it boils down to quotas and if the town needs the money because they can't generate or attract clean industry like Bridgewater (whose cops weren't too bad in my 47 years of experience).
Shore towns have no economic based besides the shore so they have no problem ticketing at 26mph in a 25 mph zone. I once received a speeding ticket in Manahawkin (where its said the police cant get along with the fire department) doing 27-30 in a rural stretch of road. The speed doesnt bother me but the police officer's radar detected me at worse angles than the kennedy bullets were said to have travelled. And oh by the way at the time the town was building a new police headquarters!
Ditto I received either a speeding or not obeying a stop sign in "south belmar"
5PM LABOR DAY one year. I wasn't even close to going thrr the stop sign (if you know belmar there are a lot of tricky short streets-especially if one isn't that familiar) However 1) it was labor day and last chance to pick on "the bennies" and 2) South belmar hated being part of belmar and had succeeded. Of course they were building a spanking new municipal building and police station.
I rememeber this racket quite well. The officer was an angry mix of nationallities and always stalked women in the years after hec ticketed me 9he remembered me well as the summons was such BS). First i called to get officer McCormick (turned out same name as R then President). I went back to the internet where all officer names had been posted on Labor Day. A few days later all the names of the officers were off the internet.
When i went to "kangeroo court" I realized my theories-lots of money was being raised for the municipal and police station. Thousands and thousands were being raised in parking fines. One homeowner negligent about garbage
received several fines for $2,000ish.
The officers were pretty much no-shows. The fat police chief came in mid session and was laughing half the time already counting his money.
Sans a few times at Bar A for WFAN day I pretty much avoided South Belmar after that.
I compare the above to North Plainfield now where 70% of traffice does 35-60MPH in 35 mph zones tops-and nobody gets ticketed. This holds for much more serious crimes.
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It's alright. The officer under discussion doesn't seem to mind if someone abuses the right to inspect what other people are doing and maybe cross over the line of common sense. As long as it's all within the letter of the law.
Let me add police officers egos to the list. If you tweek an officer's ego you can expect to be ticketed. One of my other 2 summonses over 38 or so years of driving was being ticket by an egotistical state cop who drove up and tailgated me at 60 MPH on the left hand side of the parkway without identifying himself.
I thought "what an a**hole " and waited a few seconds to move to the right lane (there were other cars in the general vicinity in the right hand lane). I didn't move quick enough for him and when he DID turn on the siren and I did immediately move it was too late-bothered his ego and he saw my Rutgers stickers (as a county college grad).
I thought "what an a**hole " and waited a few seconds to move to the right lane (there were other cars in the general vicinity in the right hand lane). I didn't move quick enough for him and when he DID turn on the siren and I did immediately move it was too late-bothered his ego and he saw my Rutgers stickers (as a county college grad).
One thing to "defend" Rutgers is that they have to worry about liability lawsuits. The top brass who manage to lose tens of millions each year-year after year with poor decisions-can't afford any additional financial losses or bad publicity. I remember vaguely in the late 1970's? old Rutgers Stadium had a wall around it and someone drinking fell off the wall and died. Rutgers got sued.
Want action? How about we all put this in a letter to Hobbs. That we will reduce our annual donation by $100 for every person in our tailgate between the age of 21 and 25 that gets carded, and $200 for anyone over 25 that gets carded.
Talk about harassment. The fans next to us in the second row of the blue lot a few weeks ago got carded no less than three times during their tailgate. They had 8-10 people and the youngest was 25, although he did look young. How can you enjoy the experience when you are constantly pulling out your ID.
Talk about harassment. The fans next to us in the second row of the blue lot a few weeks ago got carded no less than three times during their tailgate. They had 8-10 people and the youngest was 25, although he did look young. How can you enjoy the experience when you are constantly pulling out your ID.
I have been in the Blue Lot since 2002 (?) when my RU son and friends were 19. I thought nothing about them bringing beer to what is a family tailgate. There was never one moment of trouble from our group. I am a lawyer and understand that the 19 year old broke the law. However, as number of you have said issuing the ticket(s) is discretionary. Two years ago we saw the same event in another family tailgate near our own play out where the cops humiliated a young girl (around 19 I would say) and her family.
Obnoxiousness and trouble is where I draw the line personally. I have seen plenty of that in the Blue Lot over the year. Police please deal with that issue and leave family tailgates alone.
Obnoxiousness and trouble is where I draw the line personally. I have seen plenty of that in the Blue Lot over the year. Police please deal with that issue and leave family tailgates alone.
what's with all this constant bad cop speak--- the generalizations are wrong--i've been stopped on 80 going 82 and let go with a warning and he even wished me luck on my way to the casino--not all cops are bad guys--tell me, if that same ticketing cop saved your kid's life that you wouldn't be thanking him effusively
Well that's a BAD cop-for not ticketing you. The cop that DID NOT IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS A COP WHO DID LIKE YOU AND COME UP ON ME IN THE LEFT HAND LANE-AND THEN TICKETED ME FOR NOT MOVING AS QUICKLY AS HE WANTED IS ALSO A BAD COP.
Maybe when you hit something at 80 you'll probably come back here and repent-however you'll probably be dead. Like myself maybe u need to have a serious accident to understand that even a head on accident at 30mph can kill.
True, but this is quite different. That guy wasn’t drinking with his family, he was with a fraternity. He was also 21. BTW, he did not die.
If I remember correctly, you could be drinking inside the stadium back then. The four corners of the stadium were grass hills, and the intoxicated kid tried to jump from the stands to the grass, and instead fell down into the recessed concrete walkway where the players would enter the stadium.
I’ve explained this the same way whenever we have this thread.
There is no reason these prison guards should have this type of detail on Gameday. With everything else that is going on or “perceived” to be needed plug them in somewhere else.
And why does this guy have a beard? Is there a “No Shave November” thing going on down at the courthouse? Dude looks sloppy.
did see a cop all day also..seems the blue lot is the favorite of the flat foots to walk..
My girlfriend is a prosecutor and sherrifs officers make WAY more then she does. They don't graduate from college. They make TONS in overtime doing things like this or being a makeshift security guards at churches or other events. They get a pretty hefty pension, plenty of time off, great health insurance. They make 6 figures very easily. Their work isn't particularly hard either. Many of them retire early and double dip with other police-type jobs. It's kind of a joke.
If I would have known about it I never would have gone through with 7 years if undergrad+grad school to make a fraction of what they do and just signed up for the academy out of high school. The NJ police union is incredibly strong.
If I would have known about it I never would have gone through with 7 years if undergrad+grad school to make a fraction of what they do and just signed up for the academy out of high school. The NJ police union is incredibly strong.
Anybody know what the public consumption laws are for Piscataway? I think it's municipality regulated , not state, although I suppose being on the Rutgers campus could "gray" things up a little bit. Basically, what I'm wondering is if there are other laws that are being selectively ignored by the powers that be, both in the parking lots and on the walk to the stadium.
Pretty sure that we have a very liberal policy for open containers on campus during tailgating.
Some visiting fans have been very surprised by the presence of the bottle/can chug & dump bins as you approach the stadium.
I would agree on the liberal conclusion. However, underage drinking on college campus and in general are popular things to get riled up over. That's why you see this type of enforcement. Be less hysterical about under age drinking as a culture and this type of (Oh my God we're still bitching about this?) enforcement will stop.
This website suggests that New Jersey allows underage drinking on private property with parental consent. Not sure its true.. but that is the goal of the website.. to list states that allow such drinking.
If true, that begs the question.. was the lot owned by the public side of Rutgers University or the Private side of Rutgers University (ie land managed by the Board of Trustees rather than the Board of Governors)?
If true, that begs the question.. was the lot owned by the public side of Rutgers University or the Private side of Rutgers University (ie land managed by the Board of Trustees rather than the Board of Governors)?
Interesting question. Is it your own private property or any private property?