BLUE LOT DRINKING TICKET

[LETSGORU91_]

They do that all the time.

Ever drive on the Turnpike?

Ever get stopped and ticketed for going 66 mph?

Why not?

Because everyone is going faster than 65. Everyone is breaking the law. So the state police set an enforcement threshold to pick off those who are most flagrantly - or dangerously - violating the law. On the NJTP you typically won't get stopped for going anything under 80.

So police officers should set a number of drinks and/or age threshold for those drinkers under the age of 21? Maybe give those drinkers with their parents and from ages 19-20, two wooden nickles they can redeem for drinks during that game day.

A driver going 66 miles an hour is nothing near similar to allowing those under 21 the opportunity to drink, in my opinion.

 

[MrsScrew_rivals32693]

I'm surprised no one has brought up the speed trap that Edison PD had set after the game. A friend got stopped on Cedar Lane near the RAC. cop stopped him and said "trying to get away from the game as quick as you can, eh?". Setting speed traps around the stadium is not really showing RU that you are supporting them.

 

[RU4Real]

So police officers should set a number of drinks and/or age threshold for those drinkers under the age of 21? Maybe give those drinkers with their parents and from ages 19-20, two wooden nickles they can redeem for drinks during that game day.

A driver going 66 miles an hour is nothing near similar to allowing those under 21 the opportunity to drink, in my opinion.

No. They should police disorderly behavior. Period.

There is a very real constitutional issue - and moreover, a very real PR issue - associated with just walking up to random people and asking them for ID. It's basically a "stop and frisk" procedure, which is unlawful in NJ. What these guys are doing is just over the edge of legality, which is why they're writing the 2nd summons for "Peace and Good Order". They're doing it because the underage consumption summonses are being written based on an illegal search.

They should just be smart, not be dicks, and police unruly and disorderly behavior. No one would be against that.

 

[cicero grimes]

I'm surprised no one has brought up the speed trap that Edison PD had set after the game. A friend got stopped on Cedar Lane near the RAC. cop stopped him and said "trying to get away from the game as quick as you can, eh?". Setting speed traps around the stadium is not really showing RU that you are supporting them.

The new RU triple play. Get a ticket for underage drinking prior to the game; have the privilege of watching your team get blown out and then get a speeding ticket on the way home. You cannot get a better fan experience for your money.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

Letter of the law versus spirit of the law debate. I bet I can find the no fun do as I say parents in this thread easily.

We should raise money next year and distribute 5,000 red solo cups and just create interference. Let the overzealous cops try and check 5,000 hilarious Empty leads.

My guess is you would be incorrect a good number of times.

I do like your suggestion about the 5,000 solo cups.

 

[mildone_rivals]

True story - most of those dogs are basic K9 trained. The cops tell people they're bomb dogs or drug dogs or whatever but mostly what they're trained to do is give an "alert response" based on a subtle signal from the handler. That allows them to say "The dog just alerted on your car, here. We're gonna have to look inside."

One would think a decent lawyer could have a lot of dog-initiated searches of cars thrown out of court. Because records of the dog's training would certainly be requested by any halfway competent defense attorney. No probable cause if the dog wasn't actually trained to to detect stuff.

 

[Scarlet16e2]

No. They should police disorderly behavior. Period.

There is a very real constitutional issue - and moreover, a very real PR issue - associated with just walking up to random people and asking them for ID. It's basically a "stop and frisk" procedure, which is unlawful in NJ. What these guys are doing is just over the edge of legality, which is why they're writing the 2nd summons for "Peace and Good Order". They're doing it because the underage consumption summonses are being written based on an illegal search.

They should just be smart, not be dicks, and police unruly and disorderly behavior. No one would be against that.

The police are there to
1. Discourage and watch for serious threats that are a reality these days (bombs / guns / whatever).
2. Assist in medical emergencies.
3. Police for disorderly conduct.

Carding and ticketing for alcohol consumption should not even be on their radar. That is taking resources away from their roles on #1 & #2.

Now, if when enforcing #3 they happen to use underage alcohol consumption enforcement as part of their toolbox, I'm fine with that. It's just that focusing on it detracts from their other, more important duties.

 

[DJ Spanky]

There is a very real constitutional issue - and moreover, a very real PR issue - associated with just walking up to random people and asking them for ID. It's basically a "stop and frisk" procedure, which is unlawful in NJ. What these guys are doing is just over the edge of legality, which is why they're writing the 2nd summons for "Peace and Good Order". They're doing it because the underage consumption summonses are being written based on an illegal search.

Can this be challenged in court? I wonder if anyone has ever done this - I would imagine you'd need significant resources to wage that battle.

 

[cicero grimes]

One would think a decent lawyer could have a lot of dog-initiated searches of cars thrown out of court. Because records of the dog's training would certainly be requested by any halfway competent defense attorney. No probable cause if the dog wasn't actually trained to to detect stuff.

I rarely if ever see the dogs walking the rows in the yellow lot. What has your experience been? I am usually in the fist three rows.

 

[cicero grimes]

Can this be challenged in court? I wonder if anyone has ever done this - I would imagine you'd need significant resources to wage that battle.

I think all the officer has to do is articulate a reasonable suspicion for the examination of the cup. For example if the officer were to state he/she observed the defendant moving unsteadily or a strong smell of alcohol was detected on the defendant's person during their community policing function, that may pass muster.

 

[Shelby65]

Am disappointed but not surprised that so many people here are advocating for cops to ignore underage drinking in public.

Should it be OK for me let my kid drive if he doesn't have a license ? Or buy alcohol with fake ID ? Why can't I do a shot with my 8 year old ? Just one ! On it's face, no big deal right ?

Why should cops look the other way ? Because they are preventing people from having fun ? What if my way to have fun is to hunt bear out of season ?

Break the law and risk the consequences. Those who got caught have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

No. They should police disorderly behavior. Period.

There is a very real constitutional issue - and moreover, a very real PR issue - associated with just walking up to random people and asking them for ID. It's basically a "stop and frisk" procedure, which is unlawful in NJ. What these guys are doing is just over the edge of legality, which is why they're writing the 2nd summons for "Peace and Good Order". They're doing it because the underage consumption summonses are being written based on an illegal search.

They should just be smart, not be dicks, and police unruly and disorderly behavior. No one would be against that.

Interesting points, well taken, and I agree. RU to the Core said it best I think, "letter of the law vs. spirit of the law". Much of this conversation has gone slightly off tangent for me. My intent wasn't to support either side, it was to answer the question of "how this could happen". My simple response is that someone broke the law and they paid the consequence for it. That being said, I feel the need to get back to football discussions...er...maybe not after how we finished the season.

 

[miketd1]

Asking for cops to enforce laws to the T is like asking refs to strictly enforce holding.

You're doing more harm than good.

 

[ScarletKnight811]

I support police officers 99.9% because they have a tough job in dealing with habitual criminals. This however is ludicrous. The police should be there to make sure that no one gets hurt or is subject to theft or violent crime. Turning them into watch dogs for underage drinking at a tailgate is a waste of time and is ridiculous.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I rarely if ever see the dogs walking the rows in the yellow lot. What has your experience been? I am usually in the fist three rows.

I've only ever seen the dogs out on the roads into the stadium from the lots. Can't recall seeing them out in the lots themselves.

 

[cicero grimes]

The police should have been performing a missing persons search on Saturday as opposed to combating underage drinking. Our offense was missing but the MCSD did nothing.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Am disappointed but not surprised that so many people here are advocating for cops to ignore underage drinking in public.

Should it be OK for me let my kid drive if he doesn't have a license ? Or buy alcohol with fake ID ? Why can't I do a shot with my 8 year old ? Just one ! On it's face, no big deal right ?

Why should cops look the other way ? Because they are preventing people from having fun ? What if my way to have fun is to hunt bear out of season ?

Break the law and risk the consequences. Those who got caught have no one to blame but themselves.

You ever drive 26mph in a 25mph zone?

You're comparing a nineteen year old drinking beer with her mom to you doing shots with your eight year old. Is representative of your sense of right and wrong?

This thread isn't about assigning blame. It's about the school finding the right balance between ensuring the safety and well-being of everyone, and building up the fan base.

 

[KingHigh]

So police officers should set a number of drinks and/or age threshold for those drinkers under the age of 21? Maybe give those drinkers with their parents and from ages 19-20, two wooden nickles they can redeem for drinks during that game day.

A driver going 66 miles an hour is nothing near similar to allowing those under 21 the opportunity to drink, in my opinion.

Why? 21 is as arbitrary a number as 20 or 22 or 19 yrs and 4 mths. What magic occurs within us on our 21st birthdays?

 

[Shelby65]

mild...I said "one shot." And I said driving without a license, and hunting out of season. where's the harm, right ?

and yes, people here are blaming the cops for enforcing laws. they are not to blame. it's the mom in your example whose fault it is for breaking the law and now she's paying the piper.

whether or not the law is a good law isn't what's being discussed here. i actually agree it's not a good law and the legal age should be lower. but it is the law and I have no issue with it being enforced whether on the street, at the beach or at a tailgate.

and I think it's ridiculous to suggest that laws should be overlooked by the cops "to build up the fan base."

 

[KnightHound]

I'm quoting a member of our tailgate crew who is a Detective in the MC prosecutors office.
"These guys come down here on game days to write tickets and harass people for no reason. They're stuck in the courthouse all week babysitting prisoner and have no idea on how to deal with the general public. The big guys is a total d bag and gets off on some power trip by giving anyone who looks under 40 a hard time."
This was after Bozo carded his girlfriend and questioned the validity of her ID. Finally one of Bozo' s minions recognized him from the Courthouse and gave him the heads up to back off.
Can't tell you how many time Bozo has harassed people who were minding their own business. He was also hassling a group in the front of the Blue lot this week about the pig roasting box they had set up.
We've been front row Blue lot regulars for over 10 years now, and there has never a bigger pain in the *** as this guy.

 

[mildone_rivals]

mild...I said "one shot." And I said driving without a license, and hunting out of season. where's the harm, right ?

and yes, people here are blaming the cops for enforcing laws. they are not to blame. it's the mom in your example whose fault it is for breaking the law and now she's paying the piper.

whether or not the law is a good law isn't what's being discussed here. i actually agree it's not a good law and the legal age should be lower. but it is the law and I have no issue with it being enforced whether on the street, at the beach or at a tailgate.

and I think it's ridiculous to suggest that laws should be overlooked by the cops "to build up the fan base."

So if a cop hangs out on your corner and writes you tickets every day for doing 26 in a 25, you're good with that? Will you still feel the same when you exceed 12 points in 6 days and lose your license?

 

[DJ Spanky]

I'm quoting a member of our tailgate crew who is a Detective in the MC prosecutors office.
"These guys come down here on game days to write tickets and harass people for no reason. They're stuck in the courthouse all week babysitting prisoner and have no idea on how to deal with the general public. The big guys is a total d bag and gets off on some power trip by giving anyone who looks under 40 a hard time."
This was after Bozo carded his girlfriend and questioned the validity of her ID. Finally one of Bozo' s minions recognized him from the Courthouse and gave him the heads up to back off.
Can't tell you how many time Bozo has harassed people who were minding their own business. He was also hassling a group in the front of the Blue lot this week about the pig roasting box they had set up.
We've been front row Blue lot regulars for over 10 years now, and there has never a bigger pain in the *** as this guy.

Too bad there is no picture of him to post front and center.

 

[Shelby65]

mild...that's a lousy example because only an idiot would continue to speed and get ticketed in the same place every day. such person would deserve to lose a license just for being so stupid.

but yes it would be my fault.

 

[RU to the Core]

There is a picture. It’s posted on one of the earlier pages. It sounds like the same overzealous guy in every example. I blame this guys boss for putting the incorrect resource to this assignment. You don’t send someone this trigger happy into this situation. It’s like this guy can’t help himself. Like a bug to light or sending a fat kid to a Ben and Jerry’s factory. He is going to over eat and piss everyone off.

 

[FRA10Thunderbolt]

The cops are overzealous in the parking lots. There's no question about it.

I saw an incident where the po po busted some college kids for drinking at a blue lot tailgate. The kids were being fine with all the other tailgaters and were not bothering anyone. The cops come and start issuing summonses for underage drinking, several adults in other tailgates started to vocally express their dissatisfaction with the cops bothering the peaceful tailgate but that was quickly squashed when a cop threatened to issue a summons to one of the adults in a different tailgate who was protesting the treatment of the students. The problem is the cops look at the Rutgers games as a revenue generator for the township. The revenues from the fines, pay the cops, judges and keep taxes low. I think Rutgers should denfinitely step in here and tell the cops to not bother their guests.I remember the days when you could walk right up to the gates at HPPS and drink a beer until right before walking in. Now,not so much

 

[yesrutgers01]

Can this be challenged in court? I wonder if anyone has ever done this - I would imagine you'd need significant resources to wage that battle.

Not for nothing but if these were drug sniffing dogs, how the living F would they be able to sniff out a single car amiss all the drugs are are occurring everywhere on gameday?

 

[RU4Real]

Not for nothing but if these were drug sniffing dogs, how the living F would they be able to sniff out a single car amiss all the drugs are are occurring everywhere on gameday?

There was a pervasive scent of weed in the air around the second row of the yellow lot on Saturday.

That's all I'm sayin'.

 

[RU to the Core]

The law is a law crowd is hilarious. Make sure you have the correct cover sheets on your TPS reports as well. Nerds. It’s obviously not this black and white especially when a $1,000 fine is attached to it.

 

[yesrutgers01]

They need to do as many have said, worry more about the out of control parties and disturbances. Walking up to a small to medium group that is behaving, I don't care if college kids, middle aged group or a mix, just leave them be.

 

[Shelby65]

4Real...and would you suggest cops who would ticket someone for the cannibis are in the wrong ?

 

[RU4Real]

4Real...and would you suggest cops who would ticket someone for the cannibis are in the wrong ?

I've never seen them do it.

So... not sure how much that plays into your mental gymnastics.

 

[yesrutgers01]

4Real...and would you suggest cops who would ticket someone for the cannibis are in the wrong ?

If it was something obvious, that is one thing but if it is triggering a dog to alert and use it for an illegal search, completely different. It's sort of like someone drinking a beer from a bottle and having empties all over the ground vs someone with a red cup. As fans, you need to show a little discretion and as cops, they need to as well. Feel free to ticket the dumb asses and the trouble makers but not those that are behaving and discreet,

 

[Shelby65]

real....

wouldn't that be same issue as with underage drinking ?

whether this detracts from the game experience, costs RU some fans, etc isn't relevant. they are enforcing laws. "offenders" know there's risk of getting ticketed and choose to do it anyway. too bad so sad.

 

[RU to the Core]

My guess is you would be incorrect a good number of times.

I do like your suggestion about the 5,000 solo cups.

Not basing this on which side of the argument you fall in but if you are in a group of a dozen grown adults and their kids are 21 and your son is only 20 and you site the “a law is a law son drink this soda instead” trust me you’re not the fun dad. You may think you are but you’re not.

 

[RU4Real]

real....

wouldn't that be same issue as with underage drinking ?

whether this detracts from the game experience, costs RU some fans, etc isn't relevant. they are enforcing laws. "offenders" know there's risk of getting ticketed and choose to do it anyway. too bad so sad.

There's a fundamental difference with regard to the resulting search.

Marijuana is a) illegal for all ages and b) pretty noticeable when the wind is in your favor.

So if I'm hitting my pipe and a cop smells it, sees me doing it and walks over, then shame on me.

Beer in a solo cup isn't the same thing. From a distance he has no idea what's in the cup and no one can claim to be even close to 100% accurate at guessing ages. In fact, "the subject appeared to be under 21" isn't grounds for search.

 

[RU to the Core]

Anyone who works at a big company has heard of entity level controls. The big one is tone at the top. I mention this because it must be the the tone/culture of the MCSD to just be complete scumbags. As someone else mentioned state police don’t pull you over for going 75 on the parkway. Ask any state trooper I’m sure everyone knows at least one. That’s their culture and the correct tone at the top. Your risk weight what’s important to focus on. (The guy weaving through traffic going 90 is the risk).

Just scumbaggery tone at the top and culture. Rutgers should get them out of the parking lots.

 

[Upstream]

Am disappointed but not surprised that so many people here are advocating for cops to ignore underage drinking in public.

Should it be OK for me let my kid drive if he doesn't have a license ? Or buy alcohol with fake ID ? Why can't I do a shot with my 8 year old ? Just one ! On it's face, no big deal right ?

Why should cops look the other way ? Because they are preventing people from having fun ? What if my way to have fun is to hunt bear out of season ?

Break the law and risk the consequences. Those who got caught have no one to blame but themselves.

Actually, it is not illegal for you to do a shot with your 8 year old. While it might not be advised for an 8 year old to consume a full shot of liquor, it is not a violation of the underage drinking statute for a parent to provide alcohol to an 8 year old at home.

If you are anti-alcohol, then you might object to anyone drinking at any age. But I doubt this country will go down the prohibition path again.

There is a good argument that parents who teach their underage children how to drink responsibly are creating a safer environment than those parents who prohibit their underage children from ever touching the stuff, and then having those children drink irresponsibly when they turn 21.

 

[RU4Real]

First name is 'Michael'.

 

[RU to the Core]

It’s amazing what you can find on someone using google with their name.

Not to get weird or cross the line but he owns a house that most of us on this message board would only dream of owning. I’d need to triple, actually quadruple my salary and maybe just be able to afford it. I guess it’s public info and it’s out there so search away.

 

[RU4Real]

It’s amazing what you can find on someone using google with their name.

Not to get weird or cross the line but he owns a house that most of us on this message board would only dream of owning. I’d need to triple, actually quadruple my salary and maybe just be able to afford it. I guess it’s public info and it’s out there so search away.

All that overtime.

Anybody do a compensation search yet?

Edit: Okay, that took 4 seconds.

So is it the sort of house that one might afford on $95,777 per year?