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MountaineerWV

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Letting the first strain “run it’s course” would have been disastrous.
How do you know? That is what is called an "opinion" based on facts that are not present. My opinion is based on the fact that all the recommendations and restrictions and mandates have not done anything to lower the rates or new variants. Sometimes, in science, discoveries are made by pure coincidence and accident through experimentation. Wasn't that how penicillin was created? Through an accident? Look it up.

EDIT: It wasn't disastrous in Sweden.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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It absolutely has a positive affect on hospitalizations and deaths. You just dont want to see it, always gotta be JB with the real breakdown, but the numbers are pretty clear.
Has the survival rate changed? Gone up or down since introduction of the vaccine? We definitely have more deaths after introduction of it than we had before it. People with the vaccine are still getting COVID and still dying. Are there other changes in societal behavior which also might be variables in the case count numbers versus efficacy of the vaccines? Of course.

This is a seminal event in your life that you’ve allowed to occur. It’s an example of societal weakness and an inconvenience because I’ve been forced to alter my life to adjust to the weak willed in mine.
 

dave

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I have a little faith that people dealing with this in the hospitals are concerned with public health more than funding.
You really are a naive fool. Doctors and nurses care about health. Hospital administration care about their bonus.
 

atlkvb

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Im sure there are procedural issues that cause inaccuracies, but not on a level where those tasked with knowing about this virus, dont know what the hell.
Isn't it interesting how those tasked with "knowing about this virus" refuse to acknowledge or even approve clinically proven therapeutics for treatment of it like Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, azithromycin or monoclonal anti-bodies?

Wonder why not?

I'll bet YOU know? You Big 12 "All-American" guy you!!!! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 

Boomboom521

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Pretty clear?

It's pretty clear the number have been overstated since the beginning.
I was referring to the numbers that show the differences between hospitalizations/deaths of vaccinated versus unvaccinated.
 

Boomboom521

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How do you know? That is what is called an "opinion" based on facts that are not present. My opinion is based on the fact that all the recommendations and restrictions and mandates have not done anything to lower the rates or new variants. Sometimes, in science, discoveries are made by pure coincidence and accident through experimentation. Wasn't that how penicillin was created? Through an accident? Look it up.

EDIT: It wasn't disastrous in Sweden.
Not exactly, we saw the affect of the first strain pretty clearly
 

atlkvb

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Natural immunity is always better isnt it? Letting the first strain “run it’s course” would have been disastrous. With Omicron, the thinking changes, because it is not as deadly, and people vaccinated have additional protection. Lots of variables
Good Lord Dude you are so misinformed! Most of the folks initially exposed to the virus early on SURVIVED IT!!!!!! There were no "vaccines" and it was not a death sentence (unless you had a compromised immune system or were already ill) for the vast majority of folks initially exposed who then developed natural immunity before any of these so called "vaccines" came along. What statistics were you reading?
 

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MountaineerWV

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Not exactly, we saw the affect of the first strain pretty clearly
NO, we didn't. We saw only one side of the skewed information because we only did ONE reaction to it. Sweden decided to go a different route, and their rates were MUCH LOWER than everyone else's. Government's were scared, and rightfully so, but they failed to look at alternatives out of fear of doing something wrong. Imagine if Eisenhower had used this mentality on June 5th, 1944.........we wouldn't have had June 6th.
 

atlkvb

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I have a little faith that people dealing with this in the hospitals are concerned with public health more than funding.
I have little faith folks involved in Government education are more concerned with educating kids than they are indoctrinating kids or protecting their cushy Union jobs doing less for more pay?
 

dave

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I haven't seen someone get beat down like this since the finale of "the mayor of kingstown".
 

atlkvb

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atlkvb

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I haven't seen someone get beat down like this since the finale of "the mayor of kingstown".
I'd link you to some past threads where country got hammered like boomer did in this thread, but you were part of some of those so I'm sure you'd remember.
 

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I'll 100% guarantee our resident "open minded" Truth seeker (boom boom) didn't bother to read one article you've posted here. Yet he claims he's so much better informed, and open to assess all the facts. :rolleyes:

Bohunk.
Yeah, he opened himself up wide with that statement.
 

atlkvb

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Yeah, he opened himself up wide with that statement.
It really doesn't take long for genuine fraud to expose itself.






Guess you'd know huh creepy Joe?
 

atlkvb

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Boom you may remember when Fauci and his ilk were first pushing for mass "vaccinations". Do you recall the reasoning they offered? Maybe you do, maybe you don't?...No matter, here's an article detailing what they used as justification for everyone taking these so called "vaccines", and what they're saying now about them. Read this and make your own evaluation about how truthful they were then compared to now?


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BREAKING: Dr. Fauci now says the COVID-19 vaccine will stop the spread of the virus and will protect those who are unvaccinated

This is the complete opposite of his previous position
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 19, 2021
There are currently multiple contradictory studies on whether the COVID-19 vaccine can prevent transmission

So my question again which you refuse to answer is:

Should we take the vaccine to avoid an infection or avoid getting sick? Since it won't prevent either, what is the reason for taking it much less mandating it? Now I know you won't answer that (not making any factual sense) but you do know the reason(s) why you won't correct? 🤔

 

roadtrasheer

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Like personal kickbacks to the docs listing the COD? Or the general, create a pandemic when there isnt one, deepstate conspiracy to dethrone King Trump?
Put it this way if a hospital dont make much money on calling a death from pneumonia but made money if it was Corona what would they call the death
 

Brushy Bill

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That is a tough question, because pneumonia can be caused by COVID
The director of the CDC said just last week that those dying with Covid and those dying from Covid need to be reassessed because the former was very often lumped in with the latter. The same with hospitalization numbers, those hospitalized with Covid is way larger than those hospitalized from Covid. This whole thing has been a numbers game and we've lost our collective minds over it.
 

atlkvb

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That is a tough question, because pneumonia can be caused by COVID

I have an even tougher question you won't answer. Is Covid ever the ONLY reason for a patient's death? In other words, can Covid all by itself kill you?

If the correct answer is no (that is the correct answer btw) why do you suppose the CDC or the NIH doesn't publish accurate co-morbidity statistics on all Covid related fatalities? Know what they always post as the offcial cause of death from a fatal Covid infection?

Covid.

Why do they do that? Do you know?
 

dave

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I'd link you to some past threads where country got hammered like boomer did in this thread, but you were part of some of those so I'm sure you'd remember.
I would compare that more to mocking a retarded kid with kunty. I felt uncomfortable sometimes. Boo-boo is a dsa disrupted. Blast away.
 

atlkvb

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I would compare that more to mocking a retarded kid with kunty. I felt uncomfortable sometimes. Boo-boo is a dsa disrupted. Blast away.

He's more amusing to me than country.
 

roadtrasheer

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That is a tough question, because pneumonia can be caused by COVID
Yes it can , but you are now splitting hairs. To many deaths that was not caused by covid has been blamed on covid19.
My uncle 75 2 packs a day had copd & about 200lbs over weight had covid, 1 month later he died they put a rona tag on him . Now pre covid If that same man had got the flu & died a month later would they called his death flu related? Dont think so . No matter a person's comorbidities if they have had the Corona they blame the death on covid19....its not being honest. If you have comorbidities & get the vaccine & die they blame the comorbidities.... it's not fair to us .
 

atlkvb

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There is so much more with country that happened off the board. It was good times.

I agree country was easy to mock and make fun of because even in the face of being proven flat out wrong, the little "oyster cracker" would never recognize it and would just bear down with even more intransigence marinated in uninformed ignorance.

Boomer on the other hand avoids subjects where he can easily be proven wrong with hard cold facts, and instead he adopts this comical erudite aloofness posing as someone who doesn't take sides or extreme positions, but rather he leans back and surveys all the discernable angles and perspectives to get the "whole picture". (gag me with a spoon)😏

It's comical because he'll never admit when he's demonstrably wrong as proven by the facts, but he nevertheless tries to come off as this above the partisan vermin, elite intellect who simply can't be pinned down on any position because of his multi facteted interpretations or expansive awareness of what actually is correct or True? (of course nothing ever is with him)

It's rip roarin' wholesome family entertainment watching him dance around like a Ballerina avoiding anything that exposes his arrogant intellectual myopia disguised as openness to all possibilities. 😝
 

dave

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I agree country was easy to mock and make fun of because even in the face of being proven flat out wrong, the little "oyster cracker" would never recognize it and would just bear down with even more intransigence marinated in uninformed ignorance.

Boomer on the other hand avoids subjects where he can easily be proven wrong with hard cold facts, and instead he adopts this comical erudite aloofness posing as someone who doesn't take sides or extreme positions, but rather he leans back and surveys all the discernable angles and perspectives to get the "whole picture". (gag me with a spoon)😏

It's comical because he'll never admit when he's demonstrably wrong as proven by the facts, but he nevertheless tries to come off as this above the partisan vermin, elite intellect who simply can't be pinned down on any position because of his multi facteted interpretations or expansive awareness of what actually is correct or True? (of course nothing ever is with him)

It's rip roarin' wholesome family entertainment watching him dance around like a Ballerina avoiding anything that exposes his arrogant intellectual myopia disguised as openness to all possibilities. 😝
Arrogance was someone thinking they could dig up personal information about people on here and the think they could control them by threatening to dox them. Everything about me personally has been discussed on this board at one point or another but by giving that moron the impression there was something about me I wanted to hide I created an avenue for him to think he could exploit. Then I used it to let him embarrass himself. I didn't have to find out who he was. He was talking to friends of mine to try and get dirt on me thinking they wouldn't find it creepy and tell me to watch my back.
 

atlkvb

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Arrogance was someone thinking they could dig up personal information about people on here and the think they could control them by threatening to dox them. Everything about me personally has been discussed on this board at one point or another but by giving that moron the impression there was something about me I wanted to hide I created an avenue for him to think he could exploit. Then I used it to let him embarrass himself. I didn't have to find out who he was. He was talking to friends of mine to try and get dirt on me thinking they wouldn't find it creepy and tell me to watch my back.

Country was a special kind of stupid, no argument there. Boom to his credit is very smart and reasonably well informed. He can even admit when he's unaware of something, but he'll never admit when he's wrong. NEVER!
 

wvu2007

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Arrogance was someone thinking they could dig up personal information about people on here and the think they could control them by threatening to dox them. Everything about me personally has been discussed on this board at one point or another but by giving that moron the impression there was something about me I wanted to hide I created an avenue for him to think he could exploit. Then I used it to let him embarrass himself. I didn't have to find out who he was. He was talking to friends of mine to try and get dirt on me thinking they wouldn't find it creepy and tell me to watch my back.

Ole Hot Rod lol
 

atlkvb

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Are you my student?

My guess is you're probably a decent teacher. You appear to me to at least care and you apparently do put some effort into your government mandated instruction.

Tell us though. Do you ever point out when one of your skulls full of mush students gets something wrong? If you do, why don't you ever do the same for yourself?

Just curious.😕
 
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