NBA and MLB...lmao

[Gunny46]

I think people look for it way to much. I'm a huge Oriole fan, (yes one of the few who still admits it), and I haven't seen anyone kneel since the first game and that was in solidarity prior to the anthem, they stood for the anthem. I just get so frustrated that people still to this day in our country doesn't respect the first amendment and by that I mean the protection of being able to say or do something that isn't a threat to your personal safety or well being. Would I personally kneel for the anthem, no, but I have no ill will for them doing it. I educate myself on why they do it and understand their point of view. We can go back over several issues over the years and people were up in arms when it happened and then it becomes a non issue once it becomes more accepting- gay marriage is a perfect example of how things have changed in the last decade. No one says you have to like it, but do you really need to hate someone for it and refuse to never watch again. I know my father and I have no common ground on politics but I love him even though we don't come close to agreeing on anything.

It's disrespectful to do it while the song is being played. You wouldn't want me to interrupt your daughters wedding. Why? Because it would emotionally destroy her and it's disrespectful. Same thing goes with a funeral. If I didn't like you I wouldn't show up at your funeral and show my *** by talking **** about you.. Why? Because It would be disrespectful to your family.

Everytime someone takes a knee while the song is being played our enemies smile. Why? Because it divides us as a country. This **** isn't hard. Find another way to protest instead of pissing on the memories of millions who have fought to give you those freedoms. That goes for anyone who has served in the military. Your brothers and sisters that came before you deserve better. The PFC deployed to a third world country this morning deserves better.

 

[acorn]

Find another way to protest instead of pissing on the memories of millions who have fought to give you those freedoms. That goes for anyone who has served in the military.

Those people in the military gave their lives so people have their rights, not selectively choose which right they may have. Remember, rights aren't their to protect the majority who readily agree with them. The rights are their to protect the minority opinions so they can be guaranteed to have them in spite of disapproval from the majority. There have been thousands of people who have lost their lives fighting for civil and human rights. It isn't selective rights when you agree with them and anti if you disagree with them.

 

[Gunny46]

Those people in the military gave their lives so people have their rights, not selectively choose which right they may have. Remember, rights aren't their to protect the majority who readily agree with them. The rights are their to protect the minority opinions so they can be guaranteed to have them in spite of disapproval from the majority. There have been thousands of people who have lost their lives fighting for civil and human rights. It isn't selective rights when you agree with them and anti if you disagree with them.

Nobody said shoot them for not standing. Just call them out for being Anti -American pieces of **** for not taking a few minutes to be respectful to something that is very important. You're actually spouting old school U.S.S.R propaganda giving these disrespectful brats a pass. The CCP rubs one off everytime someone writes a ******** excuse for them and hits post reply. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Seriously you are starting to sound like someone who belongs to the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[acorn]

Nobody said shoot them for not standing. Just call them out for being Anti -American pieces of **** for not taking a few minutes to be respectful to something that is very important. You're actually spouting old school U.S.S.R propaganda giving these disrespectful brats a pass. The CCP rubs one off everytime someone writes a ******** excuse for them and hits post reply. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Seriously you are starting to sound like someone who belongs to the Westboro Baptist Church.

I feel like you're more the Westboro Baptist type, trust me, religion isn't my thing. I don't begrudge anyone from partaking but I'll pass, just not my thing. It amazes me that as a society we haven't figured out that we are entitled to an opinion and we don't have to agree with someone else's but respect the fact that they have one and you can agree to disagree. Conversation and exchanging of ideas goes a lot farther than name calling and that is true on both sides. In this case I would say we can agree to disagree but you've pretty much already told me I'm wrong so while I can see all sides of an equation I'm guessing you'll never take even a second to ponder what others have been through and at least try to understand why we still have a ways to go in our society. We've come a long way but we're far from being over the top and not from a race perspective but from a gender perspective as well.

 

[Gunny46]

I feel like you're more the Westboro Baptist type, trust me, religion isn't my thing. I don't begrudge anyone from partaking but I'll pass, just not my thing. It amazes me that as a society we haven't figured out that we are entitled to an opinion and we don't have to agree with someone else's but respect the fact that they have one and you can agree to disagree. Conversation and exchanging of ideas goes a lot farther than name calling and that is true on both sides. In this case I would say we can agree to disagree but you've pretty much already told me I'm wrong so while I can see all sides of an equation I'm guessing you'll never take even a second to ponder what others have been through and at least try to understand why we still have a ways to go in our society. We've come a long way but we're far from being over the top and not from a race perspective but from a gender perspective as well.

Sounds like something a CCP wumao would post. Kneeling for the National Anthem isn't going to draw any positive attention to your cause. It's only going to divide. ITS ONLY GOING TO DIVIDE. That's why they are doing it. Its a propaganda TTP. Its not mandatory fun. Its simply paying respect to our country. Its something you should do for a foreign country when visiting.

Here's a list of groups that would also say it's ok to not stand for the our National Anthem.

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

Foreign Terrorist Organizations
BUREAU OF COUNTERTERRORISM

 

[acorn]

Sounds like something a CCP wumao would post. Kneeling for the National Anthem isn't going to draw any positive attention to your cause. It's only going to divide. ITS ONLY GOING TO DIVIDE.

Or maybe, just maybe, we fix those obvious societal issues that we currently have and truly have equality of all persons under the law and then there won't be a need for a protest. I bet a lot of loyalist like you were pissed off at that damn Boston Tea Party and those colonists that were demanding their rights and equal treatment, but hey, they were white males, so it was ok. Just for the record, I'm a 59 year old white male in a very strong conservative, pro Trump county. The amount of hatred for people who don't look like them in this area is disgusting.

 

[Gunny46]

Or maybe, just maybe, we fix those obvious societal issues that we currently have and truly have equality of all persons under the law and then there won't be a need for a protest. I bet a lot of loyalist like you were pissed off at that damn Boston Tea Party and those colonists that were demanding their rights and equal treatment, but hey, they were white males, so it was ok. Just for the record, I'm a 59 year old white male in a very strong conservative, pro Trump county. The amount of hatred for people who don't look like them in this area is disgusting.

Congratulations you squeezed in about 5 propaganda techniques into that batshit crazy *** post. When I have more time I will break down each sentence and explain to everyone what your ISIS loving *** is attempting to do. Taking a knee is only going to cause more division. If your goal is to bring about unity then you remove it from the playbook. Everytime it's used Hamas, Hezzbollah, ISIS, and the CCP rub one off.

 

[dave]

Or maybe, just maybe, we fix those obvious societal issues that we currently have and truly have equality of all persons under the law and then there won't be a need for a protest. I bet a lot of loyalist like you were pissed off at that damn Boston Tea Party and those colonists that were demanding their rights and equal treatment, but hey, they were white males, so it was ok. Just for the record, I'm a 59 year old white male in a very strong conservative, pro Trump county. The amount of hatred for people who don't look like them in this area is disgusting.

Obvious societal issues? The only obvious issue right now is a bunch of people who want to whine and ***** instead of doing their job.

 

[Gunny46]

 

[Gunny46]

 

[Gunny46]

 

[spartansstink]

Or maybe, just maybe, we fix those obvious societal issues that we currently have and truly have equality of all persons under the law and then there won't be a need for a protest. I bet a lot of loyalist like you were pissed off at that damn Boston Tea Party and those colonists that were demanding their rights and equal treatment, but hey, they were white males, so it was ok. Just for the record, I'm a 59 year old white male in a very strong conservative, pro Trump county. The amount of hatred for people who don't look like them in this area is disgusting.

I have largely agreed with most of what you have posted so far. We should all understand that while kneeling for the flag is a right, that doesn't mean that it is right. We must be able to distinguish between the two. The folks on the right need to learn this lesson as much as those on the left.

Still, we must also understand there is a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. There was a time when there was a real differentiation in the equality of opportunity (Jim Crow laws, etc.) but those barriers have largely been broken down today.

What the left (and it is largely a leftist belief) sees as an inequality of opportunity isn't, it's an inequality of outcome and those are more the results of class and culture than anything else.That's why the same problems you see with inner-city black youth you also see in Appalachian white youth. It's where one puts their values that largely determines their outcome and until we begin to change that perspective then nothing else is really going to matter.

 

[WVURobinHood]

Boogaloo...Qanon...gun sales up!

Yep...the crazies are more crazy than usual right now.

The angry whites will NOT go out without doing something awful I fear.

lost indeed...

 

[Gunny46]

I have largely agreed with most of what you have posted so far. We should all understand that while kneeling for the flag is a right, that doesn't mean that it is right. We must be able to distinguish between the two. The folks on the right need to learn this lesson as much as those on the left.

Still, we must also understand there is a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. There was a time when there was a real differentiation in the equality of opportunity (Jim Crow laws, etc.) but those barriers have largely been broken down today.

What the left (and it is largely a leftist belief) sees as an inequality of opportunity isn't, it's an inequality of outcome and those are more the results of class and culture than anything else.That's why the same problems you see with inner-city black youth you also see in Appalachian white youth. It's where one puts their values that largely determines their outcome and until we begin to change that perspective then nothing else is really going to matter.

He knows all that. [winking]

 

[WVURobinHood]

Ultimately what many have an issue with is what exactly are they protesting? I still haven’t seen someone give a clear explanation how not standing for the anthem is equated to any of the issues they want to bring to light. Do black lives matter? Of course they do! But what does kneeling during the anthem have anything to do with that? The anthem was written by someone who owned slaves and our original flag was made by someone who owned them. Is that it? Certainly they don’t suggest the flag and the anthem itself have anything to do with racism. The song is about seeing the flag flying high in the midst of adversity. The flag it self has 50 stars and 13 stripes to represent the unity of our states and former colonies. I just don’t get it. I don’t get upset if someone kneels. I understand it’s their prerogative. It just doesn’t make sense.

People watch sports to escape the daily grind and the real or perceived problems in our country and the world. Why would I want to watch an event whereby it starts with a protest which isn't clearly defined in the first place.
This whole kneeling was started by a guy who lost his starting QB job and happened onto some fine activist tail. Its amazing to me that so many people are and continue to duped by this guy.
But here we are......living in a world where I can watch a woman on Last Chance U say she moved away from San Diego because it was " too white" and never once felt there would be any backlash to such a racist statement ( and she was right ).
Can we be honest and imagine if a white wife of a coach said she moved away from Oakland because it was too black or too hispanic? She would be under constant assault at this very moment. Hell there would be panels discussing it on every bias *** news network...

F'ing whole world ate up with moronic dumb asses.

 

[Cornbread_rivals384838]

I wonder what these guys would do if events decided to not play the National Anthem before games? Where would their platform move next? I’d quit giving them a platform for their protests... especially when the majority probably don’t even understand what they are supposedly protesting. If you have it so bad and can’t respect your country who has awarded you the opportunity that you have to be a zillionaire....GTFO... nobody keeping them here. If it is so bad... leave already. I get people have issues that need awareness but the way some are going about it is sickening to me. This country is upside down in a big way at the moment. Guess I’m too old school. Let the “pussification” of America continue...

 

[Gunny46]

I wonder what these guys would do if events decided to not play the National Anthem before games? Where would their platform move next? I’d quit giving them a platform for their protests... especially when the majority probably don’t even understand what they are supposedly protesting. If you have it so bad and can’t respect your country who has awarded you the opportunity that you have to be a zillionaire....GTFO... nobody keeping them here. If it is so bad... leave already. I get people have issues that need awareness but the way some are going about it is sickening to me. This country is upside down in a big way at the moment. Guess I’m too old school. Let the “pussification” of America continue...

Not playing it is what THEY want.

THEY
https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

 

[acorn]

Still, we must also understand there is a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.

I definitely agree with a lot of what you've stated here but I'm not about equality of outcome, I'm a firm believer in equality of opportunity. My biggest concern is with items revolving around profiling, etc. My father and I have very different political views and unfortunately he is an example of my frustration from this perspective- if he sees a black person driving a Mercedes, he immediately says I wonder what he stole to get that. Absolutely wrong, I'm very much against that line of thought. Also, quite frankly scenarios where I could be walking down the street and I'm not deemed a threat so no one eyes me, but if a black person walks down the street, there may be people eyeing them to see if they walk in their store or about to do something. I just struggle with how people have a preconceived notion of how people are based on how they look, not who they are. That is where my frustration lies and I thank you for a having a conversation as opposed to telling me how subversive I am, when in reality, I just want people to get a long. Sly and the Family Stone- everyday people, Red, white, black, yellow, polka dot, I don't care who they are and what they look like, I'd just like to see kinder, gentler world. Obviously, way to much to ask.

 

[Gunny46]

I definitely agree with a lot of what you've stated here but I'm not about equality of outcome, I'm a firm believer in equality of opportunity. My biggest concern is with items revolving around profiling, etc. My father and I have very different political views and unfortunately he is an example of my frustration from this perspective- if he sees a black person driving a Mercedes, he immediately says I wonder what he stole to get that. Absolutely wrong, I'm very much against that line of thought. Also, quite frankly scenarios where I could be walking down the street and I'm not deemed a threat so no one eyes me, but if a black person walks down the street, there may be people eyeing them to see if they walk in their store or about to do something. I just struggle with how people have a preconceived notion of how people are based on how they look, not who they are. That is where my frustration lies and I thank you for a having a conversation as opposed to telling me how subversive I am, when in reality, I just want people to get a long. Sly and the Family Stone- everyday people, Red, white, black, yellow, polka dot, I don't care who they are and what they look like, I'd just like to see kinder, gentler world. Obviously, way to much to ask.

Sounds like you might have some Daddy Issues.

 

[Gunny46]

 

[spartansstink]

I definitely agree with a lot of what you've stated here but I'm not about equality of outcome, I'm a firm believer in equality of opportunity. My biggest concern is with items revolving around profiling, etc. My father and I have very different political views and unfortunately he is an example of my frustration from this perspective- if he sees a black person driving a Mercedes, he immediately says I wonder what he stole to get that. Absolutely wrong, I'm very much against that line of thought. Also, quite frankly scenarios where I could be walking down the street and I'm not deemed a threat so no one eyes me, but if a black person walks down the street, there may be people eyeing them to see if they walk in their store or about to do something. I just struggle with how people have a preconceived notion of how people are based on how they look, not who they are. That is where my frustration lies and I thank you for a having a conversation as opposed to telling me how subversive I am, when in reality, I just want people to get a long. Sly and the Family Stone- everyday people, Red, white, black, yellow, polka dot, I don't care who they are and what they look like, I'd just like to see kinder, gentler world. Obviously, way to much to ask.

People's perceptions come from many sources. Some out of ignorance. Some out of fear. But, for some, it comes from reality.

For example, teachers see ignorance everyday and work to improve it. So, when talking to one, they often "talk down" to people or appear condescending when in fact its just what they deal with all the time. They "profile" parents all the time. Another example is the police. They deal with criminals every day, have to hang out in high crime areas, and therefore perceive people as criminals until proven otherwise. There is a tight bond between both groups, teachers and officers, because of shared experiences. These are just two groups, there are others as well.

Some get frustrated because others have different perspectives than they. Yet, they rarely ask why that person holds those beliefs. They just automatically feel the other person is in the wrong without understanding from where he/she is getting their point of view, which may or may not be justifiable.

Just an add-on here: I don't feel we ever become fully adults until we understand that our parents, for all their mistakes and foibles, for all their dreams failed and achieved, are human just like us. We want to hold them up on a pedestal, yet it doesn't take much to tip that pedestal over in our eyes.

 

[Gunny46]

 

[Gunny46]

 

[acorn]

ounds like you might have some Daddy Issues.

Actually just the opposite, I respect him very much, he actually lives with me and we talk regularly. I do odd jobs for him and he does for my wife and I. I regularly ask for his advice with money since he is a retired CEO of a bank. I just cringe when he uses language he shouldn't use to describe people or makes unsubstantiated comments. My son and I are very closely aligned politically but it bothers me that he thinks his side is right and if you have a different opinion your wrong. I try to sit back and take everything in and draw my conclusions based on the big picture as best I can. In the future I may be right or I may be wrong but we won't know until things play out. I just hope around long enough to see Dr. King's dream actually come to fruition. I try to do as much research as I can on particular issues, that isn't slanted- which is extremely difficult nowadays and I don't allow something that differs from me to affect my take on an individual no matter how much I may disagree with something say or believe.

 

[Gunny46]

Actually just the opposite, I respect him very much, he actually lives with me and we talk regularly. I do odd jobs for him and he does for my wife and I. I regularly ask for his advice with money since he is a retired CEO of a bank. I just cringe when he uses language he shouldn't use to describe people or makes unsubstantiated comments. My son and I are very closely aligned politically but it bothers me that he thinks his side is right and if you have a different opinion your wrong. I try to sit back and take everything in and draw my conclusions based on the big picture as best I can. In the future I may be right or I may be wrong but we won't know until things play out. I just hope around long enough to see Dr. King's dream actually come to fruition. I try to do as much research as I can on particular issues, that isn't slanted- which is extremely difficult nowadays and I don't allow something that differs from me to affect my take on an individual no matter how much I may disagree with something say or believe.

There are Americans that are not white that would prefer you stand for the anthem. Not standing isn't a winning strategy to build unity. It will only cause division. Those asking people to do it know this. You can also put me on the not ok with this list. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: