He - she - why do you care so much?

[Boomboom521]

You know mental illness exists in nature, right?

In practical terms, I would call someone what they appear to want to be called. So if a guy is dressed like a woman then it seems like they want to be called "she" even though it's obviously a biological male and I'll gladly comply. It's the easiest thing to do.

But the problem is, that's not good enough for lots of people. They want me to stop my life and dwell on whatever is going on inside their brain with all these issues. It's a form of self-absorption. Anyone should be able to do/be whatever they want but OTOH people shouldn't be forced to dwell on the inner lives of others.

But that said, all this would be moot if we have just one word instead "he" and "she" and if we had another single word instead of "his" and "hers," etc.

i hear you, and that’s the point of this thread- why do people care to keep this debate ongoing? The teachers that refused to identify students in a public school in the sex they chose were fired, they are suing on grounds of religious tolerance.

It’s just ridiculous to me that so many people think they know what’s best, or what’s right, or what’s normal for others. Let go of the ridigity and absolutism and be American and accepting.

What’s even weirder to me is that those that throw their judgement onto others are the ones whining about how people need to accept other’s thoughts and ideas. And they don’t see the irony.

 

[op2]

In practical terms, let's imagine what would happen if it became the norm for everybody to have their own pronouns. We currently have 4 pronouns (he, she, his, hers). We have 330 million people in this country. If each of them get to pick their own pronouns we'll have 660 million words. So we'd be going from 4 to 660,000,000. When we could just go to 2 instead.

 

[Boomboom521]

It's a big deal for several reasons. Because of identity politics it is an opportunity for a vote and to portray a politician cares. Just look at policy proposals in the area. Which leads to another reason, money. Policy proposes generally involve money as an entitlement. So if a politician projects caring they can create a program where money is involved. With money comes benefits. Politicians can project caring, for a vote, to have laws created to create a benefit related to the issue. With benefits comes the issue of who is going to pay for the surgeries. Absolutely every self-professed transgendered I've cared for wanting surgery has mental illness. I am not saying transgender equals mental illness, however my experience with those wanting surgery are.

So it matters because of identity politics, projection of a false narrative, votes, entitlements, and money and much more I am not aware of.

Ok, but what is the “false narrative”?

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

The idea is, you're implying that sex that can't results in reproduction must be a mental illness so I tried to come with with people that can't reproduce but obviously aren't mentally ill. The correct criticism of it though is that they could reproduce at one time.

But then again, some people can't reproduce even when they're young for whatever reason.

All that aside though, why is homosexuality a mental illness? I mean, since "mental illness" is vague you could define anything to be it, but if people want to be gay and it doesn't hurt anyone else and it makes them happy, why should it be defined as a mental illness?

No one is stopping them from being gay. However, it doesn’t excuse it from being a mental illness. The point is, and was, stop demanding others to conform to your illness. And stop enabling it by demanding healthcare to change to accommodate your mental illness.

 

[BigLickMountee]

Ok, but what is the “false narrative”?

does a used car salesman care if you have the oil changed after buying the car? Some literally do, most will tell you they do at the time of purchase, but once you are out the door, who cares. The car's been bought.

 

[op2]

No one is stopping them from being gay. However, it doesn’t excuse it from being a mental illness. The point is, and was, stop demanding others to conform to your illness. And stop enabling it by demanding healthcare to change to accommodate your mental illness.

But why do you think it's a mental illness? I don't mean in the terms of, the doctors in charge of defining mental illness say it's not a mental illness and thus in literal terms you're incorrect, I mean why do you think it should be (or "is" if you prefer) a mental illness?

 

[Boomboom521]

No one is stopping them from being gay. However, it doesn’t excuse it from being a mental illness. The point is, and was, stop demanding others to conform to your illness. And stop enabling it by demanding healthcare to change to accommodate your mental illness.

Thats ridiculous. I’m all for supporting the homosexual and transsexual communities, but would be adamantly against using tax payer funds for reassignment surgery.

Demanding that society open their minds isn’t a ridiculous endeavor though, jags keep things for progressing - all in the name of what? Christ? Stubbornness? Being right?

 

[Boomboom521]

does a used car salesman care if you have the oil changed after buying the car? Some literally do, most will tell you they do at the time of purchase, but once you are out the door, who cares. The car's been bought.

I’m assuming you’re saying that once someone transitions, none of this matters because they’ll use the bathroom in which they identify and be referred to as the gender in which they identify — and that keeping this as a talking point is simply just another Democrat identity politics strategy at creating an issue where there really is none????

There are many cases to the contrary though.

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

Thats ridiculous. I’m all for supporting the homosexual and transsexual communities, but would be adamantly against using tax payer funds for reassignment surgery.

Demanding that society open their minds isn’t a ridiculous endeavor though, jags keep things for progressing - all in the name of what? Christ? Stubbornness? Being right?

Actually you’re being ridiculous. What’s the difference between being gay/transgender and a pedophile? Should we allow pedophiles to be with children next? It’s Pandora’s box. And you know it. It’s mental illness.

 

[BigLickMountee]

I’m assuming you’re saying that once someone transitions, none of this matters because they’ll use the bathroom in which they identify and be referred to as the gender in which they identify — and that keeping this as a talking point is simply just another Democrat identity politics strategy at creating an issue where there really is none????

There are many cases to the contrary though.

you'll have to define for me what "once someone transitions" mean? My experience is limited resolution to the end state of the transition. Once they have the surgery or hormone therapy they are still struggling with their identity. I have yet to see a patient "complete" a transition.

You asked why it mattered and I gave you political and economic reasons. The social reasons are fairly evident.

 

[Boomboom521]

Actually you’re being ridiculous. What’s the difference between being gay/transgender and a pedophile? Should we allow pedophiles to be with children next? It’s Pandora’s box. And you know it. It’s mental illness.

Wow! That Association is fvcking bonkers in my opinion.

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

Wow! That Association is fvcking bonkers in my opinion.

How is it any different?

 

[Boomboom521]

you'll have to define for me what "once someone transitions" mean? My experience is limited resolution to the end state of the transition. Once they have the surgery or hormone therapy they are still struggling with their identity. I have yet to see a patient "complete" a transition.

You asked why it mattered and I gave you political and economic reasons. The social reasons are fairly evident.

I was just trying to make sense of your post.

Transition to me is the public move to present to others as the opposite sex. Much like “coming out” for homosexuals.

 

[op2]

How is it any different?

Because being gay/transgender doesn't by necessity involve a desire to rape children.

 

[dave]

Gender identification, imo, has more to do with the spectrum of femininity and masculinity than it does with scientific sexual identification. Gender identity in a social sense isn’t a lie, it is identifying where on that spectrum someone lies.

I dont know the whole story on these cases. I dont care what people want to be called. I respect them. I have family that is transgender and it is hard to not call him him the name I have known him since birth but I still respect her feelings.

I dont agree with people suing because people accidently use the wrong pronoun but if they purposefully do itthey are probably in trouble at work at least.

 

[Boomboom521]

How is it any different?

Of how it effects others, and it’s danger to others.

 

[Boomboom521]

I dont know the whole story on these cases. I dont care what people want to be called. I respect them. I have family that is transgender and it is hard to not call him him the name I have known him since birth but I still respect her feelings.

I dont agree with people suing because people accidently use the wrong pronoun but if they purposefully do itthey are probably in trouble at work at least.

This is American to me.

 

[BigLickMountee]

I was just trying to make sense of your post.

Transition to me is the public move to present to others as the opposite sex. Much like “coming out” for homosexuals.

then we are discussing two points of view.

So what do you disagree with me about in my posts on this topic?

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

Because being gay/transgender doesn't by necessity involve a desire to rape children.

Of how it effects others, and it’s danger to others.

Using your logic, what if the child mutually consents? Gay is a sexual desire to same sex. Pedophilia is sexual desire to children. No difference. It’s mental illness

 

[BigLickMountee]

Because being gay/transgender doesn't by necessity involve a desire to rape children.

it does with pedophilia. the homosexual nature of men raping boys does involve desire.

 

[roadtrasheer]

That's actually a good idea. Everybody gets to come up with their own pronouns on the condition that the words they use be insults to themselves.

Lol ..I do get called a a$$hole a lot ..its not a insult, it's a badge of honor...
My ex, my kids , my helpers, my apprentice, my bosses.....& even my current girlfriend......lol ..I think mom even calls me one

 

[BigLickMountee]

Using your logic, what if the child mutually consents? Gay is a sexual desire to same sex. Pedophilia is sexual desire to children. No difference. It’s mental illness

interesting we both posted the near same answer at the same time.

 

[op2]

Using your logic, what if the child mutually consents? Gay is a sexual desire to same sex. Pedophilia is sexual desire to children. No difference. It’s mental illness

If you're below the age of consent you can't consent. That's called statutory rape.

"Gay is a sexual desire to same sex. Pedophilia is sexual desire to children. No difference."

You very clearly state exactly what the difference is between the two and then you say "No difference."

 

[Boomboom521]

then we are discussing two points of view.

So what do you disagree with me about in my posts on this topic?

I don’t think it’s a false narrative to suggest that advocating for Trans Rights is needed.

 

[op2]

Lol ..I do get called a a$$hole a lot ..its not a insult, it's a badge of honor...
My ex, my kids , my helpers, my apprentice, my bosses.....& even my current girlfriend......lol ..I think mom even calls me one

This is pretty old so I assume you've heard it by now but in case not, check it out. I love this.

 

[Boomboom521]

Using your logic, what if the child mutually consents? Gay is a sexual desire to same sex. Pedophilia is sexual desire to children. No difference. It’s mental illness

If the “child” is 18, I don’t care - if under, than we don’t consider that consent valid do we? We don’t in cases of healthcare, or pretty much anything else in our country do we?

 

[Boomboom521]

it does with pedophilia. the homosexual nature of men raping boys does involve desire.

This post is very ignorant

 

[BigLickMountee]

This post is very ignorant

what is ignorant about it?

You are misinformed if you don't think desire is a part of homosexual men who rape boys. Desire is part of heterosexual men who rape girls.

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

If you're below the age of consent you can't consent. That's called statutory rape.

"Gay is a sexual desire to same sex. Pedophilia is sexual desire to children. No difference."

You very clearly state exactly what the difference is between the two and then you say "No difference."

If the “child” is 18, I don’t care - if under, than we don’t consider that consent valid do we? We don’t in cases of healthcare, or pretty much anything else in our country do we?

This post is very ignorant

Using your logic earlier, the statutory rape claim is based on opinion. Right? The law is based on a principle of opinion. Right? And if both child and adult consent, how is it any different than 2 homosexuals? The Bible condemns it. Isn’t that based on a law? Both are mental illness.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Actually you’re being ridiculous. What’s the difference between being gay/transgender and a pedophile? Should we allow pedophiles to be with children next? It’s Pandora’s box. And you know it. It’s mental illness.

You're an idiot.

 

[Airport]

Again, a very simple approach that doesn’t take into account chromosomes, genes, testosterone levels as a part of the mix, not to mention social constructs of gender and sex norms.

That very basic and uninformed argument doesn’t change the why though. WHY? Why does it matter to you personally if someone transitions or seeks to cross identify?

Don’t give a crap, don’t force your identity onto others. If you still a male, compete and use appropriate bathrooms

 

[BigLickMountee]

If the “child” is 18, I don’t care - if under, than we don’t consider that consent valid do we? We don’t in cases of healthcare, or pretty much anything else in our country do we?

age of consent varies by state. I am guessing the nature of consent varies too, e.g. marriage, sex, abortion, etc.

 

[atlkvb]

If a male identifies as a straw, can he ask a woman to suck him without being arrested? Asking for a friend.

I burst out laughing after reading this post. You are one sick individual I swear! :joy:

 

[op2]

Using your logic earlier, the statutory rape claim is based on opinion. Right? The law is based on a principle of opinion. Right? And if both child and adult consent, how is it any different than 2 homosexuals? The Bible condemns it. Isn’t that based on a law? Both are mental illness.

Using that same logic, how it is different than 2 heterosexuals?

 

[Boomboom521]

what is ignorant about it?

You are misinformed if you don't think desire is a part of homosexual men who rape boys. Desire is part of heterosexual men who rape girls.

Sorry maybe I just misread the op. It seemed as if you were equating desire for homosexual intercourse with the desire for rape.

Rape is forced onto another, comparing rape of any type and sexual preference is just a foolish comparison.

 

[Boomboom521]

age of consent varies by state. I am guessing the nature of consent varies too, e.g. marriage, sex, abortion, etc.

Instead of 18 I guess I should have said “age of consent” then

 

[Boomboom521]

Don’t give a crap, don’t force your identity onto others. If you still a male, compete and use appropriate bathrooms

The sports argument I get. The bathroom argument I don’t.

 

[BigLickMountee]

Sorry maybe I just misread the op. It seemed as if you were equating desire for homosexual intercourse with the desire for rape.

Rape is forced onto another, comparing rape of any type and sexual preference is just a foolish comparison.

that force is motivated by desire. not sure I said desire for intercourse. I did say the desire to rape is present in both sexuality classifications when raping others.

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

Using that same logic, how it is different than 2 heterosexuals?

How? You can reproduce. Reproduction is the meaning of life. Everything else is just a distraction

 

[Airport]

The sports argument I get. The bathroom argument I don’t.

Obviously, you have issues. Males should use males, even if they claim to be female.