He - she - why do you care so much?

[Boomboom521]

Lawsuits in three states by teachers claiming they had to choose job over religion in calling students by chosen pronoun????

Why the aggressiveness towards preventing transsexual identification?

Is it religious?

Is it safety?

What, honestly, does it matter to you if someone wants to identify as the opposite sex?

Other than advantages in sport, I don’t see an issue.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Lawsuits in three states by teachers claiming they had to choose job over religion in calling students by chosen pronoun????

Why the aggressiveness towards preventing transsexual identification?

Is it religious?

Is it safety?

What, honestly, does it matter to you if someone wants to identify as the opposite sex?

Other than advantages in sport, I don’t see an issue.

Sports and bathroom concerns. Otherwise call yourself a Martian for all I care. Just don't expect me to believe your madness.

 

[Mntneer]

I don't. Pretend to be whatever you want. But don't legislate language on me, or expect me to accommodate it.

Like THE. I see it being abused in sports, and think it's ridiculous.

Then again.... I feel like a dolphin.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I don't. Pretend to be whatever you want. But don't legislate language on me, or expect me to accommodate it.

Like THE. I see it being abused in sports, and think it's ridiculous.

Then again.... I feel like a dolphin.

If you're a teacher (which I know you are not), you should expect to be courteous, respectful and professional enough to conduct yourself toward your students in a respectful manner.

Society as a whole has become a "f'uck you" attitude and "to hell with others," especially among the trumpers.

 

[EEResistable]

If you're a teacher (which I know you are not), you should expect to be courteous, respectful and professional enough to conduct yourself toward your students in a respectful manner.

Society as a whole has become a "f'uck you" attitude and "to hell with others," especially among the trumpers.

You can't be serious. You liberals will not tolerate anyone or anything that doesn't fit your world view.

 

[TarHeelEer]

If you're a teacher (which I know you are not), you should expect to be courteous, respectful and professional enough to conduct yourself toward your students in a respectful manner.

Society as a whole has become a "f'uck you" attitude and "to hell with others," especially among the trumpers.

If you call yourself black, have at it. But I'm gonna tell you that you're straight up a white redneck.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

If you're a teacher (which I know you are not), you should expect to be courteous, respectful and professional enough to conduct yourself toward your students in a respectful manner.

Society as a whole has become a "f'uck you" attitude and "to hell with others," especially among the trumpers.

Unmmmm, Sweety? The left has labeled anyone who opposes their thoughts on social issues as every -ist and -ism imaginable and that started long before Trump came on the scene. It was all deference to the progressive movements.

The thought police is not associated in anyway with the right.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Lawsuits in three states by teachers claiming they had to choose job over religion in calling students by chosen pronoun????

Why the aggressiveness towards preventing transsexual identification?

Is it religious?

Is it safety?

What, honestly, does it matter to you if someone wants to identify as the opposite sex?

Other than advantages in sport, I don’t see an issue.

me personally? I don’t care. Call yourself whatever you want, I’ll respect it, but it doesn’t change the science. I’ve enjoyed not having to discuss this stupid **** the last 3 years.

 

[jpoppa]

Lawsuits in three states by teachers claiming they had to choose job over religion in calling students by chosen pronoun????

Why the aggressiveness towards preventing transsexual identification?

Is it religious?

Is it safety?

What, honestly, does it matter to you if someone wants to identify as the opposite sex?

Other than advantages in sport, I don’t see an issue.

Biological realism...Don't get upset at me if I don't play along. I have a ton of friends that are gay/lesbians and I understand that and respect it but I just can't get behind the tranny argument. The sports thing rally bugs me....Talk about the real War on women. That's its...When a dude wins woman of the year lol that's a slap in the face to every woman that lives on this World

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

Lawsuits in three states by teachers claiming they had to choose job over religion in calling students by chosen pronoun????

Why the aggressiveness towards preventing transsexual identification?

Is it religious?

Is it safety?

What, honestly, does it matter to you if someone wants to identify as the opposite sex?

Other than advantages in sport, I don’t see an issue.

Because it’s enabling mental illness. Why do you democrats care about providing universal healthcare so much to sick people, but don’t care about the mentally ill receiving treatment?

 

[Boomboom521]

me personally? I don’t care. Call yourself whatever you want, I’ll respect it, but it doesn’t change the science. I’ve enjoyed not having to discuss this stupid **** the last 3 years.

My point is that it’s not stupid to the people wanting to identify differently. Science - psychology - who gives a flip? I just don’t understand why it’s such a big deal, that’s it’s got to drag on.

Truth is - someone even not passable that I don’t know, if I meet them in any public situation, I’m calling them the sex they are dressed as, because I’ll assume and not want to be rude. If I really don’t know - I will avoid it (like when I forget someone’s name).

But these are people that know someone’s real sex adamantly and stubbornly refusing to allow a cross identification. Teachers nonetheless - I just don’t get it. Regulate sports, the rest is ridiculous to fight against, imo.

 

[jpoppa]

My point is that it’s not stupid to the people wanting to identify differently. Science - psychology - who gives a flip? I just don’t understand why it’s such a big deal, that’s it’s got to drag on.

Truth is - someone even not passable that I don’t know, if I meet them in any public situation, I’m calling them the sex they are dressed as, because I’ll assume and not want to be rude. If I really don’t know - I will avoid it (like when I forget someone’s name).

But these are people that know someone’s real sex adamantly and stubbornly refusing to allow a cross identification. Teachers nonetheless - I just don’t get it. Regulate sports, the rest is ridiculous to fight against, imo.

So reassuring lies is better than inconvenient truths.

 

[Boomboom521]

Because it’s enabling mental illness. Why do you democrats care about providing universal healthcare so much to sick people, but don’t care about the mentally ill receiving treatment?

That’s an opinion, and even when conceding that cross identification is nothing that has to do with someones natural physical makeup, it’s still an opinion to claim cross identification is mental illness. The act of cross identifying could be a healthy act, allowing repression or lack of self confidence to no longer negatively effect the mental health of the person choosing cross identification.

You know little if anything about the process, the person, or what is healthy for others in general — other than THINKING you know best, do you have a reason?

 

[Boomboom521]

So reassuring lies is better than inconvenient truths.

It is a much more complicated issue than you make it out to be

 

[Boomboom521]

So reassuring lies is better than inconvenient truths.

Gender identification, imo, has more to do with the spectrum of femininity and masculinity than it does with scientific sexual identification. Gender identity in a social sense isn’t a lie, it is identifying where on that spectrum someone lies.

 

[jpoppa]

It is a much more complicated issue than you make it out to be

may be but at the end of the day it is still a lie. The suicide rate when someone transitions is astronomical. There is a break down somewhere because of the high rate of suicides. Normality goes out the window when you see the statistics

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

That’s an opinion, and even when conceding that cross identification is nothing that has to do with someones natural physical makeup, it’s still an opinion to claim cross identification is mental illness. The act of cross identifying could be a healthy act, allowing repression or lack of self confidence to no longer negatively effect the mental health of the person choosing cross identification.

You know little if anything about the process, the person, or what is healthy for others in general — other than THINKING you know best, do you have a reason?

Actually the leading authority in psychology agrees with me. He was shunned for his expertise in the field. I also work in healthcare. So don’t tell me I don’t know Better.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

 

[JWG66]

Unmmmm, Sweety? The left has labeled anyone who opposes their thoughts on social issues as every -ist and -ism imaginable and that started long before Trump came on the scene. It was all deference to the progressive movements.

The thought police is not associated in anyway with the right.

Well stated.

 

[Boomboom521]

may be but at the end of the day it is still a lie. The suicide rate when someone transitions is astronomical. There is a break down somewhere because of the high rate of suicides. Normality goes out the window when you see the statistics

The majority of these attempts are made because of lack of social acceptance, family support, and bullying/shaming in a vastly digital social world.

My point is the greater the acceptance, the numbers would drop.

What is your suggestion for those that choose cross identification to aid their “mental illness” as you see it?

 

[Boomboom521]

Actually the leading authority in psychology agrees with me. He was shunned for his expertise in the field. I also work in healthcare. So don’t tell me I don’t know Better.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

Isn’t transitioning an actual treatment for gender dysphoria?

My assertion that you don’t know better has to do with the fact you don’t know what’s better for someone who cross identifies.

 

[Boomboom521]

Unmmmm, Sweety? The left has labeled anyone who opposes their thoughts on social issues as every -ist and -ism imaginable and that started long before Trump came on the scene. It was all deference to the progressive movements.

The thought police is not associated in anyway with the right.

I think there are plenty of examples in this very thread of rightwing thought police, stop being so obtuse.

 

[Airport]

If a male identifies as a straw, can he ask a woman to suck him without being arrested? Asking for a friend.

 

[Airport]

I think there are plenty of examples in this very thread of rightwing thought police, stop being so obtuse.

You are either male or female, until you undergo a sex change operation.

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

Isn’t transitioning an actual treatment for gender dysphoria?

My assertion that you don’t know better has to do with the fact you don’t know what’s better for someone who cross identifies.

Its actually not. Dr McHugh said that in the article. If you want to dress like a woman, that’s your illness. But don’t expect normal people to conform to your illness. And don’t expect healthcare to conform to your illness either.

 

[op2]

Here's an idea. How about instead of having one set of words for males and another set for females, we just have one set of words for anybody? I mean, in an ambiguous situation now we already have to say "He or she" or "His or her." Or we just say "He" and females get pissed off. Or we just say "She" and males get pissed off. Or we say "He or she" and females get pissed off because their pronoun isn't first.

It's all completely ridiculous. And of course, you have to accommodate people that want a pronoun other than "he" or "she."

When I use "he" or "she," I'm not making some kind of statement about a persons identity. It's just a shorthand. If you have to remember separate pronouns for everybody then you might as well just say everybody's name instead. Everybody having their own pronouns is like everybody having three names instead of just one.

Part of all this is the creeping authoritarianism in our society. It's partly about someone forcing you to use words they want you to use. Are the people that want everyone to have their own pronouns really going to be okay with ANY pronoun? I can imagine people making up pronouns that they don't like and suddenly they'll no long be on that train.

 

[Boomboom521]

If a male identifies as a straw, can he ask a woman to suck him without being arrested? Asking for a friend.

That was good

 

[roadtrasheer]

Here's an idea. How about instead of having one set of words for males and another set for females, we just have one set of words for anybody? I mean, in an ambiguous situation now we already have to say "He or she" or "His or her." Or we just say "He" and females get pissed off. Or we just say "She" and males get pissed off. Or we say "He or she" and females get pissed off because their pronoun isn't first.

It's all completely ridiculous. And of course, you have to accommodate people that want a pronoun other than "he" or "she."

When I use "he" or "she," I'm not making some kind of statement about a persons identity. It's just a shorthand. If you have to remember separate pronouns for everybody then you might as well just say everybody's name instead. Everybody having their own pronouns is like everybody having three names instead of just one.

Part of all this is the creeping authoritarianism in our society. It's partly about someone forcing you to use words they want you to use. Are the people that want everyone to have their own pronouns really going to be okay with ANY pronoun? I can imagine people making up pronouns that they don't like and suddenly they'll no long be on that train.

Just call everyone a a$$hole

 

[Boomboom521]

You are either male or female, until you undergo a sex change operation.

Again, a very simple approach that doesn’t take into account chromosomes, genes, testosterone levels as a part of the mix, not to mention social constructs of gender and sex norms.

That very basic and uninformed argument doesn’t change the why though. WHY? Why does it matter to you personally if someone transitions or seeks to cross identify?

 

[Boomboom521]

Its actually not. Dr McHugh said that in the article. If you want to dress like a woman, that’s your illness. But don’t expect normal people to conform to your illness. And don’t expect healthcare to conform to your illness either.

He also views homosexuality as a disorder if I remember him correctly. One man’s opinion shouldn’t make policy.

Although I will credit him for seeking out people that transitioned to see if the process helped their mental state. I’m pretty sure he did that before making his views on reassignment known publically?

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

He also views homosexuality as a disorder if I remember him correctly. One man’s opinion shouldn’t make policy.

Although I will credit him for seeking out people that transitioned to see if the process helped their mental state. I’m pretty sure he did that before making his views on reassignment known publically?

Opinion? If it were normal, they could reproduce. It is mental illness.

 

[op2]

Opinion? If it were normal, they could reproduce. It is mental illness.

So is being old a mental illness then?

 

[Boomboom521]

Here's an idea. How about instead of having one set of words for males and another set for females, we just have one set of words for anybody? I mean, in an ambiguous situation now we already have to say "He or she" or "His or her." Or we just say "He" and females get pissed off. Or we just say "She" and males get pissed off. Or we say "He or she" and females get pissed off because their pronoun isn't first.

It's all completely ridiculous. And of course, you have to accommodate people that want a pronoun other than "he" or "she."

When I use "he" or "she," I'm not making some kind of statement about a persons identity. It's just a shorthand. If you have to remember separate pronouns for everybody then you might as well just say everybody's name instead. Everybody having their own pronouns is like everybody having three names instead of just one.

Part of all this is the creeping authoritarianism in our society. It's partly about someone forcing you to use words they want you to use. Are the people that want everyone to have their own pronouns really going to be okay with ANY pronoun? I can imagine people making up pronouns that they don't like and suddenly they'll no long be on that train.

Honestly, I think this post is Bullsh1t. If you see someone in public (or in your classroom) that you don’t know are transgendered and you call them by the pronoun of which they appear — what’s the problem? Forcing a he on someone obviously trans, because you just don’t think it’s right — that’s the problem.

If it’s religion, personal opinion, political stubbornness, f-that just call em like you see em.

 

[op2]

Just call everyone a a$$hole

That's actually a good idea. Everybody gets to come up with their own pronouns on the condition that the words they use be insults to themselves.

 

[Boomboom521]

Opinion? If it were normal, they could reproduce. It is mental illness.

You know homosexuality and bisexuality exist in nature right?

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

You know homosexuality and bisexuality exist in nature right?

You know mental illness exists in nature, right?

 

[op2]

Honestly, I think this post is Bullsh1t. If you see someone in public (or in your classroom) that you don’t know are transgendered and you call them by the pronoun of which they appear — what’s the problem? Forcing a he on someone obviously trans, because you just don’t think it’s right — that’s the problem.

If it’s religion, personal opinion, political stubbornness, f-that just call em like you see em.

In practical terms, I would call someone what they appear to want to be called. So if a guy is dressed like a woman then it seems like they want to be called "she" even though it's obviously a biological male and I'll gladly comply. It's the easiest thing to do.

But the problem is, that's not good enough for lots of people. They want me to stop my life and dwell on whatever is going on inside their brain with all these issues. It's a form of self-absorption. Anyone should be able to do/be whatever they want but OTOH people shouldn't be forced to dwell on the inner lives of others.

But that said, all this would be moot if we have just one word instead of "he" and "she" and if we had another single word instead of "his" and "hers," etc.

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

So is being old a mental illness then?

Very poor analogy. Is becoming old a choice?

 

[WVU80ate_rivals]

In practical terms, I would call someone what they appear to want to be called. So if a guy is dressed like a woman then it seems like they want to be called "she" even though it's obviously a biological male and I'll gladly comply. It's the easiest thing to do.

But the problem is, that's not good enough for lots of people. They want me to stop my life and dwell on whatever is going on inside their brain with all these issues. It's a form of self-absorption. Anyone should be able to do/be whatever they want but OTOH people shouldn't be forced to dwell on the inner lives of others.

But that said, all this would be moot if we have just one word instead of "he" and "she" and if we had another single word instead of "his" and "hers," etc.

We actually do have another word for it; it’s called ill.

 

[BigLickMountee]

My point is that it’s not stupid to the people wanting to identify differently. Science - psychology - who gives a flip? I just don’t understand why it’s such a big deal, that’s it’s got to drag on.

Truth is - someone even not passable that I don’t know, if I meet them in any public situation, I’m calling them the sex they are dressed as, because I’ll assume and not want to be rude. If I really don’t know - I will avoid it (like when I forget someone’s name).

But these are people that know someone’s real sex adamantly and stubbornly refusing to allow a cross identification. Teachers nonetheless - I just don’t get it. Regulate sports, the rest is ridiculous to fight against, imo.

It's a big deal for several reasons. Because of identity politics it is an opportunity for a vote and to portray a politician cares. Just look at policy proposals in the area. Which leads to another reason, money. Policy proposes generally involve money as an entitlement. So if a politician projects caring they can create a program where money is involved. With money comes benefits. Politicians can project caring, for a vote, to have laws created to create a benefit related to the issue. With benefits comes the issue of who is going to pay for the surgeries. Absolutely every self-professed transgendered I've cared for wanting surgery has mental illness. I am not saying transgender equals mental illness, however my experience with those wanting surgery are.

So it matters because of identity politics, projection of a false narrative, votes, entitlements, and money and much more I am not aware of.

 

[op2]

Very poor analogy. Is becoming old a choice?

The idea is, you're implying that sex that can't results in reproduction must be a mental illness so I tried to come with with people that can't reproduce but obviously aren't mentally ill. The correct criticism of it though is that they could reproduce at one time.

But then again, some people can't reproduce even when they're young for whatever reason.

All that aside though, why is homosexuality a mental illness? I mean, since "mental illness" is vague you could define anything to be it, but if people want to be gay and it doesn't hurt anyone else and it makes them happy, why should it be defined as a mental illness?