Which is waaaaaaaayyyy off from what the admin/Congress predicted. Such a robust economy and flat revenues? Yikes
Spending needs gutted, regardless of revenues. No argument here.
When is this trickle down stuff going to start trickling down?
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Spending needs gutted, regardless of revenues. No argument here.
the republicans held all the purse strings the last 2 years and did nothing but massively increase the debt......
Can't blame that on the dems
The least productive time spent on this board is done so by reading self professed liars...like those who claim they're really Conservatives and not undiluted Leftists.
But the tax cuts they all voted against which allowed you to keep more of the money you earned you cannot complain about.
Revenues to the treasury are not down as a result of those tax cuts. YOU kept your crumbs. So what are YOU complaining about?
I just get a kick how he keeps three of four talking points in his back pocket and inserts them into any topic. Then asks crazy-*** questions to prove his point.
I love how you complain about sh*t and offer no better alternatives. You were bitching about wage growth you have nothing to offer to make it better. You were complaining about the tax cuts, you didn't send a damn penny in extra to reduce the deficit you're so worried about.
I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy and you don't like it.
I feel like I am trapped in this odd, circular universe where no matter what I type, the topic returns to a set of right-wing talking points.......
Message to you and the rest of the Left. Be prepared to offer better solutions to the very things you complain about. Otherwise you just sound like a bunch of whiny little bitches who can't have their way.
LOL!!! You and your ilk are failing miserably. No replacement of Obamacare (the better and cheaper plan Trump had......that he never had) and no 30 foot concrete wall (even though Trump has many friends in the construction business). Debt is skyrocketing. The market Trump so glowingly attributed to his policies is crashing. GDP won't be the promised 4-5%. Your boy's cabinet is a mess and his kids may get indicted. Brown kids imprisoned at the border.
And don't forget, the evangelicals enable a multi-time adulterer, tax cheat, chronic liar, and likely law breaker.........I still can't get over that.
I know of a whiny little ***** in the White House that ain't getting his way! lmfao. Gonna be fun once Pelosi gets hold of that gavel.
What major piece of legislation will she force Trump to sign? Emancipation of Kansas?
And the problem now is that you can't roll-back the ill-timed tax cuts as it may actually throw our economy into recession. So now we are in the muck of less than predicted tax revenues and reckless spending when we should be paying down our debt at a massive rate (in a growing economy)
I can't stand her but I also can't wait to see what she does to Trump It is like working in the ER on New Year's Eve......you know bad stuff is coming but you never know how bad.
Two big spending liberals (Don & Nancy)? My guess is they'll invent meaningless partisan squabbles while greatly increasing our spending.
I am not an economist but how can the US now increase spending without tax increases and without throwing the economy onto recession?
In case you haven't noticed Obama care and its debt ridden entitlement spending with unfunded mandates is unconstitutional. No need to repeal it. It'll be replaced by something lawful.
If you think a 16 trillion dollar stock market is crashing you're more ignorant than the Socialists who think Venezuela is better.
The Wall is being built...whether Democrats starve as a result of the shutdown or not. Let's see what spending cuts Nancy and Dems offer to control our deficit spending? I'll guarantee if it's not gutting the armed forces (which Leftists love alnost as much as taxpayer financed abortions) Trump will sign those cuts and increase them.
Whatever GDP ends up this year it'll be better than 3.0% which is something Obama, who you dolts on the Left claim is responsible for this current GDP, could never produce in any one year on his own.
Trump's cabinet has been drained of swamp dwellers and mal contents who would rather be working for Hillary and paying back her favors to Foreigners who bought access to her during the '16 campaign while she tried to blame Russians for her unexpected defeat (still looking for all that collusion btw).
The only Brown kids in prison at the border are with their Parents who tried to break into the country illegally or weren't bused off to Democrat sponsored "sanctuary cities".
Didn't you guys elect Bill Clinton TWICE even after he was impeached for lying to Federal prosecutors, & having an adulterous affair inside the White House?
Again, don't complain about sh*t you either can't fix or already have sanctioned OM1. That's what whinny little bitches do. [winking]
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That's the first thing you've posted on here I 100% agree with. BTW, the economy usually grows no matter what Congress fails to do to control its own deficit spending. They benefit from the private sector generating enough revenue for them to waste.
Sometimes I wonder how you made it through grammar school...... Your ability to rationalize anything and turn on a dime is truly amazing
Hope that growth outpaces interest rates while keeping inflation in check. Luckily our monetary policies are outstanding (the Fed). The more likely scenario is the spending will depress our growth, but not to the point of recession. Of course one wind gust the wrong way and it all falls down.
I wonder how you post on this board with a straight face? Your ability to lie, hide from what you believe, or just make up sh*t is truly astounding because it's so obvious yet you persist.
tell me what happens when you cut federal spending?
I'll give you a primer. I know you can't grasp this but I'll try anyway. Trump was highly critical of Obama's GDP, So in order to improve GDP while he is in office, he increased spending massively (drives GDP up) and he cut taxes massively (drives GDP up). Combined, these two MASSIVE economic stimulants might get us to 3.0 GDP in 2018. Yippee. We wreck future growth by increasing spending and reducing taxes just for the president's ego in order to say he achieved higher GDP growth that Obama. (PS by some accounts the two stimulants together added about as much as 1.6% to the 2018 GDP....again Yippee)
So if you cut spending ATL, it generally hits GDP negatively. The government buys less so GDP should go down to a degree all things being equal. There is no chance that Trump is going to allow spending cuts because the GDP for 2019 is projected for very Obama-like 2.6-2.9% growth with increased spending. I think even the idiot Trump can see that reduced government spending could drive that number down further. He won't stand for that. So therefore, you won't see any significant reduction in government spending.
Understand?
straight face? I sit here and laugh at you and Brushy all the time!! I am sorry. I just can't help it! [roll]
So what does or did the Left offer as an alternative? The economy is not dependent on Government deficit spending. It grows despite that OM1. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a Governent run on economic reality like the private sector?
I never said that our economy is/was dependent on deficit spending. I just simply stated that increased spending can positively impact GDP.
You asked what the Dems offer as an alternative? We can start by stating the fact that Obama was reducing deficit spending his last 5-6 years in the white house. That was reality.
OM1 you know it's perfectly fine if the Democrats don't think Trump's policies will work. My question to you is why all the bitching & complaining about the policies without offering their own better alternatives?
It's one thing to complain about current conditions or get upset about deficit spending or all the other stuff that you've been whining about in this thread. It's quite another to offer successful alternatives that will address the very issues you're complaining about.
What were the policy alternatives Democrats asking for control of the House offered voters in this fall's elections? Are they going to legislate on that agenda? What are you complaining about with no better solutions? Do you have any? Fine let's hear them? Otherwise you sound like a whiny little *****.
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Just like revenue, spending isn't a 0 sum game. tax rates decrease, revenue stays the same. Just because government doesn't spend as much, doesn't mean the GDP goes down. This isn't 8th grade algebra, it's real math.
Accumulatively during his entire 8 years in office, Obama rang up more red ink than all of his predecessors combined! That too is reality.
Budget sequestration and forced across-the-board cuts much to Obama's dislike resulted in those deficit-reductions you are now bragging about. There wasn't one budget that Obama proposed that was in either in balance nor spent less in succeeding years than in previous years. That too is reality.
Democrats opposed virtually every spending proposal that Trump sent up when he first took over, most of them were deficit spending reductions. That too is reality.
Democrats did not offer $1 Less in spending in any year they've been in control than the deficits they are now complaining about which they do not currently control.
You coming on here and acting like Democrats are the deficit Hawks is like me coming on here and acting like Pitt is going to be playing in the final four for the college football national championship. That is NOT reality. And neither is your history revision on Democrat deficit spending hawks.[eyeroll]
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And I said GDP is not dependent on government spending particularly deficit spending. The economy grows regardless of whether government spends within its means or wastes what it is allowed to spend based on revenues generated by the private sector.
here is what I said, "So if you cut spending ATL, it generally hits GDP negatively." There was no intent on my part to say or imply it was perfectly correlated or that GDP would go down. In fact this is the best time to reduce spending because the economy can absorb it.
Break it down even further, and a growing population can actually force an economy to expand......Maybe we need more brown people??????
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We agree then. Cut spending. Keep taxes low so the economy can continue growing adding additional revenue to the treasury as it usually does when taxes are cut.
Don't have a better solution? Stop complaining about the policy we're currently following.
Maybe we need less Government? We take in as many brown people or yellow people or red people or purple people or any other color people who come here legally as we can handle.
Just get in line and wait your turn.
You have zero idea about economic or fiscal policy. Cutting taxes and increasing spending is downright stupidity during robust economic times,
I am a fiscal conservative. I am all for low debt and prudent spending.
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