Meanwhile in liberal land

TarHeelEer

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  • PP conspired to cover up child rape, noone cares
  • Kalifornia votes to cover illegals with their Medicade
  • Bill Clinton #metoo 'd Monica
  • The Zuck shared personal info with 60 some companies
  • Obama thinks he was too good for us during his time
 

WVUCOOPER

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Dec 10, 2002
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  • PP conspired to cover up child rape, noone cares
  • Kalifornia votes to cover illegals with their Medicade
  • Bill Clinton #metoo 'd Monica
  • The Zuck shared personal info with 60 some companies
  • Obama thinks he was too good for us during his time
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Is there a point where the left should be held to account in your mind? It seems you weren’t in favor of it when the left was in control and now your claim is that it’s just deflection? Interesting strategy, can’t really lose with that one.

“What’s that game called?”

“I win”!!
 

WVUCOOPER

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Is there a point where the left should be held to account in your mind? It seems you weren’t in favor of it when the left was in control and now your claim is that it’s just deflection? Interesting strategy, can’t really lose with that one.
Yes. When they are in control of something that affects me.
 

op2

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  • PP conspired to cover up child rape, noone cares
  • Kalifornia votes to cover illegals with their Medicade
  • Bill Clinton #metoo 'd Monica
  • The Zuck shared personal info with 60 some companies
  • Obama thinks he was too good for us during his time

Just out of curiosity, what are you referring to about Obama? I do think during his later POTUS years he didn't do as good a job at connecting with a wide variety of people but I don't know that that would translate into "too good for us."
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Just out of curiosity, what are you referring to about Obama? I do think during his later POTUS years he didn't do as good a job at connecting with a wide variety of people but I don't know that that would translate into "too good for us."
Obama made some dumb *** comments recently.
 

TarHeelEer

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Dec 15, 2002
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lol. Serious? I suppose the Travel ban doesn't really affect me, but tariffs, Obamacare costs affect everyone.

The tariffs aren't the endgame, but you know that. Obamacare costs from Obama are already impacting me, I'll be glad when it's completely removed. Anything else?
 

TarHeelEer

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Dec 15, 2002
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Just out of curiosity, what are you referring to about Obama? I do think during his later POTUS years he didn't do as good a job at connecting with a wide variety of people but I don't know that that would translate into "too good for us."
 

mule_eer

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May 6, 2002
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The tariffs aren't the endgame, but you know that. Obamacare costs from Obama are already impacting me, I'll be glad when it's completely removed. Anything else?
Healthcare and health insurance costs weren't outpacing inflation prior to O-care?
 

TarHeelEer

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Dec 15, 2002
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Healthcare and health insurance costs weren't outpacing inflation prior to O-care?

My personal (scratch insurance) healthcare costs skyrocketed once Obamacare kicked in. My copays went away and everything went 80/20 again. For me personally, he broked it.
 

WVUCOOPER

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The tariffs aren't the endgame, but you know that.
They affect me. And their end game won't. Had no idea this board was littered with so many Bernie Bros.

Obamacare costs from Obama are already impacting me
Agreed, but dropping the individual mandate just made them that much more costlier to us positive members of society.

Anything else? You're the one that posted tariffs and the removal of the individual mandate wouldn't affect me.
 

op2

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“Maybe we pushed too far,” the president continued. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”

I think Obama is a great politician in some ways but a bad one in others and the above quote of him from that article is an example of the latter. Putting people into tribes (identity politics) is one of the reasons Hillary lost that election. Identity politics ramped up more and more during Obama's Presidency and he didn't push back against it enough.
 

wvu2007

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“Maybe we pushed too far,” the president continued. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”

I think Obama is a great politician in some ways but a bad one in others and the above quote of him from that article is an example of the latter. Putting people into tribes (identity politics) is one of the reasons Hillary lost that election. Identity politics ramped up more and more during Obama's Presidency and he didn't push back against it enough.

And that was my biggest issue with the Obama presidency. Policy wise I wasn't going to agree with him on most things but I remember watching him speak in Chicago after he won the election in 2008. I thought to myself that he has an amazing chance to unite the country. Unfortunately he chose to play Chicago politics while in office which just divided the country even more. And that is how we have Trump today.
 

mule_eer

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I guess you are happy with the deductibles going thru the roof as a direct result of ACA.
That's a result of a mandate without enforcement. Insurance companies could dump expensive folks before. Now they can't. Now they are capped on max rates relative to basic rates which makes those higher. If the healthy insured pool was larger, rates wouldn't be as high on average. I fault the toothless penalties for not getting insurance. This only succeeds if everyone is in the pool. If you make the penalties cheaper than buying insurance, you undermine your own plan.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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“Maybe we pushed too far,” the president continued. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”

I think Obama is a great politician in some ways but a bad one in others and the above quote of him from that article is an example of the latter. Putting people into tribes (identity politics) is one of the reasons Hillary lost that election. Identity politics ramped up more and more during Obama's Presidency and he didn't push back against it enough.
I didn’t read it that way. I read it as he was some enlightened globalist and those not in agreement with him were just uneducated rubes.