Trump: 'I have the absolute right to pardon myself'

dave

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Weird how they still keep track of this:

2016 Election Results
Candidate Party Electoral Votes Popular Votes
✓ Donald J. Trump Republican 304 62,980,160
Hillary R. Clinton Democratic 227 65,845,063
Gary Johnson Libertarian 0 4,488,931
Jill Stein Green 0 1,457,050
Evan McMullin Independent 0 728,830
304-227. Trump wins. Thanks for proving his point.
 

CpEER

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Not me, I’m not religious. Lost my faith a decade and a half ago. I’m an observer.

Personally, I don’t care who gets fvcked in the ***, why or how. Can I make money in the process? If yes, carry on. If no, now we have a problem. I said for years people were bitching about the music on the Titanic. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is jobs and money. As long as I have 1 and I’m making progressively more of the other, I give zero fvcks about cake bakers and candlestick makers.

That’s pretty much the litmus test for republicans. You didn’t have to say it out loud for me to know that.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Right... no political motivation in any actions from the administration, DOJ or FBI.... none what so ever... just pure altruistic motives.
Agree to disagree. Don't see how that excuses Trump's actions and "conservatives" being OK with them. One of the best arguments against Obama, imo, was his executive power abuse, ie, DACA, Iran Deal, "pen & a pad", etc. Trump has managed to be worse and it baffles me that "conservatives/libertarians" sit back and take it because.....Obama did it?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Weird how they still keep track of this:

2016 Election Results
Candidate Party Electoral Votes Popular Votes
✓ Donald J. Trump Republican 304 62,980,160
Hillary R. Clinton Democratic 227 65,845,063
Gary Johnson Libertarian 0 4,488,931
Jill Stein Green 0 1,457,050
Evan McMullin Independent 0 728,830
Keeping track of useless metrics? It is weird.
 

bamaEER

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Agree to disagree. Don't see how that excuses Trump's actions and "conservatives" being OK with them. One of the best arguments against Obama, imo, was his executive power abuse, ie, DACA, Iran Deal, "pen & a pad", etc. Trump has managed to be worse and it baffles me that "conservatives/libertarians" sit back and take it because.....Obama did it?
Party loyalty. And when the fire around Biff gets too hot, they'll say they never really liked him anyway.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I usually welcome them, today you’re making me pissy — good job ole boy. Your liberal troll game is poppin off this am
Sorry, I’ve had all 4 sets of parents at the house this weekend. I’ve been biting my tongue all weekend and you’re getting the brunt of my release. It’s like a political bukake show and you’re the star.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Agree to disagree. Don't see how that excuses Trump's actions and "conservatives" being OK with them. One of the best arguments against Obama, imo, was his executive power abuse, ie, DACA, Iran Deal, "pen & a pad", etc. Trump has managed to be worse and it baffles me that "conservatives/libertarians" sit back and take it because.....Obama did it?
I don’t think he’s been worse, not by a damn site.
 

Boomboom521

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Sorry, I’ve had all 4 sets of parents at the house this weekend. I’ve been biting my tongue all weekend and you’re getting the brunt of my release. It’s like a political bukake show and you’re the star.
That’s fine. I actually welcome it from you. Like getting my *** kicked in a fight, you help me grow sometimes.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Party loyalty. And when the fire around Biff gets too hot, they'll say they never really liked him anyway.
When the proof of a crime gets presented, then and only then will I stop arguing against you all.
 

dave

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Tariffs, Travel ban, civil forfeiture expansion, Obamacare stuff. etc.

This NK summit will end up being, like the Iran Deal, executive branch negotiated only.
CNNCoop with more eyeore.
 

WVUCOOPER

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What exactly have you added guy? Fukn hypocrite.
THE asked me a question and I responded. THE, or anyone else, can agree or disagree or laugh at my response. Awkwardly bad jokes like, "CNNCoop with more eyeore." doesn't really add much. Playing the part of a middle school playground bully, while hysterical, doesn't add much.
 

TarHeelEer

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THE asked me a question and I responded. THE, or anyone else, can agree or disagree or laugh at my response. Awkwardly bad jokes like, "CNNCoop with more eyeore." doesn't really add much. Playing the part of a middle school playground bully, while hysterical, doesn't add much.

I see most of that as rolling back damage Obama did, but whatever.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Tariffs, Travel ban, civil forfeiture expansion, Obamacare stuff. etc.

This NK summit will end up being, like the Iran Deal, executive branch negotiated only.
Tariffs (I agree are bad, but I also agree a trade imbalance is bad) are they not within the normal scope of the Presidency? Same with the Travel ban. What did he do unilaterally with Obamacare?

If he is successful with DPRK, why would it be Executive only? That’s absurd thinking and if so, the Dems need to voted into obscurity. This is their last chance of remaining viable without conflict. Literally, everyone should be rooting for his success here, otherwise, a lot of blood is going to be spilled.
 

Boomboom521

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Tariffs (I agree are bad, but I also agree a trade imbalance is bad) are they not within the normal scope of the Presidency? Same with the Travel ban. What did he do unilaterally with Obamacare?

If he is successful with DPRK, why would it be Executive only? That’s absurd thinking and if so, the Dems need to voted into obscurity. This is their last chance of remaining viable without conflict. Literally, everyone should be rooting for his success here, otherwise, a lot of blood is going to be spilled.
I agree that we should all want to see success st the summit
 

rog1187

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That's about all he ever does. His base hangs on his every word and probably believes most of it.
Then why did you post the thread in the first place...seems like it's libtards like you that are hanging on his every word.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Tariffs (I agree are bad, but I also agree a trade imbalance is bad) are they not within the normal scope of the Presidency? Same with the Travel ban. What did he do unilaterally with Obamacare?

If he is successful with DPRK, why would it be Executive only? That’s absurd thinking and if so, the Dems need to voted into obscurity. This is their last chance of remaining viable without conflict. Literally, everyone should be rooting for his success here, otherwise, a lot of blood is going to be spilled.
Within scope? Sure. Doesn't mean I should just sit back and agree with everything. Much like Obama admin not taking the agreement to Congress, I don't think Trump will either. That's the Dems fault?

Forget all of that other noise....please explain to me how a trade imbalance is bad? I've always thought economies were better with increased productivity and lower costs (which will ALWAYS lead to trade imbalances) and I just do not see how raising gov't revenues at the US consumer's expense to level out imbalances is good.
 

moe

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Then why did you post the thread in the first place...seems like it's libtards like you that are hanging on his every word.
He's a news maker alright but you guys believe what he says.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Within scope? Sure. Doesn't mean I should just sit back and agree with everything. Much like Obama admin not taking the agreement to Congress, I don't think Trump will either. That's the Dems fault?

Forget all of that other noise....please explain to me how a trade imbalance is bad? I've always thought economies were better with increased productivity and lower costs (which will ALWAYS lead to trade imbalances) and I just do not see how raising gov't revenues at the US consumer's expense to level out imbalances is good.
That focus is what I agree with. But you’re arguing for the benefit of other nations. We should be imbalanced. We should have a significant export surplus with most nations. The trade imbalance, at least in a couple of nations, is due to their imposing tariffs on our exports which artificially lowers their consumption of our goods. I believe, the strategy here is to get them to remove their already existing tariffs on our goods. I’m speaking strictly at a high level here, I haven’t deep dived each country and the trade dynamics. History is a good indicator that his strategy won’t work, I fully acknowledge that.

I guess, my question to you is how do you resolve previously established agreements which are unfavorable to us? The other countries seem to be happy with the offset.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I guess, my question to you is how do you resolve previously established agreements which are unfavorable to us? The other countries seem to be happy with the offset.
That's easy. Those agreements are not unfavorable to us and don't hurt "us". It hurts those countries citizens and a select few US workers. This keeps "us" as the dominate economic force. We are a net service exporter, we just let the poors build our ****. Win Win
 

DvlDog4WVU

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That's easy. Those agreements are not unfavorable to us and don't hurt "us". It hurts those countries citizens and a select few US workers. This keeps "us" as the dominate economic force. We are a net service exporter, we just let the poors build our ****. Win Win
If, and say if he’s able to successfully impose his will and make these agreements even more favorable, further strengthening our position as the dominate economic force, why is that bad?
 

WVUCOOPER

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If, and say if he’s able to successfully impose his will and make these agreements even more favorable, further strengthening our position as the dominate economic force, why is that bad?
How is forcing costs on to US consumers going to help? How is lowering costs to Chinese consumers make them less competitive to our economic dominance? I'm at a complete loss. You sound like The Atlantic, or Bernie. I apologize for using such language.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Within scope? Sure. Doesn't mean I should just sit back and agree with everything. Much like Obama admin not taking the agreement to Congress, I don't think Trump will either. That's the Dems fault?
The Iran thing was most assuredly within the scope of Congress to ratify as a treaty vs the Executive to just do. Barry didn’t send it because he knew it wouldn’t pass, nor should it have. It sucked.

Why would Trump not send it to Congress? That makes no strategic sense. Make the Dems vote against peace on the peninsula or in favor of Trump getting the Nobel Peace prize. I can’t imagine a better scenario if I’m playing chess.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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How is forcing costs on to US consumers going to help? How is lowering costs to Chinese consumers make them less competitive to our economic dominance? I'm at a complete loss. You sound like The Atlantic, or Bernie. I apologize for using such language.
Hahaha, dick.

In the short it doesn’t at all. Your premise seems to be that the tariffs are long term and won’t force change. Holding that premise to be true, your position is accurate and unable to be argued against. If he is able to force change and by the change removes the tariffs as well, all the more better, yes?
 

WVUCOOPER

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Hahaha, dick.

In the short it doesn’t at all. Your premise seems to be that the tariffs are long term and won’t force change. Holding that premise to be true, your position is accurate and unable to be argued against. If he is able to force change and by the change removes the tariffs as well, all the more better, yes?
Short term they are punitive with no long term gains. Take them to WTO where we are wildly successful at arguing our cases. Reducing tariffs helps their citizens and a few select US Workers. My answer is not no, but hell no.
 

TarHeelEer

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Cancelling Roseanne and not cancelling Sam Bee was the turning point. We finally pushed too far. The blow back will be severe. Libs owned everywhere. Nice!

Not that I watched her new show, or reruns. I'd be more apt to watch Cosby reruns, but I don't do that either. But, isn't it strange that Cosby reruns are still on at this point, but they removed Roseanne in an instant?