Well if he and his staff are reading our posts no wonder their stubborn and not winning games and not spending enough time in the film room..
Frost Presser 11/1
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I mean, I feel like you can do a few things in the same day. No one just does work 100% of the time. Look at us!
Being a massive failure at something would be a gut punch, no matter how much you're getting paid.
He’ll rationalize it in his mind by blaming Riley and thinking he just needed one more year.
That segment blew me away. You're basically saying you're putting massaging the ego of one player ahead of doing what's best for the program as a whole. Dude, the booing "incident" was 24 years ago. Grow up and move on as man and coach.
I guess what makes you think he is going to get fired? He's been more competitive this year than years past, one could say that's progress (not me but others). They kept him around after previous abysmal years.
While I agree with most of what you say. I sure wanted him to succeed. It would have been a great story. But he is awful as a HC. Trotting Adrian back out there after the fourth pick was unforgivable. I can’t imagine another 3-5 coach anywhere that would do that. Regardless of the fact we need to see what’s behind him under fire. But how about get the kid out of his nightmare. Crap if you think so highly of him, why send him back to the lions den.
I'm in agreement with you. We all wanted him to succeed, he has failed and partially because he has some sort of weird loyalty to Adrian.
Much to almost every Nebraska fan's chagrin, I think he gets another year, too. Not because he deserves it, but merely due to reality.
If Alberts has no proven head coach waiting in the wings, and enthused to come to Nebraska - it makes no sense. An up and comer won't cut it this time. No more hope springs eternal.
Frost was a great QB away from pulling off the resurrection of Husker football. Instead, he stubbornly stuck with Martinez and it will be his downfall. People rag on Verduzco, myself included, but maybe just maybe he is not the problem. He might be coaching Martinez in all the right ways but AMart just doesn't execute it, because he can't. The problem begins and ends with Frost's refusal to go out and find a winning QB. And that is on him. It will most likely cost him his job.
100% and it is wild to think about. If we could have just found a QB we would not be in this position, but he is riding him to the unemployment line. Frost has filled holes on the roster, got us to the size we needed to be in the Big 10 to compete, the defense has gotten a lot better and made us competitive in every game, but we are a sub .500 team because of awful special teams and a QB who just is not a winner. Crazy to think about.
My fear, however, is that Alberts understands this as well, and will retain Frost in the hope that with a better QB he can make this work. He might have a brutally frank sit-down with Frost and tell him: find a different QB or I might have to let you go. And Frost could save face by getting Martinez to not return for his final season, and then spin it in a positive direction. But that will require hitting the transfer portal and the recruiting trail since I do not have any confidence whatsoever in our current QB room. And I think it is obvious that Frost doesn't either. I know Haarburg is the flavor of the month but is he really a B1G championship caliber QB?
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I'm just not sure we know much about Haarburg. Looked decent in the Spring, but that is the spring. Kid has a big time arm, can run a little and has the body to match, but same as Adrian, you have to see if it clicks when the lights come on. I'm with you on Trev, but part of this should be that Trev should tell Frost to bench Adrian the rest of the season and play Smothers and Haarburg, but don't burn Haarburgs redshirt. Let's see what these kids can do against quality opponents and not worry if we win or lose. Get them battle tested and see how they perform and also do like you said. Go find the best ******** portal QB there is and get them no matter what. Pray that someone comes loose that we can get in here.
I like the idea of Alberts telling Frost to bench AMart now, but I doubt that he will. But who knows? Now would be a perfect time to do it in the aftermath of the Martinez meltdown against a mediocre Purdue team. Nobody would question it and Frost could easily spin it in the right direction. But I doubt it happens and most likely we will see Martinez trot out on the field this Saturday. Maybe if OSU starts to blow us out, and Martinez is ineffective, Frost will then bench him. We will see.
The people that think Frost needs another year amaze me. Like, what games do you watch, do you see who ends up winning and losing?
There is a good chance that they lose 6 in a row to end the season.
There is a good chance that they lose 6 in a row to end the season.
Want and reality are two separate things. Trev is in a pretty tough spot, but I also think he is the man for the job. We are fans and can yell and scream and say Frost sucks all we want, but there are a lot of moving parts and behind the scenes there is probably a ton going on when they meet on Sundays. The decision just gets harder the more we lose. Hopefully Trev has a plan or Frost can get the kids to click for 3 games to calm everyone down.
I thought I read that Frost wants to keep Martinez in the games until he (Adrian) gets that "signature" win.
At any rate, the "what ifs" and "we are close" doesn't cut it with me any more. 4 years, really?
Frost seems to care a lot more about Adrian then he does the rest of the team. He wants to get him a great win, and he’s willing to sacrifice team morale, his job security, and the sellout streak to get it.
Frost will not bench Adrian. He would rather be fired. If they are both back next year, Adrian will go down in history as the only P5 QB to lead his team to 5 straight losing seasons.
Frost will not bench Adrian. He would rather be fired. If they are both back next year, Adrian will go down in history as the only P5 QB to lead his team to 5 straight losing seasons.
Believe it or not, I think as long as he doesn't get blown out in the remaining 3 teams, I think he's back. Say what you want about not being able to win close games, it's painfully obvious that he has upgraded the roster and has us close to winning those games. I've said it for the last 3 years, the most important guy on any football team is the QB. We've got an extremely talented guy at QB who is not a good QB. That was Nick Handley's sidekick's take on 590 a couple of days ago and he is exactly right. Adrian did NOTHING exceptional last weekend that should have kept us from going to our backup and in fact he cost us the game with his mind numbingly stupid decisions and inaccurate passes. That has to change. We need Frost to dish out consequences for mental errors.
The last word I got from my "source" in Lincoln was that the money was still behind Frost. The comment still was "If Frost can't do it then they're not sure anyone can". I have no idea if they still feel that way after Purdue but I think Frost has a solid contingent of backers in Lincoln who are weary of the buyouts and sh## show caused by bringing in outsiders to coach our team.
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Entirely possible, but Scott has shown poor decision making, and personnel management the past four years.
So let's say he goes out and gets a good QB.. what's to say he doesn't fall in love with Smothers and play him over someone better? Word is he also has a thing for Logan, and what's to keep this from all happening again?
Same with the other positions that have been mismanaged, they will likely continue to be, because once again, the decision making is not objective, because it comes from a guy who was once a top player, and thus is heavily biased.
If SF doesn’t get fired, we can’t have AM be our QB next year and some assistant coaches need to be replaced..
I don’t believe we can’t ever find a new Head Coach that can turn this program around..
Can’t believe so many boosters are still think SF is the only head coach that can turn this thing around..
I will lose a bet of some very expensive bourbon if he is retained..
15-29 would be a tough pill to swallow with this staff be retained with the worst 4 year record since Jennings..
I hope what you say is not true. I think if Frost loses the next three he should be fired. And I think we will get blown out by both OSU and Wisconsin. And after two brutal losses who knows what the team's mentality will be against Iowa? That could end up being close for a while only to end in another blow out. Our defense looks totally gassed right now. And Frost will not bench AMart. And so if the boosters are tired of bail outs and tired of the coaching carousel and bring Frost back I hope they will all be happy with watching one more year of AMart at QB and another losing season.
This is spot-on. What is this mentality of "Frost or bust"??? We need a different coach. Period. Just because boosters have money it doesn't mean they have brains. Any idiot can see that a coach with four straight losing seasons, AND with an offense that gets worse each season rather than better, needs to go. We fired Riley after three years and he had a better three year record than Frost. We fired Callahan after four years and he had a better four year record than Frost. ****... we fired Solich and Pelini even though neither one ever had a losing season. But Frosty must stay because he is the golden boy hero from the 90's. If Frost can't do it then nobody can!! What? That is just flatulent nonsense. These boosters need to take a reality pill and pull their collective heads out of 1997.
The problem I have is people cherry-picking a couple positives, imagining that somehow a better QB shows up, imagining that somehow a couple better assistant coaches show up, and conclude that Frost could somehow win some games at some point in the future. And since nobody qualified would ever take the job, and since we suck at selecting head football coaches, we should keep Frost and let him learn on the job and grow. As long as that takes
But that ignores a lot.
Frost’s system isn’t suited to B1G play
Frost’s system can’t work with average QB
Recruiting is a dumpster fire.
Transfer portal will be net negative
No quality assistant coach wants to join
Frost sucks at calling plays
Frost sucks at managing game time
Frost plays favorites
Frost cant/won’t make adjustments
Frost teams are sloppy and undisciplined
Many would take $5 million to coach this team, and most would be more successful than Frost. Frost is dead last in Power5 win percentage among all current Power5 coaches with as much tenure in current job. Dead freaking last. And we can’t do better?
He should have hired a special teams coach. He should have recognized the OL is a problem that needs fixing. He should have real QB competition. And most importantly, all of this should have been apparent and fixed after the first or second season.
But that ignores a lot.
Frost’s system isn’t suited to B1G play
Frost’s system can’t work with average QB
Recruiting is a dumpster fire.
Transfer portal will be net negative
No quality assistant coach wants to join
Frost sucks at calling plays
Frost sucks at managing game time
Frost plays favorites
Frost cant/won’t make adjustments
Frost teams are sloppy and undisciplined
Many would take $5 million to coach this team, and most would be more successful than Frost. Frost is dead last in Power5 win percentage among all current Power5 coaches with as much tenure in current job. Dead freaking last. And we can’t do better?
He should have hired a special teams coach. He should have recognized the OL is a problem that needs fixing. He should have real QB competition. And most importantly, all of this should have been apparent and fixed after the first or second season.
I agree with a lot you say, but some of this just lies in how you feel about Frost.
MY thoughts on what you bring up
But that ignores a lot.
Frost’s system isn’t suited to B1G play - The system itself is fine if it were coached well.
Frost’s system can’t work with average QB - I think it can, but similar to above it needs better assistants. Also, a QB who knows where the ball is going, but can also be smart enough to throw it away would be wonderful. From what I've seen all this system takes is a little bit of smarts and self awareness. AM is not that.
Recruiting is a dumpster fire - This year you are correct. His other classes haven't been too bad.
Transfer portal will be net negative - Probably.
No quality assistant coach wants to join - No idea if this is true, but also have we even reached out?
Frost sucks at calling plays - Does he? A lot of the plays he calls just require a semi competent QB. I don't think its as bad as people think.
Frost sucks at managing game time - True
Frost plays favorites - True, but every coach does
Frost cant/won’t make adjustments - Half and half (this year I have seen a lot more adjustments at half)
Frost teams are sloppy and undisciplined - 100%
Verduzco is definitely the problem. It's not like he coached anyone else up to be a P5 caliber starter.
Scott Frost was also a "QB" and the ironic thing is "The Genius" himself, Bill Walsh, forced Frost to change positions from QB to safety. That's probably the coaching experience he should have drawn from these past 4 years but now it's pretty much too late.
It's hard for me to blame Verduzco or Martinez because when you look at Martinez, what's he doing but being a spitting image of his head coach? Mistakes, errors, bad judgment, bad decisions...he's just taking after his head coach.
