Frost is going nowhere

[WHCSC]

I think we can all agree that he is going to be the head coach for the foreseeable future. You don’t have to like it but you might be happier not paying attention until he’s gone. It does no good to come on this or any other board and bad talk every move he makes. Constructive criticism is fine but the constant berating and belittling is just bringing the board down. Do yourselves and us a favor and take a leave of absence until things and coaches are more to your liking.

 

[HuskerOH_rivals315145]

I hope he does some self evaluation and listens to criticism. Hopefully Moos does his job and reads him the riot act. His ego is getting the better of him.

 

[oldjar07]

I think we can all agree that he is going to be the head coach for the foreseeable future. You don’t have to like it but you might be happier not paying attention until he’s gone. It does no good to come on this or any other board and bad talk every move he makes. Constructive criticism is fine but the constant berating and belittling is just bringing the board down. Do yourselves and us a favor and take a leave of absence until things and coaches are more to your liking.

Sorry, that's not going to happen. You're going to have to get used to it. Giving Frost a free pass for the last 3 years has done nothing to help anything. Maybe a kick in the *** is what he needs.

 

[TruHusker]

I am not in the "fire Frost" camp that seems pretty outspoken.

That said, things will need to change. The talent level is not likely to get much higher than it is right now. He needs to find a way to win with top 20 classes (and keep them I might add) and build on that success.

There are consistent issues on this team that show up on the field. They are not a secret and he knows which areas need to improve. He has to have the guts to pull the trigger and make changes, whatever they may be. If he doesn't, and I am wrong (I often am) then they will have to improve as a staff when it comes to teaching players.

Time will tell but fire Frost talk is counterproductive IMHO.

 

[RockyMtnHusker]

I am not in the "fire Frost" camp that seems pretty outspoken.

That said, things will need to change. The talent level is not likely to get much higher than it is right now. He needs to find a way to win with top 20 classes (and keep them I might add) and build on that success.

There are consistent issues on this team that show up on the field. They are not a secret and he knows which areas need to improve. He has to have the guts to pull the trigger and make changes, whatever they may be. If he doesn't, and I am wrong (I often am) then they will have to improve as a staff when it comes to teaching players.

Time will tell but fire Frost talk is counterproductive IMHO.

Agreed, too early for that, IMO. Scott must make some changes and I do think he’s smart enough to know what changes have to be made. Go Scott, go!

 

[mgbreeze]

I also get sick of the relentless bellyaching, but it's inevitable. There is no on-field metric by which Frost hasn't been a colossal failure. The part that gets me is how much of it seems self inflicted. It ain't rocket science, and I feel like there are probably a dozen high school coaches in the state of Nebraska that could produce better player development and discipline. He's failing and he better improve or he WILL be gone.

 

[TerranPetteway]

Well his buyout after next season would be around $20 million. So yeah, unless he completely ***** the bed he's getting a 5th year.

 

[WHCSC]

Sorry, that's not going to happen. You're going to have to get used to it. Giving Frost a free pass for the last 3 years has done nothing to help anything. Maybe a kick in the *** is what he needs.

It’s easy. Quit whining. Criticism is fine. No need for the whiny dramatics

 

[bigboxes]

I'm going down with the ship. I hope Frost makes some changes.

 

[Hastings4Huskers]

Sorry, that's not going to happen. You're going to have to get used to it. Giving Frost a free pass for the last 3 years has done nothing to help anything. Maybe a kick in the *** is what he needs.

Do you think a kick in the *** from you means anything? NOPE. You can ***** and moan and continue to **** on players and coaches all you want. Your opinion or criticism means absolutely nothing arm chair coach.

 

[Sporty]

Frost made a couple early errors when he arrived and will pay for it for at least another season. If he can make some hay in the next two seasons when a group of his first class leave he will possibly have a chance to succeed. Until then his mistakes early on will continue to haunt him.

 

[CatColumbia]

I want Frost to be the one. I like the guy but he’s going to have to do A Lot of fixing to get us to a 9 win Bo caliber team. He’s already had 3 losing seasons under his belt and I’m not convinced he will be the one to turn this around. I’m just disgusted how everything has played out since 2014.

 

[oldjar07]

It’s easy. Quit whining. Criticism is fine. No need for the whiny dramatics

I don't think I have. I've given constructive criticism just like you suggested.

 

[oldjar07]

Do you think a kick in the *** from you means anything? NOPE. You can ***** and moan and continue to **** on players and coaches all you want. Your opinion or criticism means absolutely nothing arm chair coach.

Didn't know it was illegal to talk football here.

 

[dinglefritz]

Do you think a kick in the *** from you means anything? NOPE. You can ***** and moan and continue to **** on players and coaches all you want. Your opinion or criticism means absolutely nothing arm chair coach.

Last time I checked, the Regents, Bill Moos, the Hawks and Ronnie Green aren't listening to advice from high school position coaches so I think Frost is safe.

 

[dinglefritz]

I don't think I have. I've given constructive criticism just like you suggested.

Sure. IF "fire them all" is constructive.

 

[oldjar07]

Sure. IF "fire them all" is constructive.

No, not all. Just 7 who haven't done anything since they've been here.

 

[54T]

It’s a college football message board. They all ***** and whine about the coach. This one is no worse than the others.

 

[Trumplestiltskin]

I’d rather have a young coach that knows the ways here and a good pedigree than continually churning the the Coach du Jour every few years.

 

[otismotis08]

Cornhusker fan for life. I will continue to support Frost for as long as he is here, which I hope is a long long time. Because that will mean that he is succeeding.

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

I think we can all agree that he is going to be the head coach for the foreseeable future. You don’t have to like it but you might be happier not paying attention until he’s gone. It does no good to come on this or any other board and bad talk every move he makes. Constructive criticism is fine but the constant berating and belittling is just bringing the board down. Do yourselves and us a favor and take a leave of absence until things and coaches are more to your liking.

There is a lot here, so let me break my thoughts down.

1. I agree it is guaranteed he will be here two, maybe three years. However if those two or three years are filled with losses and questionable coaching decisions like the last three, I can't see the people who matter standing for it. So I'm not sure I agree he will be here for the "foreseeable future if that means longer than three more seasons."

2. No, I don't like it, but not paying attention is not an option, it is in my blood and always will be.

3. I know some posters bad talk every little thing, berate and belittle, and I believe those are the ones you are speaking to here. However, many posters here who I respect and who I consider "fair", and me don't bag on every little thing, we bag on the big things. Unfortunately, there are so MANY big things that commenting on the big things makes us sound as if we are bitching all the time.

 

[redwine65]

I'm ok with frost going nowhere, as far as still being coach, but I hope his coaching goes somewhere, leads to something positive

 

[otismotis08]

I'm ok with frost going nowhere, as far as still being coach, but I hope his coaching goes somewhere, leads to something positive

Keep the faith.

 

[dinglefritz]

I'm ok with frost going nowhere, as far as still being coach, but I hope his coaching goes somewhere, leads to something positive

I vented on this board at one point during the game about Martinez's play. That said, man we should try to apply the 24 hour rule on ourselves when it comes to complaining about the coaches. I'm just glad we got to play some games. Frustrated by losing games that we shouldn't probably have lost. Time to move forward and I think Frost will be the right guy to do that. He's already jettisoned 2 of his original staff that needed to go. Trust the process. We've got really good people now in Moos and Ronnie Green running the show. We need to play the long game here. Whether Frost ran some of them off or not, this year's senior and junior classes have not done much for us. I've said for a year that Adrain's senior year is when we need to start judging Frost.

 

[TheHuskerFreak]

He will get two more years. We are all in on him like Illinois was all in on Lovie. They gave him 5 years and after 5 years the product was still garbage so they moved on. We will too if the product isn't better after the 2022 season.

I hope for the best. My expectation for next year is a winning season. Get to 7 wins next year and 9 wins in 2022. It will be year 4. 90% of the recruits will be all his. If he can't product a winning season next year, he never will. He'll get a 5th year, but he won't deserve it.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

My problem with all the “keep the faith” and “let’s see what changes he makes” crowd is simply why does he get the free pass?

Simple - because he is a former Husker and he has the Osborne stamp of approval.

People want to talk about not having a revolving door and all that but if this was an outsider putting up these win totals, not a soul would care about revolving doors and coach d’jour. There would be a pitchfork parade to get Moos and coach fired.

I don’t have a problem keeping Frost around, but I won’t pretend that it is for any reason other than he is a former Husker and has the TO stamp of approval.

 

[Redscarlet]

My problem with all the “keep the faith” and “let’s see what changes he makes” crowd is simply why does he get the free pass?

Simple - because he is a former Husker and he has the Osborne stamp of approval.

People want to talk about not having a revolving door and all that but if this was an outsider putting up these win totals, not a soul would care about revolving doors and coach d’jour. There would be a pitchfork parade to get Moos and coach fired.

I don’t have a problem keeping Frost around, but I won’t pretend that it is for any reason other than he is a former Husker and has the TO stamp of approval.

He isn’t getting a free pass, plenty of us are on his *** now to make changes either some staff or game decisions and in other areas like special teams...

98% of the fan base wanted him hired to be our next coach and the majority never thought we would have hired a coach like Mike Riley thinking that was a good hire for our program..

I still see more of a future with SF than I ever did with the Mike Riley hire...

 

[54T]

My problem with all the “keep the faith” and “let’s see what changes he makes” crowd is simply why does he get the free pass?

Simple - because he is a former Husker and he has the Osborne stamp of approval.

People want to talk about not having a revolving door and all that but if this was an outsider putting up these win totals, not a soul would care about revolving doors and coach d’jour. There would be a pitchfork parade to get Moos and coach fired.

I don’t have a problem keeping Frost around, but I won’t pretend that it is for any reason other than he is a former Husker and has the TO stamp of approval.

John Blake was a former Sooner and had the Switzer stamp of approval.

He went 12-22 in 3 seasons before being fired. Depressingly similar to Frost’s 12-20. I’m not saying Frost should be fired. But at some point the Huskers need to find their version of Stoops. It is increasingly looking like Frost isn’t that guy.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

John Blake was a former Sooner and had the Switzer stamp of approval.

He went 12-22 in 3 seasons before being fired. Depressingly similar to Frost’s 12-20. I’m not saying Frost should be fired. But at some point the Huskers need to find their version of Stoops. It is increasingly looking like Frost isn’t that guy.

going back 30+ years, no blue blood program has ever decided to capitulate after a coach has had 3 consecutive losing seasons

no coach has survived 3 consecutive losing seasons at a blue blood program in the past 30+ years

 

[Redscarlet]

going back 30+ years, no blue blood program has ever decided to capitulate after a coach has had 3 consecutive losing seasons

This season wasn’t a normal season ( COVID-19) like none other. And Head coaches buy out after 3 for Blake‘s was even in the same ball park as SF..

Blake also had to follow Schnellenberger for one season and Frost had to change Riley 3 years and don’t give me this he won 9 game crap..

 

[steinek11]

I'm going down with the ship. I hope Frost makes some changes.

I hope he has some trusted advisors that will tell him the truth. I'm afraid his counsel is a group of dudes in the sauna validating the crap out of each other

 

[Husker4real_rivals373787]

I agree that firing Frost is not the right move. But there can’t be any debate about whether he needs to get better at his job.

It is probably fair to suggest that the rebuilding job he inherited was tougher than he, or any of us imagined. But that is a poor excuse for the continued lack of fundamental play we see.

He needs to get better.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Blake also had to follow Schnellenberger for one season and Frost had to change Riley 3 years and don’t give me this he won 9 game crap..

not sure what criteria we are using to subjectively decide which seasons should count and which seasons should not

for reference

Stoops took over an OKl program that had zero winning seasons (23 combined wins) the prior 5 seasons
Frost took over a Neb program that had 3 winning seasons (37 total wins) the prior 5 seasons

 

[Redscarlet]

not sure what criteria we are using to subjectively decide which seasons should count and which seasons should not

for reference

Stoops took over an OKl program that had zero winning seasons (23 combined wins) the prior 5 seasons
Frost took over a Neb program that had 3 winning seasons (37 total wins) the prior 5 seasons

Ha, bone Head, Blake was Three times the recruiter better than Riley or even Frost.. Blake teams were loaded for Stoops taking over compared to Frost taking over for your buddy and pal, It was a night and day total difference...

 

[timnsun]

My problem with all the “keep the faith” and “let’s see what changes he makes” crowd is simply why does he get the free pass?

Simple - because he is a former Husker and he has the Osborne stamp of approval.

People want to talk about not having a revolving door and all that but if this was an outsider putting up these win totals, not a soul would care about revolving doors and coach d’jour. There would be a pitchfork parade to get Moos and coach fired.

I don’t have a problem keeping Frost around, but I won’t pretend that it is for any reason other than he is a former Husker and has the TO stamp of approval.

Tuco, good to see you posting more once again... this board is better with you posting.

You’re right about the rope given to Frost being longer than an outsider. I’m one of those that is all in on Frost, and hoping the light bulb turns on for him and the team. But if his name was any name other than a former husker, I have no doubt I would be calling for his head.

I am who I am, for better or for worse.

 

[oldjar07]

He will get two more years. We are all in on him like Illinois was all in on Lovie. They gave him 5 years and after 5 years the product was still garbage so they moved on. We will too if the product isn't better after the 2022 season.

I hope for the best. My expectation for next year is a winning season. Get to 7 wins next year and 9 wins in 2022. It will be year 4. 90% of the recruits will be all his. If he can't product a winning season next year, he never will. He'll get a 5th year, but he won't deserve it.

Comparing our program to Illinois... That's encouraging.

 

[oldjar07]

My problem with all the “keep the faith” and “let’s see what changes he makes” crowd is simply why does he get the free pass?

Simple - because he is a former Husker and he has the Osborne stamp of approval.

People want to talk about not having a revolving door and all that but if this was an outsider putting up these win totals, not a soul would care about revolving doors and coach d’jour. There would be a pitchfork parade to get Moos and coach fired.

I don’t have a problem keeping Frost around, but I won’t pretend that it is for any reason other than he is a former Husker and has the TO stamp of approval.

Maybe, I still think if he has a losing season next year, he's gone.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

I think we can all agree that he is going to be the head coach for the foreseeable future. You don’t have to like it but you might be happier not paying attention until he’s gone. It does no good to come on this or any other board and bad talk every move he makes. Constructive criticism is fine but the constant berating and belittling is just bringing the board down. Do yourselves and us a favor and take a leave of absence until things and coaches are more to your liking.

No

You don't get to dictate to other fans what we can or cannot do regarding criticizing this coaching staff and their decisions.

To think you can proclaim this, is about as arrogant a move as I have seen in awhile.

 

[ridge22]

2021 is going to be a huge year for Frost. He has to win some games that at Nebraska are a must, and that he has not done in his first 3 years here, and in 2021 he will have several chances to accomplish some of those.

1) Beat Iowa or Wisconsin or both. Both of these games are at home. Wisconsin looks like they have come back to the pack a little this year and in 21 they are gettable. He has played Iowa close 3 times and will get them at home with a full week to prepare and not have to deal with a short Thanksgiving week.

2) Beat a ranked team and or a top 10 team. He will probably get two shots at a top 10 team with Oklahoma and Ohio State and probably play 3-5 ranked teams. There is an outside chance the Buffalo may be ranked early in 2021 coming off a strong 2020 season, so that may be a good shot to end that streak.

3) He has to be over .500 in conference play. 9-17 in conference play for 3 years is terrible, in threes years of conference play he does not have a winning record against any of the coaches he will face next year.

4) Bowl game!! Plain and simple.

If none of these happen you have to sit down and take a hard look at if you want this cat to lead the program in to 2022. If he can check of at least two of the four above you ride with him in to 2022. 1 and 4 seem to me to be the most attainable in 2021.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch_rivals294365]

He isn’t getting a free pass, plenty of us are on his *** now to make changes either some staff or game decisions and in other areas like special teams...

98% of the fan base wanted him hired to be our next coach and the majority never thought we would have hired a coach like Mike Riley thinking that was a good hire for our program..

I still see more of a future with SF than I ever did with the Mike Riley hire...

That’s what he’s saying though. There’s really no reason whatsoever to see more of a future with SF than with Riley...and I thought Riley was literally the worst possible hire for Nebraska.