Frost is going nowhere

Redscarlet

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That’s what he’s saying though. There’s really no reason whatsoever to see more of a future with SF than with Riley...and I thought Riley was literally the worst possible hire for Nebraska.

There is a lot of young talent SF and the staff has recruited going into his so called 4th year, more so than what Riley would have came back for his 4th season..
 

oldjar07

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There is a lot of young talent SF and the staff has recruited going into his so called 4th year, more so than what Riley would have came back for his 4th season..
Well then we better start winning some games.
 

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2021 is going to be a huge year for Frost. He has to win some games that at Nebraska are a must, and that he has not done in his first 3 years here, and in 2021 he will have several chances to accomplish some of those.

1) Beat Iowa or Wisconsin or both. Both of these games are at home. Wisconsin looks like they have come back to the pack a little this year and in 21 they are gettable. He has played Iowa close 3 times and will get them at home with a full week to prepare and not have to deal with a short Thanksgiving week.

2) Beat a ranked team and or a top 10 team. He will probably get two shots at a top 10 team with Oklahoma and Ohio State and probably play 3-5 ranked teams. There is an outside chance the Buffalo may be ranked early in 2021 coming off a strong 2020 season, so that may be a good shot to end that streak.

3) He has to be over .500 in conference play. 9-17 in conference play for 3 years is terrible, in threes years of conference play he does not have a winning record against any of the coaches he will face next year.

4) Bowl game!! Plain and simple.

If none of these happen you have to sit down and take a hard look at if you want this cat to lead the program in to 2022. If he can check of at least two of the four above you ride with him in to 2022. 1 and 4 seem to me to be the most attainable in 2021.

1 and 2 is not going to happen. 3 is possible if we improve on discipline. At best we win 6-7 games. 4-8 is more likely in my honest opinion.
 

timnsun

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No

You don't get to dictate to other fans what we can or cannot do regarding criticizing this coaching staff and their decisions.

To think you can proclaim this, is about as arrogant a move as I have seen in awhile.
Agreed. It’s almost like proclaiming to this board how you know for certain that specific players were promised starting jobs and are the worst player to start and calling the head coach a whining loser who needs to quit now. That and also patting themself on the back for properly predicting the last 3 years even when the rest of the board disagreed...

That’s the epitome of arrogance.
 

Rick.Shaw1

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I think we can all agree that he is going to be the head coach for the foreseeable future. You don’t have to like it but you might be happier not paying attention until he’s gone. It does no good to come on this or any other board and bad talk every move he makes. Constructive criticism is fine but the constant berating and belittling is just bringing the board down. Do yourselves and us a favor and take a leave of absence until things and coaches are more to your liking.
Foreseeable = At least...AT LEAST one more year and probably 2. If no improvement that is probably the end of the story. If improvement...we will be blessed and he may be here for longer. Listen...you can’t put a poor product out for very long before you are shown the door...especially at that money. Just doesn’t happen.
 

Husker4lyfe15

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I think we can all agree that he is going to be the head coach for the foreseeable future. You don’t have to like it but you might be happier not paying attention until he’s gone. It does no good to come on this or any other board and bad talk every move he makes. Constructive criticism is fine but the constant berating and belittling is just bringing the board down. Do yourselves and us a favor and take a leave of absence until things and coaches are more to your liking.
So at what point am i allowed to be critical? After another 4 win season...
 

Huskerz99

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This isn’t intramural football. I know a few former players are saying wining season next year or he has to go. I have said that too. I think he can do it but I’m 55/45 saying he can.
 
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I do still think Bill Moos is a great AD, and among the best ever at NU

whether the guys he hired produce or not is kind of neither here nor there so long as it doesn't obviously become unworkable, at least considering the resources he's made available to them

should it come to it (very much hoping it doesn't), I'd trust him to hire the next hoops/football coaches, too
 

OxfordComma

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This season wasn’t a normal season ( COVID-19) like none other. And Head coaches buy out after 3 for Blake‘s was even in the same ball park as SF..

Blake also had to follow Schnellenberger for one season and Frost had to change Riley 3 years and don’t give me this he won 9 game crap..

I don’t give any Mulligans this year because of Covid. Why not? One, I saw the same undisciplined team, the same crappy play calling, the same lack of attention to detail for simple things like getting 11 players on punt return, the same lack of any production from any WRs. If Covid never happened, all of that would still be true.

Two, relatively speaking Covid gave us an advantage. We didn’t send our players home like other programs. They stayed here to train and work with their teammates and coaches. And we were never ravaged with key players in the Covid protocol.

This year counts. Covid isn’t to blame for 3 losing seasons out of 3.
 

JabroniBlvd

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We have a coach that wants to stay for the rest of his career. There is no better option - best scenario we get a diff good coach that uses Nebraska as a stepping stone. This is where we are at. Frost just needs to get his feet off the ground then I see us rolling well. About 1-2 years away yet.
 

Redscarlet

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I don’t give any Mulligans this year because of Covid. Why not? One, I saw the same undisciplined team, the same crappy play calling, the same lack of attention to detail for simple things like getting 11 players on punt return, the same lack of any production from any WRs. If Covid never happened, all of that would still be true.

Two, relatively speaking Covid gave us an advantage. We didn’t send our players home like other programs. They stayed here to train and work with their teammates and coaches. And we were never ravaged with key players in the Covid protocol.

This year counts. Covid isn’t to blame for 3 losing seasons out of 3.

If Covid never happened the schedule would have been completely different, we would have been playing Minnesota the day after Thanksgiving we would have been playing Ioway instead of Penn St on November 14...
The season opener would been at home against Purdue we would still been beaten badly by a New Year6 bowl Cincinnati team and likely having an 3-1 record going to Northwestern and could have been 5-2 by the time the B1G started the Covid season on October 24th this year..

No way was this year a normal season, not making excuses for SF having a losing season but I think in normal season Nebraska would have at least been bowl eligible if the season wasn’t a Covid 19 year...
 

bshirt73

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Tuco, good to see you posting more once again... this board is better with you posting.

You’re right about the rope given to Frost being longer than an outsider. I’m one of those that is all in on Frost, and hoping the light bulb turns on for him and the team. But if his name was any name other than a former husker, I have no doubt I would be calling for his head.

I am who I am, for better or for worse.

Yep, I too also think, hope & pray HCSF gets things figured out. But if someone else rings out 3 losing seasons in a row for NU.....well, to say the least, I wouldn't have this amount of patience.

Heh, I too am fully guilty. :rolleyes:
 

bshirt73

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2021 is going to be a huge year for Frost. He has to win some games that at Nebraska are a must, and that he has not done in his first 3 years here, and in 2021 he will have several chances to accomplish some of those.

1) Beat Iowa or Wisconsin or both. Both of these games are at home. Wisconsin looks like they have come back to the pack a little this year and in 21 they are gettable. He has played Iowa close 3 times and will get them at home with a full week to prepare and not have to deal with a short Thanksgiving week.

2) Beat a ranked team and or a top 10 team. He will probably get two shots at a top 10 team with Oklahoma and Ohio State and probably play 3-5 ranked teams. There is an outside chance the Buffalo may be ranked early in 2021 coming off a strong 2020 season, so that may be a good shot to end that streak.

3) He has to be over .500 in conference play. 9-17 in conference play for 3 years is terrible, in threes years of conference play he does not have a winning record against any of the coaches he will face next year.

4) Bowl game!! Plain and simple.

If none of these happen you have to sit down and take a hard look at if you want this cat to lead the program in to 2022. If he can check of at least two of the four above you ride with him in to 2022. 1 and 4 seem to me to be the most attainable in 2021.

Yes, that sound fair enough sir. The 1st two years were at least somewhat acceptable for bad results due to the horrible mess he took over. But for year four.....yeah, we should see some real improvement. I think we will but what do I know?
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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If Covid never happened the schedule would have been completely different, we would have been playing Minnesota the day after Thanksgiving we would have been playing Ioway instead of Penn St on November 14...
The season opener would been at home against Purdue we would still been beaten badly by a New Year6 bowl Cincinnati team and likely having an 3-1 record going to Northwestern and could have been 5-2 by the time the B1G started the Covid season on October 24th this year..

No way was this year a normal season, not making excuses for SF having a losing season but I think in normal season Nebraska would have at least been bowl eligible if the season wasn’t a Covid 19 year...

Neb was scheduled to play the exact same conference teams they were originally scheduled to play pre-COVID.
3 conference wins + 2 non-conf wins = another 5 win season

are you arguing that had Neb played Iowa Nov 14 rather than the day after Tgiving or played Northwestern on a different date the results would have been different?

year 3 and it requires all sorts of disingenuous mental gymnastics to fantasize about finally winning 6 games

2020 was another losing season - COVID or not
 
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timnsun

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Neb was scheduled to play the exact same conference teams they were originally scheduled to play pre-COVID.
3 conference wins + 2 non-conf wins = another 5 win season

are you arguing that had Neb played Iowa Nov 14 rather than the day after Tgiving or played Northwestern on a different date the results would have been different?

year 3 and it requires all sorts of disingenuous mental gymnastics to fantasize about finally winning 6 games

2020 was another losing season - COVID or not
Speaking of disingenuous... here you are.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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Speaking of disingenuous... here you are.

deflect .. deflect .. deflect

still interested in a logical explanation of how this team would have gotten to 6 wins

and offering up that had Neb played Team A on date X rather than date Z they would have won is just sad
 

dinglefritz

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I hope he has some trusted advisors that will tell him the truth. I'm afraid his counsel is a group of dudes in the sauna validating the crap out of each other
He's already heard from guys he respects immensely. Stai let him have it on air after the Minnesota game. It appeared that his game plan against Rutgers was adjusted at least in part to his recognition of their failure in the Minnesota game. I still believe they'll figure it out. Frost isn't living in a vacuum.
 

dinglefritz

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not sure what criteria we are using to subjectively decide which seasons should count and which seasons should not

for reference

Stoops took over an OKl program that had zero winning seasons (23 combined wins) the prior 5 seasons
Frost took over a Neb program that had 3 winning seasons (37 total wins) the prior 5 seasons
All Stoops had to find was a QB. That team he took over was loaded with talent. That said, Stoops was a helluva coach.
 

timnsun

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deflect .. deflect .. deflect

still interested in a logical explanation of how this team would have gotten to 6 wins

and offering up that had Neb played Team A on date X rather than date Z they would have won is just sad
I will gladly do that as soon as you stop deflecting about which team you support. You have been asked 100 times and as soon as someone asks, you deflect and ignore.

So please, share which team you support (we know it’s not Nebraska) and I will then apply logic to your question.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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I will gladly do that as soon as you stop deflecting about which team you support. You have been asked 100 times and as soon as someone asks, you deflect and ignore.

So please, share which team you support (we know it’s not Nebraska) and I will then apply logic to your question.

there is no logical explanation to get to 6 wins

I’ve seen the delusional ones
 

Redscarlet

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I will gladly do that as soon as you stop deflecting about which team you support. You have been asked 100 times and as soon as someone asks, you deflect and ignore.

So please, share which team you support (we know it’s not Nebraska) and I will then apply logic to your question.

Will see what kind of balls he has now.. If he has any at all..

The ball is now in his court to spill the beans..
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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Will see what kind of balls he has now.. If he has any at all..

The ball is now in his court to spill the beans..

sorry ... I don’t engage in quid pro quo Clarice

you were the one (not the only one)that came up with the ridiculous at least 6 wins in a normal year nonsense

since you don’t really have a rational explanation I will continue to assume pure delusion

you can assume I’m a fan of whichever team you prefer
 
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Redscarlet

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sorry ... I don’t engage in quid pro quo Clarice

you were the one (not the only one)that came up with the ridiculous at least 6 wins in a normal year nonsense

since you don’t really have a rational explanation I will continue to assume pure delusion

you can assume I’m a fan of another team if you prefer

So you’re put on the spot and want to change the question you’ve been asked more than once... ***** out or answer the question..

Time for you to change the bed pans and come back when we have the sea of red in memorial stadium..
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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So you’re put on the spot and want to change the question you’ve been asked more than once... ***** out or answer the question..

Time for you to change the bed pans and come back when we have the sea of red in memorial stadium..

you posted how this team was at least a 6 win or better team ... I asked you to clarify and you responded by asking a completely different unrelated question

classic deflection .... much like pivoting to talking about media timeouts or sideline clapping rather than addressing the disaster on field or in this case the laughable 6+ win assertion

carry on
 

Headcard

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So you’re put on the spot and want to change the question you’ve been asked more than once... ***** out or answer the question..

Time for you to change the bed pans and come back when we have the sea of red in memorial stadium..
 

timnsun

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there is no logical explanation to get to 6 wins

I’ve seen the delusional ones
Here you go. Original schedule included Michigan State.

we win the 3 games we won (Purdue, Penn State and Rutgers), beat Michigan State and win 2 out of 3 non conference games. That’s 6 games.

Now what team are you a fan of again?
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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Here you go. Original schedule included Michigan State.

we win the 3 games we won (Purdue, Penn State and Rutgers), beat Michigan State and win 2 out of 3 non conference games. That’s 6 games.

Now what team are you a fan of again?


um no ... the original schedule included cross over games against OSU, PSU and Rutgers ... Neb wasn't playing 4 cross over games in the original schedule ... no MSU

I question if you or the poster who liked this post are really Neb fans if you don't even know the original schedule

original 2020 schedule
 
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Headcard

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Here you go. Original schedule included Michigan State.

we win the 3 games we won (Purdue, Penn State and Rutgers), beat Michigan State and win 2 out of 3 non conference games. That’s 6 games.

Now what team are you a fan of again?
I’m sure he will answer your very basic question now.....
 

timnsun

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um no ... the original schedule included cross over games against OSU, PSU and Rutgers ... Neb wasn't playing 4 cross over games in the original schedule ... no MSU

I question if you or the poster who liked this post are really Neb fans if you don't even know the original schedule

original 2020 schedule
My bad, I was looking at the conference only schedule and saw State on there... I guess we would have had to beat Wisconsin instead.

Logically speaking, an upset win over Wisconsin at home is doable. 6 wins.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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My bad, I was looking at the conference only schedule and saw State on there... I guess we would have had to beat Wisconsin instead.

Logically speaking, an upset win over Wisconsin at home is doable. 6 wins.


Wisconsin finished 3-3 in the conference - third in the division

Neb under Frost is 1-14 against BIG teams with a .500 or better conf record at years end
Neb under Frost has never beaten a team that finished in the top 3 of the West div

Neb is 2-6 at home against conf opponents the last 2 years
Neb and Wisc played 4 common opponents in 2020 -- Wisc had a 2-2 record -- Neb had a 0-4 record

absolutely no logical reason to expect Neb to have beaten Wisc
 
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