It happened again! We must stop this!!!!

Mack In Motion

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.....thereis a certain percentage of the American population that is pro-authoritarian, racist, hateful, willing to believe anything, and worst of all, willing to go out and do something about it. That part is a little scary, but the good news is, that it is a small minority of the population.

Would you find the people in your description here



Here



Or in both places?
 

Capdanjou

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Yup! I am, though. The institutions of government will start working again, and people will calm down (mostly) when things start to function well again and when people feel like their needs are being met.

Having said that, what the ugly, failed presidency of this orange criminal has exposed is that there is a certain percentage of the American population that is pro-authoritarian, racist, hateful, willing to believe anything, and worst of all, willing to go out and do something about it. That part is a little scary, but the good news is, that it is a small minority of the population.
I wish I believed that. Normally when I have a conversation with someone I can offer my views, they can do likewise, and we can find a middle ground for agreement, even if we have different interests and different positions. What the Trump presidency has exposed is that a great many Americans are completely unwilling, perhaps incapable of compromise. I find myself explaining to them that Pizzagate is an actual hoax, however Russia actually did/does interfere in our elections. How do you reason with someone pointing a gun in your face?
 

CHUDSoda

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A vaccine is not your savior. Explain the 99.99% of healthy people that get it and recover on their own.

Covid-19 is like the flu in that it's a seasonal, upper respiratory illness. The 'vaccine' for the flu is not particularly effective because A) the flu mutates and B) there are so many strains, it is a best guess as to which one will dominate the season. According to my 'right wing' CDC website, the vaccine is 20% to 60% effective over the last 10 years. Have a look --> https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm.

Now, another Trump MAGA website run by the WHO, says the flu kills anywhere from upwards of 650,000 people ANNUALLY --> https://www.who.int/news/item/13-12...ory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year. Wow, even with a vaccine? That seems like a lot.

So in conclusion, Covid-19 is plenty bad, and to date, it is deadlier than the flu for which there is a vaccine.

BUT, the hysteria is not worth the ADDITIONAL cost of lives and livelihoods lost as a consequence. The only statistic that matters is the death rate, and it is trending downward. We know way more about this than we did in March. I eagerly await your Maga derp reply or whatever other clever turn of phrase you've been saving up for just such an occasion.

A vaccine is not your savior. Explain the 99.99% of healthy people that get it and recover on their own.

- 99.99% of people do not recover on their own. Most do, but a not-insignificant number require hospitalization. We are very, very lucky that this virus is not more deadly than it is. If it were, this nonsense argument would not be available to you. A vaccine forces herd-immunity, which stops the completely unrestricted spread of the virus and protects the population from outbreak. If you want things to go back to normal, you have to have that vaccine and you have to get people to take it, which, unfortunately, might not be as easy as it should be thanks to the many, many bizarre anti-vaccine and anti-government weirdos out there.
In point of fact, the trend we're seeing right now is going to make you look like an idiot, unfortunately, in the next few months. We might be on track to double our deaths in this country by January. 500,000 Americans dead. Do you realize that, MAGA Chud? I really don't want that to happen, but our piecemeal, disorganized approach to this, and the terrible leadership at the top that has done absolutely nothing about it, is to blame.

Covid-19 is like the flu in that it's a seasonal, upper respiratory illness. The 'vaccine' for the flu is not particularly effective because A) the flu mutates and B) there are so many strains, it is a best guess as to which one will dominate the season. According to my 'right wing' CDC website, the vaccine is 20% to 60% effective over the last 10 years. Have a look --> https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm.

- No. Experts have consistently shot down this ignorant B.S. COVID-19 is only similar to the flu in the sense that it is highly contagious and related to upper respiratory problems. The viruses could not be more different, which in many ways is a good thing, because it suggests that a vaccine for COVID-19 will be 1.) much more effective, and 2.) only need to be had every few years or so, or perhaps a booster or something in the interim after you've been vaccinated.

By the way, I am not an expert in any of this stuff, I just don't consume right wing lies hoping that they'll pan out because my beliefs are so fragile that in order to sustain them, I have to consume untruthful garbage.
 

ChristmasBOnus

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Yup! I am, though. The institutions of government will start working again, and people will calm down (mostly) when things start to function well again and when people feel like their needs are being met.

Having said that, what the ugly, failed presidency of this orange criminal has exposed is that there is a certain percentage of the American population that is pro-authoritarian, racist, hateful, willing to believe anything, and worst of all, willing to go out and do something about it. That part is a little scary, but the good news is, that it is a small minority of the population.
No I don't think afghanistan, i think BLM and Antifa...If we eliminate those hateful criminal organizations (although a small minority) we may give peace a chance
 

Lincoln100

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Conservatives have sacrificed their humanity at the altar of Donald Trump. If I were to tell you a story of a nation where militias roam the land threatening to murder elected officials you might think Afghanistan, nope America. We live in a country where one of the major parties is decidedly anti democratic. I'm not especially hopeful our nation will bounce back.
Businesses preparing their stores for riots. They aren't doing that because Trump supporters, you nincompoop. Biden wins, people who voted for Trump shake their heads and then go to work the next day. Trump wins, a healthy % of Biden supporters loot and burn and pillage.
 

Capdanjou

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You are referring to ANTIFA and BLM, right? I assume so and I am happy to provide you with hundreds of examples to support your claim.

Or, are the attacks, fires, vandalism, death threats only and 'idea'. Oh my, my eyes have been deceiving me. Regardless of the outcome tomorrow, you know it's going to be difficult to get that lawless genie back into the bottle. Agree?
Nope, but your mention of BLM proves my point. You are furthering racist propaganda when you attack BLM. By the way, I have never defended antifa, so you can stop with that nonsense. BLM, on the other hand is a social movement for racial equality, that you link them with antifa shows where you stand, and your pose is very unflattering.
 

GBRforLife1

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Do you mean an actual virologist and epidemiologist? If so, you're not referring to Scott Atlas.

Your appeal to authority is cute. Totally idiotic, but cute. You probably believe in "climate change" too. Same tired garbage. Not quite sure how you've lived this long without "experts" holding your hand at every step.

Your hypocrisy is amazing. Not sure how you can even question Dr. Scott Atlas since you don't have the credentials.

The idea that only someone with an epi or viro degree can possibly interpret the scientific evidence is ludicrous. 🤡
 

CHUDSoda

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Would you find the people in your description here



Here



Or in both places?

Picture 1:
Definitely fits the entire description.

Picture 2:
Willing to go out and do something about it, and willing to believe things that might not be helpful, yes. These people are not racist and do not like authoritarianism, though. If your point is to try to smear protesting with the same conclusions a reasonable person would draw about far-right Nazi nutbags, you can go clutch your pearls somewhere else.
 

GBRforLife1

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Conservatives have sacrificed their humanity at the altar of Donald Trump. If I were to tell you a story of a nation where militias roam the land threatening to murder elected officials you might think Afghanistan, nope America. We live in a country where one of the major parties is decidedly anti democratic. I'm not especially hopeful our nation will bounce back.

More lib hysteria and false reality. 🤡
 

Mack In Motion

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Picture 1:
Definitely fits the entire description.

Picture 2:
Willing to go out and do something about it, and willing to believe things that might not be helpful, yes. These people are not racist and do not like authoritarianism, though. If your point is to try to smear protesting with the same conclusions a reasonable person would draw about far-right Nazi nutbags, you can go clutch your pearls somewhere else.
Lol
 

GBRforLife1

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Yup! I am, though. The institutions of government will start working again, and people will calm down (mostly) when things start to function well again and when people feel like their needs are being met.

Having said that, what the ugly, failed presidency of this orange criminal has exposed is that there is a certain percentage of the American population that is pro-authoritarian, racist, hateful, willing to believe anything, and worst of all, willing to go out and do something about it. That part is a little scary, but the good news is, that it is a small minority of the population.

Round and round in circles you go.
 

huskernation1973

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Businesses preparing their stores for riots. They aren't doing that because Trump supporters, you nincompoop. Biden wins, people who voted for Trump shake their heads and then go to work the next day. Trump wins, a healthy % of Biden supporters loot and burn and pillage.
What percentage is a healthy one? Just wondering, because I, my parents, and several members of my extended family, as well as many friends, have voted or intend to vote for Biden, and I don't think any of us will be anywhere besides work on Wednesday. Well, except for my parents; they won't be at work, but only because they're retired.
 

ChristmasBOnus

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I wish I believed that. Normally when I have a conversation with someone I can offer my views, they can do likewise, and we can find a middle ground for agreement, even if we have different interests and different positions. What the Trump presidency has exposed is that a great many Americans are completely unwilling, perhaps incapable of compromise. I find myself explaining to them that Pizzagate is an actual hoax, however Russia actually did/does interfere in our elections. How do you reason with someone pointing a gun in your face?
Oh nooooo Russia Russia Russia ! The Bidens are victims again!! Hunters pictures are a hoax all over the web also? Boy i'd love to play poker against you... And Bill NEVER had relations with that young intern!!
Good grief you, do realize politicians (all) mis-spoke as Hillary say's...both Isles do! its their job
both sides CAN talk when you let go of the absolute BS you defend and wake the HECK up.
Real crap floats to the surface....and both parties are good at being the "little guy's friend, uh huh
 

GBRforLife1

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Nope, but your mention of BLM proves my point. You are furthering racist propaganda when you attack BLM. By the way, I have never defended antifa, so you can stop with that nonsense. BLM, on the other hand is a social movement for racial equality, that you link them with antifa shows where you stand, and your pose is very unflattering.
You know how I can tell you're lying? When I see a post from you.
 

CHUDSoda

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Nov 2, 2020
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You are referring to ANTIFA and BLM, right? I assume so and I am happy to provide you with hundreds of examples to support your claim.

Or, are the attacks, fires, vandalism, death threats only an 'idea'. Oh my, my eyes have been deceiving me. Regardless of the outcome tomorrow, you know it's going to be difficult to get that lawless genie back into the bottle. Agree?

No, actually. I think without a leader who is constantly stirring **** up, things will calm down a lot. Except on your end, of course, since the right-wing crazies don't seem to care about anything other than being crazy.
 

big red23

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A vaccine is not your savior. Explain the 99.99% of healthy people that get it and recover on their own.

- 99.99% of people do not recover on their own. Most do, but a not-insignificant number require hospitalization. We are very, very lucky that this virus is not more deadly than it is. If it were, this nonsense argument would not be available to you. A vaccine forces herd-immunity, which stops the completely unrestricted spread of the virus and protects the population from outbreak. If you want things to go back to normal, you have to have that vaccine and you have to get people to take it, which, unfortunately, might not be as easy as it should be thanks to the many, many bizarre anti-vaccine and anti-government weirdos out there.
In point of fact, the trend we're seeing right now is going to make you look like an idiot, unfortunately, in the next few months. We might be on track to double our deaths in this country by January. 500,000 Americans dead. Do you realize that, MAGA Chud? I really don't want that to happen, but our piecemeal, disorganized approach to this, and the terrible leadership at the top that has done absolutely nothing about it, is to blame.

Covid-19 is like the flu in that it's a seasonal, upper respiratory illness. The 'vaccine' for the flu is not particularly effective because A) the flu mutates and B) there are so many strains, it is a best guess as to which one will dominate the season. According to my 'right wing' CDC website, the vaccine is 20% to 60% effective over the last 10 years. Have a look --> https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm.

- No. Experts have consistently shot down this ignorant B.S. COVID-19 is only similar to the flu in the sense that it is highly contagious and related to upper respiratory problems. The viruses could not be more different, which in many ways is a good thing, because it suggests that a vaccine for COVID-19 will be 1.) much more effective, and 2.) only need to be had every few years or so, or perhaps a booster or something in the interim after you've been vaccinated.

By the way, I am not an expert in any of this stuff, I just don't consume right wing lies hoping that they'll pan out because my beliefs are so fragile that in order to sustain them, I have to consume untruthful garbage.
This is way to much logical information for him to take in. Get ready for a Hodgetwins chart or something
 

steinek11

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Picture 1:
Definitely fits the entire description.

Picture 2:
Willing to go out and do something about it, and willing to believe things that might not be helpful, yes. These people are not racist and do not like authoritarianism, though. If your point is to try to smear protesting with the same conclusions a reasonable person would draw about far-right Nazi nutbags, you can go clutch your pearls somewhere else.
CHUD, CHOP, CHAZ. You and you're nonsensical, made up words.

You need any help moving to Anarchyville? I am free on most Fridays. Corona boogey-man has taken down my beloved Huskers. We'll set you up with a go fund me account to get things off the ground.
 

wolve1972

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I'll make this super simple for you. If you're under the age of 75, this whole virus is a nothingburger. If you're under 75 and not taking care of your health, you better make some changes. Protect those most vulnerable. The rest of you, quit being such pansies.
That's easy to say, but the big unknown right now - since this thing attacks the heart and lungs hard - is what the long-term affect it will have on younger people now contracting it.

And, of course, the hospital capacity being overrun. It's happening right now in my area. Do we start picking and choosing - as it gets worse - who lives and dies ?

I had a friend die 2 months ago (with a weak immune system) and she was only 52, I have another whose daughter - only 37 - is in the hospital for Covid and has been in for 3 weeks now. She's a nurse who was in constant contact with Covid and is paying the price right now. To those who claim Covid is overblown, put yourself in some of their (medical field) shoes. Many are scared shitless.

My point: some just need to be quiet when offering opinion on how this nasty thing is being overblown. We're just now starting to understand this thing which has been around only 7 or 8 months. I just don't want to see my grandchildren come down with long term health problems due to this damn thing. I'm not saying start shutting everything down but for God's sake, EVERYONE needs to take this thing very seriously and wear masks and keep a distance til we really understand this thing
 

Lincoln100

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I am for following the guidelines of experts who tell us what we need to do. You know, evidence-based rather than ideological strategies, yes. Are you in favor of that or of screaming and running around like a MAGA chud?

You certainly come off more as a CHODESoda. I mean, why not shut everyone and everything down? That would absolutely minimize deaths associated with COVID. Isn't that all that matters? Stay inside and don't come out until you are told to by the experts, that'll make the world a better place. And while you're at it, don't do anything else that might increase yours, or anyone else's, risk of harm or death. You know, like eat fast food, or drive a car.

CHODE, why is it that those who don't think that government knows best, are Trump supporters? I'm just anti-you. That means I'm against weak-minded and weak-spirited chodes who can't think for themselves.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Thanks doc. You proved that you have no idea what you are talking about. First of all, we are talking comorbidity, not speed of mortality. Second, the analogy comes from my mother's cousin, who in addition to an M.D., has PhD's in public health and immunology (I think I mentioned him earlier on here and said one of his PhD's was in epidemiology; I was wrong on that, it's immunology). The guy worked for 20 years at the NIH and then went to Walter Reed as their top doc studying viral immunology. He has been retired for almost 7 years, writing SciFi novels, but was called back to help on this because of his extraordinary level of expertise in viral diseases. I'll take his analogy on what constitutes a comorbidity over your Google M.D. and confirmation bias.
Stacking comorbities shortens your life.
Hving a trigger to immediately weaken you from them, wuhan is good at.
But, the numbers dont lie.
Placing people on their backs, not using steroids etc, over time weve lessoned impacts of things like aids cancers etc, so too are we quickly doing so with the virus.

The death rates vs numbers have fallen off sharply, and continuing to improve, if not for the obvious, that low hanging fruit is being better kept away from the virus, and is in much smaller numbers due to our inexperience and its virulence.
 

Capdanjou

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Oh nooooo Russia Russia Russia ! The Bidens are victims again!! Hunters pictures are a hoax all over the web also? Boy i'd love to play poker against you... And Bill NEVER had relations with that young intern!!
Good grief you, do realize politicians (all) mis-spoke as Hillary say's...both Isles do! its their job
both sides CAN talk when you let go of the absolute BS you defend and wake the HECK up.
Real crap floats to the surface....and both parties are good at being the "little guy's friend, uh huh
Yup, Russia interfered, and they are doing so again. It matters not that many RePubs lack the mental bandwidth to understand that this is happening, or the deficit of moral fortitude to accept that it is dangerous for nations to encourage meddling. Politics is much harder than simpletons make it out to be. Thousands upon thousands of interests, and RePubs have boiled it down to like 5 issues, the rest be damned. Maybe that worked 150 years ago, but it's beyond foolish to think one can act so irresponsibly in modern society.
 

big red23

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That's easy to say, but the big unknown right now - since this thing attacks the heart and lungs hard - is what the long-term affect it will have on younger people now contracting it.

And, of course, the hospital capacity being overrun. It's happening right now in my area. Do we start picking and choosing - as it gets worse - who lives and dies ?

I had a friend die 2 months ago (with a weak immune system) and she was only 52, I have another whose daughter - only 37 - is in the hospital for Covid and has been in for 3 weeks now. She's a nurse who was in constant contact with Covid and is paying the price right now. To those who claim Covid is overblown, put yourself in some of their (medical field) shoes. Many are scared shitless.

My point: some just need to be quiet when offering opinion on how this nasty thing is being overblown. We're just now starting to understand this thing which has been around only 7 or 8 months. I just don't want to see my grandchildren come down with long term health problems due to this damn thing. I'm not saying start shutting everything down but for God's sake, EVERYONE needs to take this thing very seriously and wear masks and keep a distance til we really understand this thing
Amen!

but but but... some random twitter doctor that says something else and you don't have a chart. So since your loved ones are only part of the .01% we should just say f it
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Jun 20, 2019
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All kidding and political parties aside, do regulations such as the below, which are now implemented in some states, bother anyone besides me, or are we good with the below until corona is all gone?

"All dine-in food service establishments must maintain accurate records of the names and phone numbers of patrons who purchase food for consumption on the premises, and the date and time of entry."

Mandatory Requirements for All Gatherings

Gatherings can not have people from more than three households. This includes anyone who is present at the gatherings."

"The host should collect names and contact information of attendees for contact tracing."

"All gatherings must be held outside. "

"Gatherings may occur in outdoor spaces that are covered by umbrellas, canopies, awnings, roofs, and other shade structures provided that at least three sides of the space (or 75%) are open to the outdoors."

"People at gatherings may remove their face coverings briefly to eat or drink as long as they stay at least 6 feet away from everyone outside their own household, and put their face covering back on as soon as they are done with the activity."

"Gatherings should be two hours or less."
Theyd bother the any free man or woman.
Its too late to chase this down this way.
 

Capdanjou

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Amen!

but but but... some random twitter doctor that says something else and you don't have a chart. So since your loved ones are only part of the .01% we should just say f it
Isn't that the RePub argument for everything. First they deny it exists, then they begrudgingly admit it exists, but not that it's a problem, when they have no choice but to recognize its a problem, they throw up their hands and argue there is nothing that we mere mortals can do to change things, so f it. It might be slightly less frustrating if they didn't claim to be all about personal responsibility.
 

WHCSC

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Isn't that the RePub argument for everything. First they deny it exists, then they begrudgingly admit it exists, but not that it's a problem, when they have no choice but to recognize its a problem, they throw up their hands and argue there is nothing that we mere mortals can do to change things, so f it. It might be slightly less frustrating if they didn't claim to be all about personal responsibility.

It's as if they change their minds as much as the CDC :rolleyes:
 

steinek11

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Yup, Russia interfered, and they are doing so again. It matters not that many RePubs lack the mental bandwidth to understand that this is happening, or the deficit of moral fortitude to accept that it is dangerous for nations to encourage meddling. Politics is much harder than simpletons make it out to be. Thousands upon thousands of interests, and RePubs have boiled it down to like 5 issues, the rest be damned. Maybe that worked 150 years ago, but it's beyond foolish to think one can act so irresponsibly in modern society.
Russia interfered, China, Iran, who else? The Russians are probably helping Republicans and the Chinese stump for team Grifter, er Biden with millions of dollars for 'introductions' Hey, don't get mad at me, it's Hunter's laptop!

The US govt is the biggest meddler of all time. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-than-russia-meddling-author-says/5700657002/

Turnabout is fair play, unfortunately. The interference is happening to both sides.
 

ChristmasBOnus

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Yup, Russia interfered, and they are doing so again. It matters not that many RePubs lack the mental bandwidth to understand that this is happening, or the deficit of moral fortitude to accept that it is dangerous for nations to encourage meddling. Politics is much harder than simpletons make it out to be. Thousands upon thousands of interests, and RePubs have boiled it down to like 5 issues, the rest be damned. Maybe that worked 150 years ago, but it's beyond foolish to think one can act so irresponsibly in modern society.
Google and fakebook and tech giants are ALL interfering! Sure foreign countries wish to influence elections, heck the US of A has been at it around the globe for years, BUT our own MEDIA is the biggest concern, so RePubs...are not the dolts you so believe, but 2-3 steps ahead generally, of the puppet led left.
I rarely have met a free thinking liberal, who is not knee deep in his professor's philosophy that has been able to discuss without bias, or even begin to challenge my thought process with any reason(s)
that are even remotely logical.
 

red scowl

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I am amazed at how many people that knows someone that died from corona...
Lots of Corona bros out today.