CDC wants positive tests so they set pcr cycles at 40 - this makes every positive test worthless.
It happened again! We must stop this!!!!
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That you're heeding the words of Scott Atlas is very telling. He has absolutely no credibility in this. I feel as if you're one of those people who suffered a heart attack, and went to your chiropractor for treatment.
Guy who claims others don't see the big picture telling others to get over themselves for a virus that has shown positive tests for less than 3% of the country after 8+ months and the vast majority had mild symptoms.
It is impossible to reason with anyone who completely abandons facts and logic when dealing with issues like this. The vast vast majority people under 75 bounce back from this and quickly. Not everyone, but 99.99%. You're willing to wreck the economy and put other lives at risk from suicide, domestic abuse, drug and alcohol deaths and social isolation, to protect the 0.01% that we all agree needs protecting? What am I supposed to do with such flawed reasoning? I can't it's like reasoning with a three-year-old that desperately wants a cookie
That you're saying a guy who cites scientific evidence is not credible is all we need to know about you.
Cases are spiking a little but death rate is not, nor will it. As the virus is transmitted through the population it gets weaker and easier to deal with. There are great therapeutic treatments that are scorned. The top epidemiologists at Harvard, Stanford, and Oxford disagree with how our nation is handling this virus. So the very best in their fields are know-nothing science deniers?
Well guess what I care about those 3%. Look dude you don't think I know I'm talking to a devoted Trump supporter and this is going to go somewhere? Just know there is a **** ton of people out there that actually care about the people that you consider irrelevant. We will see soon enough, if Trump wins I will put up with another 4 years of this and continue to love both my Republican and Democratic friends and family. Can you say the same if Biden wins and shuts things down again? I am going to go with a negative. You know why, because you don't look past your own beliefs... Your beliefs Trump mine right, because you are right and anyone that disagrees is wrong?
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You care so much youre willing to close down people's businesses they've spent their lives to build, financially destroy them.
You care so much that you want to shut schools down, sometimes the only place some kids can get a stable meal. And let those most in need fall behind.
You care so much you'll isolate those at the end of their lives to save them even though they'll be miserable.
You care so much that you accept this response has led to a huge increase in suicides and overdoses.
I'm not sure how much more the country can tolerate you caring.
Let me ask you something.
What happens of Trump gets his way and everything just opens up like there is nothing going on? Do you not think those number change drastically. 90,000+ people packed into multiple football stadiums with no masks. Things will be fine right? Talk about reasoning with people that don't understand! A freaking doctor from Nebraska Medical Center was on the news yesterday that said they are going to run out of beds. So let's just say f*** it and not care? There is 330 million people in America and if we all dust didn't care we'd all have it. There would be way more deaths, if we didn't do these "pansy" precautions.
PS. You gather that data yourself?
Peace, I'm done discussing this!
1. No, I think they need a bailout.
2. No my significant other is a Teacher, but they need to still take precautions.
3. No, but I'm not going to complain I got to wear a mask when I am out in public to protect them.
4. Talk to your republican leaders about Mental Health taking a presidence. The suicidal thoughts were there before COVID-19 came around, and Mental Health is never a top priority for them. But reversing Roe v Wade is
That's an excellent point. I removed the comment. However, that doesn't change the fact that Crazyhole had no idea what he was talking about, and yet felt the need to throw his ignorance out there for everyone to see. If he chooses to do so, he has to expect to be challenged with facts, whether those are facts are based directly on my education or come from one of the top viral immunology experts in America.
So your answer to government ruining things is... More government. Comical, but sad.
None of this was political until you started posting. But if your posts are representative of the state of the Democratic party it's no surprise blue states are such in such overtaxed disarray.
Go clutch your pearls over Roe somewhere else.
The issue is that each pcr cycle doubles the detection the USA is running tests at 40 cycles and Fauci himself says anything in the upper 30s is no good.
I'm glad you're done discussing this because you're adding nothing worthwhile to the discussion. It's 10 AM. Put a lid on it.
Trump getting his way? That's not how this works. Trump doesn't have a magic wand and he's not mandating that states open. He's encouraging it, and that's what people want. The STATES, by their elected governors are re-opening in phases as they see fit, trying to help their citizens survive financially. How long can businesses survive without customers? Not long!! Are you paying attention to rent and mortgage defaults? Can you make the connection to unemployment? Can you connect unemployment to shutdowns and lockdowns?
We want the FREEDOM to direct our own lives at the LOCAL and state level. In Omaha, our beef is really with unelected bureaucrats like Adi Pour and an ignorant city council, not the POTUS. Have you gone outside Omaha and Lincoln? People in the Western part of the state are not wearing the masks much. They're not dying en masse.
WTH are national lockdowns accomplishing? NOTHING. They are indirectly responsible for thousands of deaths. A lockdown is merely delaying the inevitable. The virus has to run its course. You can't see it and you can't hide from it, and I'm sorry to report, but a 99c bandana won't stop it. Your dam 'flattening of the curve' is on day 300! Wake up! 2021 gonna be rough no matter who is sitting (or sleeping) in the White House.
Dude you are oblivious to anything that is outside of your realm. Good luck with all that hate
All kidding and political parties aside, do regulations such as the below, which are now implemented in some states, bother anyone besides me, or are we good with the below until corona is all gone?
"All dine-in food service establishments must maintain accurate records of the names and phone numbers of patrons who purchase food for consumption on the premises, and the date and time of entry."
Mandatory Requirements for All Gatherings
Gatherings can not have people from more than three households. This includes anyone who is present at the gatherings."
"The host should collect names and contact information of attendees for contact tracing."
"All gatherings must be held outside. "
"Gatherings may occur in outdoor spaces that are covered by umbrellas, canopies, awnings, roofs, and other shade structures provided that at least three sides of the space (or 75%) are open to the outdoors."
"People at gatherings may remove their face coverings briefly to eat or drink as long as they stay at least 6 feet away from everyone outside their own household, and put their face covering back on as soon as they are done with the activity."
"Gatherings should be two hours or less."
"All dine-in food service establishments must maintain accurate records of the names and phone numbers of patrons who purchase food for consumption on the premises, and the date and time of entry."
Mandatory Requirements for All Gatherings
Gatherings can not have people from more than three households. This includes anyone who is present at the gatherings."
"The host should collect names and contact information of attendees for contact tracing."
"All gatherings must be held outside. "
"Gatherings may occur in outdoor spaces that are covered by umbrellas, canopies, awnings, roofs, and other shade structures provided that at least three sides of the space (or 75%) are open to the outdoors."
"People at gatherings may remove their face coverings briefly to eat or drink as long as they stay at least 6 feet away from everyone outside their own household, and put their face covering back on as soon as they are done with the activity."
"Gatherings should be two hours or less."
all I got was blah blah blah... yay Trump... Snowflakes are pansies... I'm going to do what I want cause I'm an American... blah blah blah... yay Trump... I don't care about anyone else but myself... yay narcissism
Read this and stop with the hyperbole and hysteria.
Be honest. You don't read any of the charts or medical papers, do you? Stop getting your news from Lady Gaga.
It makes me sad that you resort to this because you're either too lazy or simply unable to form a cogent argument.
I read what comes out of our presidents mouth... why do I need to read a manipulated chart that comes from one of your far right websites?
Why would I make an argument to someone who has no ability to accept a different perspective
Mask mandates, working from home, restrictions on gathering, school closures, etc., are all measures we need to take because there is no vaccine and because our response to this epidemic has not been universal, therefore we have to pursue more cut-and-dry measures to attempt to arrest the spread of the virus.
"THAT ARGUMENT IS NOT MAGA ENOUGH IT IS NOT A COGENT ARGUMENT." - You
I am for following the guidelines of experts who tell us what we need to do. You know, evidence-based rather than ideological strategies, yes. Are you in favor of that or of screaming and running around like a MAGA chud?
"because our response to this epidemic has not been universal."
This is the reason why we are where we are at. The one thing I 100% agree with them on. Even if Biden wins the Presidency this is still going to be a problem for at least a year. Until the far right neo nazi losers no longer feel like they actually have a voice.
Edit: And the far left pro anarchy people no longer feel like they have to destroy public property.
Do you mean an actual virologist and epidemiologist? If so, you're not referring to Scott Atlas.That you're saying a guy who cites scientific evidence is not credible is all we need to know about you.
Conservatives have sacrificed their humanity at the altar of Donald Trump. If I were to tell you a story of a nation where militias roam the land threatening to murder elected officials you might think Afghanistan, nope America. We live in a country where one of the major parties is decidedly anti democratic. I'm not especially hopeful our nation will bounce back.
A vaccine is not your savior. Explain the 99.99% of healthy people that get it and recover on their own.
Covid-19 is like the flu in that it's a seasonal, upper respiratory illness. The 'vaccine' for the flu is not particularly effective because A) the flu mutates and B) there are so many strains, it is a best guess as to which one will dominate the season. According to my 'right wing' CDC website, the vaccine is 20% to 60% effective over the last 10 years. Have a look --> https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm.
Now, another Trump MAGA website run by the WHO, says the flu kills anywhere from upwards of 650,000 people ANNUALLY --> https://www.who.int/news/item/13-12...ory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year. Wow, even with a vaccine? That seems like a lot.
So in conclusion, Covid-19 is plenty bad, and to date, it is deadlier than the flu for which there is a vaccine.
BUT, the hysteria is not worth the ADDITIONAL cost of lives and livelihoods lost as a consequence. The only statistic that matters is the death rate, and it is trending downward. We know way more about this than we did in March. I eagerly await your Maga derp reply or whatever other clever turn of phrase you've been saving up for just such an occasion.
Yup! I am, though. The institutions of government will start working again, and people will calm down (mostly) when things start to function well again and when people feel like their needs are being met.
Having said that, what the ugly, failed presidency of this orange criminal has exposed is that there is a certain percentage of the American population that is pro-authoritarian, racist, hateful, willing to believe anything, and worst of all, willing to go out and do something about it. That part is a little scary, but the good news is, that it is a small minority of the population.
I don't care to engage in the politics end, but there are plenty of virologists and epidemiologists changing their tune on things, or aren't in favor of masking and lockdowns. A lot of of it depends on the person. Continuing to keep politics aside, Italy and a lot of Europe has been locked down or in a heavy masking period for a long time and they are now having huge surges as well. I am on conference calls with folks in Milan multiple times a week and they are just ready to say "F" it and just live life as nothing seems to be working.
I wear my mask and try to look out for others but at the end of the day it is coming no matter what. Yes it is a deadly virus, but I wish at some point the "science' could all work together and paint a true picture of what this thing is and how to move forward with it.
You are referring to ANTIFA and BLM, right? I assume so and I am happy to provide you with hundreds of examples to support your claim.
Or, are the attacks, fires, vandalism, death threats only an 'idea'. Oh my, my eyes have been deceiving me. Regardless of the outcome tomorrow, you know it's going to be difficult to get that lawless genie back into the bottle. Agree?