A great defensive pass rush can and does affect the play of the QB. It got to the point that Martinez was anticipating pressure when it wasn't really there. Martinez is not playing well. But if the line played better he would have more of a rhythm and feel more comfortable going through his progressions rather than taking his eyes off his receivers to look at the pass rush.
Everything keeps blaming the OLine but the problem is...
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This. Facts. All that I am saying.
Not trying to beat him up. Just saying that it’s so strange the way that he has regressed. Even if you have less time to throw, he is missing on simple throws to open played in short to mid range. It’s odd.
Great post. Although I am very happy with the play of Colin Miller, we have more depth on the d-line than at LB.
Miller would be a good OLB If we went to 4-3.
The Davis twins are a case in point. I have said for years that they are grossly overrated by Husker fans. They were mid level three star guys in high school and that is how they play. They are slow, lose leverage easily, have no bull rush power, and have lousy feet placement. Ohio State pushed them around like they were the Brady sisters.
That is exactly what I am talking about. Those dudes are second team guys at best. We need to recruit Wistrom and Peter brother types. Van denbosch, Tomich, Mike Rucker, Noonan, Neil Smith....
Once upon a time we got such players. But Pelini, the lazy deranged fool, failed to cash in on the Suh wave and did not recruit good defensive lineman. Nor did Riley. And... damn it... so far Frost hasn’t either.
Anybody looking any place other than our O line for our problems on offense is ignoring the obvious. AMart had almost no time at all to try to find a receiver let alone an open one. Farniok got abused by OSU's D-end. Most RTs are going to this year.
We tried at times. We kept guys in to protect and it didn't seem to matter much. That DE was a extremely disruptive but they have studs all along their D line and at LBer. One game. Really bad match up for us.
You can NOT say that so far Frost hasn't either. The first class was a last minute fill. The guys he got this past cycle look very good but they're freshman. IMO, they'll be very good players but it takes time. Patience weedhopper. It will come.
He's regressed largely due to the fact that he doesn't have a senior who made the right line calls and then was able to effectively do his job. Our O line would make Patrick Mahomes look like dog sh## right now. I'm hopeful they'll improve like last year.
The problem is, it’s not 1993 and Ohio State is a better program than you guys. But hey, look at it this way, would you rather still be good and be Penn State or Michigan State?
Tomich is a guy that doesn't get mentioned enough. He and Wistrom were deadly. VERY Little got outside of those two and QBs didn't stand a chance. They had motors
Fields looks like a great QB but we couldn't get pressure on him no matter what we did. He showed great touch on his throws for the most part but that is relatively easy when you've got all day to throw the ball. Then if you do cover, he is extremely quick and can make you pay with his feet. IMO though IF Adrian was on that team he would look awfully damned good too. Easy to do with that line and those weapons. It's one of the reasons I wasn't all that wild about last year's OSU QB as a pro prospect. He never faced much pressure or got hit. Virtually every throw was without pressure to a wide open receiver.
I want to see JD and Wandale punch Adrian in the mouth every time he throws the ball to high and hangs them out to dry.
JD is my favorite player and Adrian is going to end his career early. I hope the staff can get AM2 fixed.
At least jd didn’t get abused last night I think he had 1 catch wandale is small also, hopefully he can hold up this season, Hell Washington is walking wounded already. Mills didn’t fumble and actually had several pretty decent runs
IF we can fix the O line, AM2 will be fixed. He's got no confidence in the snaps or our O line's ability to block. That's a really bad deal for a young QB. People need to just throw this last game out and forget about it. We were way out classed and I've said for weeks that it was going to be a blow out. TWO years from now, I think we'll field a very good O line and AM will end up being drafted because of his great senior season.
I saw Stoll lined up wide a few times. It is not just a matter of helping on the pass pro. It is also
1) Tiring out the pass rush
2) frustrating the pass rush
3) Keeping the defense off balance.
** those quick dives to a FB also help.
I have calmed down a little, we were outclassed. I do think the high snaps are killing us and he has lost confidence in the line. I also think he has regressed some, let's blame it on the Manning passing academy! Remember the guy they said was graded higher than anyone??? I kid but still, just sayin....
No idea. But if he did it would be another reset button. Basically another 5 year setback
We were always most notable for The Pipeline and we counted pancake blocks as much as TD passes, so I am going to call BS on this remark. Oline has always been a point of pride.
Of course I suppose a “lot of posters” could be two or more.
Every QB is going to face pressure. Every pick last night was on him and he is lucky he didn't have 4 with the overthrow on the screen pass. Most talented QB in this programs history my ***. Throws at receivers feet. No touch. Overthrows screens and swing passes.
Negative. I'm an old school you win the Los you win the game guy. Back during our dark years I said we needed ol and dl and was called old school, a blue hair and living in the past on here. Well what's old is new again. You can call all the bs in the world but it won't resinate with me. I'm an ol guy and a dl guy so I am authentic unlike a lot of people on here. I'm not talking glory days when we had good lines. We haven't since the 90s. Hmmmmm have not been good by my standards since then. Not sure about yours. Last conference championship.... when we had a good ol and dl
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100% correct sir! Add to that with our center flying the ball everywhere to AMart......oh boy.
I rewatching parts of the game, my question is was Ohio State d line that talented that our o line couldn’t even engage enough to even grab jersey and hold. Or were they so confused with the line checks that they couldn’t even hold there own jock? Or a little of both
The OLine is the major problem on offense whether or not AM is struggling. The problem is a line that has 0 seniors and no leadership and new players at new positions. It is the height of arrogance to think that is something fixable in this short amount of time. Skill players can come in an contribute in year 1 or 2, it is much harder for players on the line and it shows. Watching Farniok getting the snot knocked out of him every play and spending most of the game on the turf should tell you what you need to know.
Burrow had Texas players in his face all night in Texas but was burning them. Martinez can't even hit someone if he has all day to throw which does happen. Oline can improve but it isn't on them. We ran for 184 when we couldn't pass for 50. No way that should happen if the only issue is the Oline. We need a different QB.
Obviously O-Line play this year has been lacking.....more times than not, Martinez is back there with pressure up to this point. Martinez has no confidence back there as a young starting QB. Don't care who you are back there in the pocket, without a confident QB, you will not make good decisions and will try to force the issue to make a play. I bought into the rose colored glasses also but now see, this is a 3 to 5 year deal to get the interior line where it needs to be.
The fix is quicker hitting plays. YOU Don't want to be saying the same thing in a few years that "It is the height of arrogance to think that is something fixable in this short amount of time". We're playing Northwestern this Saturday. Frost is already adding quick hitters.
Hey Bruce, tell us what you think. And do it in every thread that talks about Martinez. We are in the dark about how you feel on Martinez and would appreciate knowing where you stand on our QB issues.
Thanks.
Bullsh##. I watched good chunks of that game and Burrow's O line at least slowed them down enough for him to have time to find an open receiver. Farniok didn't even lay a hand on that D end MULTIPLE times. He had a free run OR he pushed Farniok back in to Martinez. THAT is what happened on the INT where the guy caught the ball laying on his back. Martinez got hit by Farniok as he was trying to throw the ball. I don't know what your agenda is but you're off base laying it all on Martinez. Yeah he had a tough game but ANY QB would have given the pressure he faced and the inconsistent snaps he got.
Dude Burrow was sacked 4 times and pressured and made throws on the run all night. They were blitzing him relentlessly. So let's not act like it's a new thing in today's college football for a QB to perform under pressure. It wasn't any worse than what I saw TMart or Armstrong face.