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We all know how Lifetime movies used to go. Poor helpless, woman is getting abused by an evil alpha-male partner, until she meets the effeminate playhouse director who is the only guy who is safe to be around. Now it's the entire Disney movie franchise with endless MeToo themes. I'm tired of taking my sons to see animated movies or action movies that feature a 'female empowerment' theme, along with a noticeably derogatory attitude toward males. Whether it is Wreck-It Ralph II, Cars III, Star Wars VII-VIII it's an endless stream of tough girls who are opposed by mean bullying boys. I'm getting really sick of raising my two boys in a society that just can't accept that there are boys that have things hard too, and that they too need positive encouragement.

To top it off I'm trying to find a STEM camp for my sons over Spring break or summer and guess what, there are classes devoted just to females, along with the mixed gender classes. 3/4 of the seats are effectively devoted to females because of some BS that there are too few females in IT. There are TONS of females already in IT. Good job discouraging yong boys who are really interested by telling them that they aren't as wanted.
 
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SLOHusker said:
We all know how Lifetime movies used to go. Poor helpless, woman is getting abused by an evil alpha-male partner, until she meets the effeminate playhouse director who is the only guy who is safe to be around. Now it's the entire Disney movie franchise with endless MeToo themes. I'm tired of taking my sons to see animated movies or action movies that feature a 'female empowerment' theme, along with a noticeably derogatory attitude toward males. Whether it is Wreck-It Ralph II, Cars III, Star Wars VII-VIII it's an endless stream of tough girls who are opposed by mean bullying boys. I'm getting really sick of raising my two boys in a society that just can't accept that there are boys that have things hard too, and that they too need positive encouragement.

To top it off I'm trying to find a STEM camp for my sons over Spring break or summer and guess what, there are classes devoted just to females, along with the mixed gender classes. 3/4 of the seats are effectively devoted to females because of some BS that there are too few females in IT. There are TONS of females already in IT. Good job discouraging yong boys who are really interested by telling them that they aren't as wanted.
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I have an app through my library to read books, but they have alot of STEM reading materials. I don't the the anagram STEM.

Not anagram... I can't remember the word. Hmmm.
 
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Sounds like you are teaching your boys it better to whine about the circumstances instead of taking on a hard problem and achieving the objective anyway.

Lots of folks seem to pine for the good old days attitude about work ethic and persistence be it with our husker players or whatever without actually trying to demonstrate it themselves.

Your boys will learn more from your effort than they will from a non female empowered wreck it Ralph movie
 
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Yeah, we men have it tough. Winking

Here’s a link to a summer STEM camp if you’re in the Omaha area:
https://north.ops.org/About/SummerPrograms/tabid/198/Default.aspx#313295-summer-technology
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I don't consider myself an MRA or a Feminist however it's not all sunshine and rainbows for men.
 
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I honestly don't know what they learn at these stem camps.

My brothers and I grew up in south Omaha in the 80s and we learned stem because our dad knew enough to own a PC but not enough to sysadmin well enough for us to game on it. So just us trying to fix things here or there built a base to work with.

We didn't end up in any fancy millard or private Christian schools either and we turned out ok! My brother could probably retire from Amazon if he didn't have like 50-60 years to live.

And he was the pouty middle child my folks worried about.
 
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Your example of how you behave in life is the best way to teach your sons. If you allow them to be absorbed in media, well, they will be weak because no one is singular with morality and character based on what I read in the media. If they are, they are racist, bigoted, misogynist etc... We all have our own conscience. I know when I screwed up. I try to do better. Teach your kids to be the man you want to be.

The rest is garbage.
 
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I don't consider myself an MRA or a Feminist however it's not all sunshine and rainbows for men.
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Correct but tech is such a bro environment it's not even funny.

Not sure what the answer is but I don't have any problem trying to encourage more women to participate.

Alot if folks in tech are more worried about the foreign/US divide than whether women are throwing men our of jobs.
 
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Correct but tech is such a bro environment it's not even funny.

Not sure what the answer is but I don't have any problem trying to encourage more women to participate.

Alot if folks in tech are more worried about the foreign/US divide than whether women are throwing men our of jobs.
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Yeah I understand the push to get women into STEM fields but there are biological difference between the sexes that affect what people choose to do and feminists don't like to hear that. Men are generally much more drawn to things where females are generally much more drawn to people. It's not just in humans either, they've done studies with chimps and gave them a bunch of children's toys to play with, the male chimps played with the planes, trains, and hot wheels and the female chimps were playing with the barbies and babies so it isn't due to social constructs like some claim. Women are dominating the healthcare industry right now and I don't hear anyone clamoring that we need more male nurses or physicians. Men and women are different and that's okay imo.
 
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We all know how Lifetime movies used to go. Poor helpless, woman is getting abused by an evil alpha-male partner, until she meets the effeminate playhouse director who is the only guy who is safe to be around. Now it's the entire Disney movie franchise with endless MeToo themes. I'm tired of taking my sons to see animated movies or action movies that feature a 'female empowerment' theme, along with a noticeably derogatory attitude toward males. Whether it is Wreck-It Ralph II, Cars III, Star Wars VII-VIII it's an endless stream of tough girls who are opposed by mean bullying boys. I'm getting really sick of raising my two boys in a society that just can't accept that there are boys that have things hard too, and that they too need positive encouragement.

To top it off I'm trying to find a STEM camp for my sons over Spring break or summer and guess what, there are classes devoted just to females, along with the mixed gender classes. 3/4 of the seats are effectively devoted to females because of some BS that there are too few females in IT. There are TONS of females already in IT. Good job discouraging yong boys who are really interested by telling them that they aren't as wanted.
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Movie themes come in cycles. Right now minority pride and/or injustice and female empowerment themes are at their peaks. Everybody deserves a turn of course and after a while then something else will cycle in for a time.

The changes come after similar films don't sell as many tickets any more. Right now though, for example, Captain Marvel and Black Panther are in the upper stratosphere when it comes to ticket sales. Endgame, of course, will top both of them but all three are or will be wildly profitable beyond imagination.
 
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Yeah I understand the push to get women into STEM fields but there are biological difference between the sexes that affect what people choose to do and feminists don't like to hear that. Men are generally much more drawn to things where females are generally much more drawn to people. It's not just in humans either, they've done studies with chimps and gave them a bunch of children's toys to play with, the male chimps played with the planes, trains, and hot wheels and the female chimps were playing with the barbies and babies so it isn't due to social constructs like some claim. Women are dominating the healthcare industry right now and I don't hear anyone clamoring that we need more male nurses or physicians. Men and women are different and that's okay imo.
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This seems logical and innocent enough. I'm curious the feedback you will receive.
 
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This is just a WAG but my guess that the low percentage of females in tech is still actually an over representation of their numbers.

Some percentage of these women are in the tech industry but in managerial or some sort of support role. Or what I've seen happens with alot if the female technical types is the men who are already there assume she's not that good as some other guy they just got and so she end up relegated to producing briefings or product development which has to get done but is otherwise not really technical work in the vein that all these parents are spending years and big bucks sending kids to STEM camp for.
 
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TheNewNU said:
Yeah I understand the push to get women into STEM fields but there are biological difference between the sexes that affect what people choose to do and feminists don't like to hear that. Men are generally much more drawn to things where females are generally much more drawn to people. It's not just in humans either, they've done studies with chimps and gave them a bunch of children's toys to play with, the male chimps played with the planes, trains, and hot wheels and the female chimps were playing with the barbies and babies so it isn't due to social constructs like some claim. Women are dominating the healthcare industry right now and I don't hear anyone clamoring that we need more male nurses or physicians. Men and women are different and that's okay imo.
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Women probably dominate nursing but probably not physicians. My guess only. So yes even within a scientifically oriented field with a huge social aspect to it...still second fiddle.

I'm certainly not one to think we're going to end up 50-50 or probably anywhere close in most of these fields but if it takes a siginificanr effort to maintain a plausible minority of females in some of these fields it's probably worth doing.

One thing to point out that when tech was born women were actually more involved than they are today so even accounting for biological biases the genetics still seem to allow that woman could be more represented than they are.

The question is what changed from the days of mainframe/early PCs to the more or less Animal House silicon valley environment of the 90s and 2000s. The question itself may hold a significant clue.
 
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Women probably dominate nursing but probably not physicians. My guess only. So yes even within a scientifically oriented field with a huge social aspect to it...still second fiddle.

I'm certainly not one to think we're going to end up 50-50 or probably anywhere close in most of these fields but if it takes a siginificanr effort to maintain a plausible minority of females in some of these fields it's probably worth doing.

One thing to point out that when tech was born women were actually more involved than they are today so even accounting for biological biases the genetics still seem to allow that woman could be more represented than they are.

The question is what changed from the days of mainframe/early PCs to the more or less Animal House silicon valley environment of the 90s and 2000s. The question itself may hold a significant clue.
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Physicians were about 70% male last I checked but, med students are 60% female. Nurses are 95% female. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying tech shouldn't try and get more women, I understand the appeal of a variety of perspectives and more power to tech for trying.
 
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You you are accustomed to decades upon decades of privledge a move towards equality feels like discrimination.
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It's the same thing within the church. We kept hearing about the war on Christmas and Christianity in general. Last I saw a year or so ago yes the trend are down for church in general but something like three quarters of the nation self identfies as Christian.

Which is still a dominant position. However the unity of view points within faith is fracturing and so each little fiefdom of belief probably feels smaller than it once did.

Tying into the other thread about predisposition and whether it's worth it to expend energy recruiting women into tech. I mean from all sorts of measurements we can pretty well tell that millennials and post millennials are not really pretty disposed to be ardent defenders of the faith but churches are still spending significant amounts of time trying to recruit them anyway.
 
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Women probably dominate nursing but probably not physicians. My guess only. So yes even within a scientifically oriented field with a huge social aspect to it...still second fiddle.

I'm certainly not one to think we're going to end up 50-50 or probably anywhere close in most of these fields but if it takes a siginificanr effort to maintain a plausible minority of females in some of these fields it's probably worth doing.

One thing to point out that when tech was born women were actually more involved than they are today so even accounting for biological biases the genetics still seem to allow that woman could be more represented than they are.

The question is what changed from the days of mainframe/early PCs to the more or less Animal House silicon valley environment of the 90s and 2000s. The question itself may hold a significant clue.
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Here is what I've seen in software engineering. When I went to college all the way back in the 90s there were roughly equal numbers of males and females in computer science. The females generally did well and graduated in roughly equal numbers. When I went into the work force many females chose to move out of the most technical roles (development and engineering) and chose instead analysis, quality assurance, and product management. More of the males chose to be software engineers. As the workforce matured, the relative stress and time demands of these positions caused many to gravitate toward new roles or management.
Today I find myself working with roughly 90% male software engineers, 60% female QAs (with a female QA manager), and 70% female PMs (again with a female manager). There is nothing wrong with that, it's just people gravitating toward roles that make them happiest.
 
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It's the same thing within the church. We kept hearing about the war on Christmas and Christianity in general. Last I saw a year or so ago yes the trend are down for church in general but something like three quarters of the nation self identfies as Christian.

Which is still a dominant position. However the unity of view points within faith is fracturing and so each little fiefdom of belief probably feels smaller than it once did.

Tying into the other thread about predisposition and whether it's worth it to expend energy recruiting women into tech. I mean from all sorts of measurements we can pretty well tell that millennials and post millennials are not really pretty disposed to be ardent defenders of the faith but churches are still spending significant amounts of time trying to recruit them anyway.
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By no means am I trying to turn this into a religious thread, but I do feel that this needs a response. I believe the big difference between the church “recruiting“ as you say, is that we aren’t recruiting people for jobs. We believe that what we are recruiting for has eternal ramifications. At least, that’s what the primary rationale should be. Women in the workforce, on the other hand, is more about equality I would imagine.

I don’t want this to turn into a debate, and so that’s all I will say. By no means has the church presented this side perfectly. In many ways, the church has failed. But church recruiting should never be about numbers. If that’s all we care about, then we’ve already failed.
 
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Oh, and as white males we've really been mistreated, haven't we.. :D
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Males are mistreated at times, no different than any other group. See our legal system for one prime example. Men are now going to college less than women, entering grad programs less, commit suicide more, are 90+ percent of workplace deaths, and on it goes. Hell of a system we've set up for ourselves, I guess.
 
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SLOHusker said:
We all know how Lifetime movies used to go. Poor helpless, woman is getting abused by an evil alpha-male partner, until she meets the effeminate playhouse director who is the only guy who is safe to be around. Now it's the entire Disney movie franchise with endless MeToo themes. I'm tired of taking my sons to see animated movies or action movies that feature a 'female empowerment' theme, along with a noticeably derogatory attitude toward males. Whether it is Wreck-It Ralph II, Cars III, Star Wars VII-VIII it's an endless stream of tough girls who are opposed by mean bullying boys. I'm getting really sick of raising my two boys in a society that just can't accept that there are boys that have things hard too, and that they too need positive encouragement.

To top it off I'm trying to find a STEM camp for my sons over Spring break or summer and guess what, there are classes devoted just to females, along with the mixed gender classes. 3/4 of the seats are effectively devoted to females because of some BS that there are too few females in IT. There are TONS of females already in IT. Good job discouraging yong boys who are really interested by telling them that they aren't as wanted.
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I was wondering about disney when they kind of abandoned the Boy Scouts of America several years ago
 
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When you are accustomed to decades upon decades of privledge a move towards equality feels like discrimination.
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I won't speak for anyone, else, but I can honestly say I did not grow up or work in a privileged environment, but I was not in tech, either. Health care, and I saw it from a different perspective. Females got by with a lot more crap than I did.
 
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Watch the red pill. You won't be laughing about this. We as a society need to be striving for equal rights for all people. Feminism isn't for women, it's for feminism.
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We as a society need to be working together for everyone's progression, instead of always having the victim/exploited card played all the time.

I miss that about the military experience that I had. We all had a common mission and goal and worked together to make it better for all of us. If we were miserable at times, we were, generally, miserable together. When we were rewarded, we were rewarded together, other than individual medals. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean there wasn't favoritism played, but it wasn't just for males. (And yes, there are rapes, which is terrible. But, remember, the military population is a cross section of the general population as a whole, although, generally, not from the wealthier or political classes.)

Don't get me wrong. I don't recommend the military, but there were aspects of it that were much better than what this society seems to be evolving into. Maybe the military has changed though, since I retired. I don't know. It's late and I am tired. GBR
 
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I've worked for two corporate giants that are heavily science related (I'm a STEM guy). They both struggled to become representative of demographics, but they tried, and tried hard. They're still trying.

If I had son, I would encourage them in a different direction then STEM.
 
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actually, imo for awhile now, it started in the 70's on television, as a matter of opinion
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If you don't believe that white privilege exists, you really need to reassess your viewpoint. It does, and its readily apparent.
 
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We all know how Lifetime movies used to go. Poor helpless, woman is getting abused by an evil alpha-male partner, until she meets the effeminate playhouse director who is the only guy who is safe to be around. Now it's the entire Disney movie franchise with endless MeToo themes. I'm tired of taking my sons to see animated movies or action movies that feature a 'female empowerment' theme, along with a noticeably derogatory attitude toward males. Whether it is Wreck-It Ralph II, Cars III, Star Wars VII-VIII it's an endless stream of tough girls who are opposed by mean bullying boys. I'm getting really sick of raising my two boys in a society that just can't accept that there are boys that have things hard too, and that they too need positive encouragement.

To top it off I'm trying to find a STEM camp for my sons over Spring break or summer and guess what, there are classes devoted just to females, along with the mixed gender classes. 3/4 of the seats are effectively devoted to females because of some BS that there are too few females in IT. There are TONS of females already in IT. Good job discouraging yong boys who are really interested by telling them that they aren't as wanted.
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Go further. The white male is also the doofus, the stooge, the idiot in most commercials. And IF it's a traditional family setting commercial, the Dad is the idiot regardless of race.
 
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