Disney is becoming the Lifetime Network

[DudznSudz]

Go further. The white male is also the door, the stooge, the idiot in most commercials. And IF it's a traditional family setting commercial, the Dad is the idiot regardless of race.

You understand why that is, right?

I don't understand the purpose of this thread, other than to complain that women are now becoming more equal and more empowered to be the center of their own stories and advance in their own cultural narrative.

I don't view the above as bad. Why would anyone?

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

You understand why that is, right?

I don't understand the purpose of this thread, other than to complain that women are now becoming more equal and more empowered to be the center of their own stories and advance in their own cultural narrative.

I don't view the above as bad. Why would anyone?

Because they are the ones that they can do that to without some faction coming totally unglued and boycotting the company

 

[ridge222]

such BS. Everyone knows that all playhouse directors are gay.

Okay, Honest question here, what is the difference between gay and *****?

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Okay, Honest question here, what is the difference between gay and *****?

Bend over, I'll show you.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

You understand why that is, right?

I don't understand the purpose of this thread, other than to complain that women are now becoming more equal and more empowered to be the center of their own stories and advance in their own cultural narrative.

I don't view the above as bad. Why would anyone?

Probably depends on how much cleavage the woman is showing in the movie.

 

[DudznSudz]

Because they are the ones that they can do that to without some faction coming totally unglued and boycotting the company

No...and plenty white men freak out about stuff in ways that can be...fine, or, sometimes, are repugnant and even dangerous. Looking at you, Charlottesville and ALMOST ALL MASS SHOOTERS.

They do it because the way comedy works and has been evolving, it's much more palatable to make fun of someone or something where the jokes are not mean-spirited and are not kicking down at people who truly have a tough time and have less power than the person or entity making the joke.

So, jokes showing a black person to be stupid in the same way would likely come across as racist, unkind, and mean-spirited. This is because black people have a much tougher time in our society than white people do, still.

A lot of people have a lot of problems in life, but the power structure in our society places white dudes at the top. These things are changing and being questioned a lot, and I don't have a huge problem with that.

I would ask anyone posting on this thread, if you do, why do you?

 

[ridge222]

Bend over, I'll show you.

You've got a lot of nerve talking to me like that Griswold!

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

No...and plenty white men freak out about stuff in ways that can be...fine, or, sometimes, are repugnant and even dangerous. Looking at you, Charlottesville and ALMOST ALL MASS SHOOTERS.

They do it because the way comedy works and has been evolving, it's much more palatable to make fun of someone or something where the jokes are not mean-spirited and are not kicking down at people who truly have a tough time and have less power than the person or entity making the joke.

So, jokes showing a black person to be stupid in the same way would likely come across as racist, unkind, and mean-spirited. This is because black people have a much tougher time in our society than white people do, still.

A lot of people have a lot of problems in life, but the power structure in our society places white dudes at the top. These things are changing and being questioned a lot, and I don't have a huge problem with that.

I would ask anyone posting on this thread, if you do, why do you?

If you are going to laugh at others, you better be able to laugh at yourself first. Don't dish it out IF you can't take it.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

You've got a lot of nerve talking to me like that Griswold!

Wow! Impressive!

"I wasn't talking to you!"

 

[jrhuskerdad_rivals491985]

Okay, Honest question here, what is the difference between gay and *****?

Gay is one example of a ***** identity. ***** is an umbrella term used to identify sexual preferences different from the norm (heterosexuality). It was once, and is still often, used as a derogatory adjective for gay people, but it was reclaimed by the LGBTQ+ community about 25 years ago out of defiant pride. ***** is now used to describe gay men, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender people, etc. Many bisexual people prefer to use ***** as it allows one to state non-heterosexual orientation without actually having to state who they are attracted to.

 

[jolley]

If you don't believe that white privilege exists, you really need to reassess your viewpoint. It does, and its readily apparent.

Since you brought my viewpoint, I will expound on it. My viewpoint is formulated from my experiences and my experiences aren't going to change. I won't listen to any third party telling me what my experiences SHOULD tell me because they weren't living or experiencing the same things I did, so they don't really know, do they?

In your realm and experience I am sure you have thought you have seen inequities favoring white skinned males. I wasn't there with you to witness the same things, so I don't really know. In mine, I haven't.

I don't know what race or gender you are and don't want to know because to me, race doesn't mean anything. I have colleagues who happen to be of different races and gender than I. As long as they are qualified and do the job they are paid to do, it didn't make a bit of difference to me.

I am a health professional and there is an implication and mentality now a days, it seems, that I somehow stole my acceptance to professional school from some underprivileged recognized minority. i.e. I somehow cheated someone out who had poorer grades, test scores , and qualifications. But inequities in education should have been evened out way before health professional schools where we want the best and the brightest.

I had never seen any of those critical people implying "my privilege" got me there staying up with me all night helping me study for the batteries of exams I had every week or pay the large tuition and fees. In other words, we worked our tails off and paid a price not every one would or could.

The politics of jealousy in a particular political party implies I had cheated people to get where I was positioned only because I am a white, male professional. (although I have been told I am part native American, but I never exploited that as one of the female presidential candidates had)

Where were those critical people when I and my classmates we were putting in all that time away from families and taking care of the results of those peoples' friends and relatives stupid mistakes? Those critical, jealous folks were sleeping in their beds wile we were up all night.

In case you missed the clues, I am a little more than tired of this mentality of victimization and how privileged I am. That might be true, but not in the sense that someone GAVE me anything and bribed someone to fake my SAT scores and give some bogus athletic scholarship like the privileged elites.

Maybe you and your friends had advantages that I never saw.

In undergrad, my organic chemistry professor said look to the person on your right and left. Two of you won't be here next semester and it didn't make any difference if they were male, female, white, pink, purple or orange. He meant 2 of us 3 wouldn't make the grade. A good friend of mine was one of them.

You got what you paid for. If we would pay the price, we might reach our goals, and we worked for what we got and didn't cheat anyone to get it.

The University of Nebraska is a public land grant institution and everyone in the state had an equal opportunity in the same classes I had.

So, my viewpoint is mine from my experiences. I have seen white males passed over for minority females as reverse discrimination. There seems to be a prevalent acceptance that two wrongs can make a right.

 

[Harry Caray]

This message board is becoming the Fox News/MSNBC Network.

 

[jolley]

Go further. The white male is also the door, the stooge, the idiot in most commercials. And IF it's a traditional family setting commercial, the Dad is the idiot regardless of race.

This has also been my observation, again, as I stated above, starting in the 70's

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

Since you brought my viewpoint, I will expound on it. My viewpoint is formulated from my experiences and my experiences aren't going to change. I won't listen to any third party telling me what my experiences SHOULD tell me because they weren't living or experiencing the same things I did, so they don't really know, do they?

In your realm and experience I am sure you have thought you have seen inequities favoring white skinned males. I wasn't there with you to witness the same things, so I don't really know. In mine, I haven't.

I don't know what race or gender you are and don't want to know because to me, race doesn't mean anything. I have colleagues who happen to be of different races and gender than I. As long as they are qualified and do the job they are paid to do, it didn't make a bit of difference to me.

I am a health professional and there is an implication and mentality now a days, it seems, that I somehow stole my acceptance to professional school from some underprivileged recognized minority. i.e. I somehow cheated someone out who had poorer grades, test scores , and qualifications. But inequities in education should have been evened out way before health professional schools where we want the best and the brightest.

I had never seen any of those critical people implying "my privilege" got me there staying up with me all night helping me study for the batteries of exams I had every week or pay the large tuition and fees. In other words, we worked our tails off and paid a price not every one would or could.

The politics of jealousy in a particular political party implies I had cheated people to get where I was positioned only because I am a white, male professional. (although I have been told I am part native American, but I never exploited that as one of the female presidential candidates had)

Where were those critical people when I and my classmates we were putting in all that time away from families and taking care of the results of those peoples' friends and relatives stupid mistakes? Those critical, jealous folks were sleeping in their beds wile we were up all night.

In case you missed the clues, I am a little more than tired of this mentality of victimization and how privileged I am. That might be true, but not in the sense that someone GAVE me anything and bribed someone to fake my SAT scores and give some bogus athletic scholarship like the privileged elites.

Maybe you and your friends had advantages that I never saw.

In undergrad, my organic chemistry professor said look to the person on your right and left. Two of you won't be here next semester and it didn't make any difference if they were male, female, white, pink, purple or orange. He meant 2 of us 3 wouldn't make the grade. A good friend of mine was one of them.

You got what you paid for. If we would pay the price, we might reach our goals, and we worked for what we got and didn't cheat anyone to get it.

The University of Nebraska is a public land grant institution and everyone in the state had an equal opportunity in the same classes I had.

So, my viewpoint is mine from my experiences. I have seen white males passed over for minority females as reverse discrimination. There seems to be a prevalent acceptance that two wrongs can make a right.

UNMC openly admitted to multiple white men I knew that their grades were absolutely good enough to get in but due to affirmative action programs they wouldnt be attending med school while women and minorities with 3.1's and 50 percentile MCATs were being accepted over 3.6+ 80 percentile MCATs. U of I told a friend of mine dont bother applying to their med school because he was a white man and their out of state spots were reserved for women and minorities. White privilege is a myth. Its a fabrication by the left to tear down one group and further their racist agenda.

 

[DudznSudz]

This message board is becoming the Fox News/MSNBC Network.

Yeah and I for one am getting tired of it. I am sure plenty of you do not want to hear my liberal takes, and I certainly don't want to read a bunch of Fox News ignorant garbage. I don't know why we don't keep this closer to football.

 

[jolley]

You understand why that is, right?

I don't understand the purpose of this thread, other than to complain that women are now becoming more equal and more empowered to be the center of their own stories and advance in their own cultural narrative.

I don't view the above as bad. Why would anyone?

Because it is another form of gender discrimination. Should 2 wrongs make a right?

It puts down one group (males) to attempt to de facto uplift another, but really doesn't. In a larger sense, that is the path of least resistance and a lazy way to rectify inequities, and from what I have seen and felt, creates a backlash.

As one can see in this thread, that kind of discrimination of putting males in a negative light is not constructive. It just antagonizes people against each other instead of leading them to common goals.

As I stated above, there is a mentality that has been prevalent for 40 years that reverse discrimination is desirable if it benefits the group you support even though it might be harmful to deserving individuals. The supreme court even reversed some of that and there is now a case involving Harvard discriminating against Asians in favor of other "minority races".

But, in reality, discrimination with any other name (affirmative action, reverse discrimination), is still hurting individuals on the other end. But do 2 wrongs make a right? That mentality is counter to Life, Liberty, and and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[DudznSudz]

Affirmative Action strategies in admissions are absolutely a bit controversial, but they are there for some very good reasons. Sorry. That's just how it is.

 

[jeans15]

Affirmative action is out dated and doing nothing but contributing to the problem of hate in this country.

 

[DudznSudz]

Affirmative action is out dated and doing nothing but contributing to the problem of hate in this country.

Ha ha...nope! Good one, though.

 

[jolley]

Yeah and I for one am getting tired of it. I am sure plenty of you do not want to hear my liberal takes, and I certainly don't want to read a bunch of Fox News ignorant garbage. I don't know why we don't keep this closer to football.

what EXPERINCES have you had to tell us our EXPERINCES are mis interpreted. You must have had many, because you act like an authority.

Since you labeled yourself as a liberal, I will point out my observations that when liberals don't have personal experiences, knowledge, facts logic, etc., to support their "beliefs", they resort to labels, name calling, and pull out the racist, sexist, and other standard tags. You, sir, are shooting par for the course.

If you are tired of it, why do bother reading and responding to it other than to get your standardized shots in?

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Guys, let's watch the name calling. Let's discuss without escalating. Don't take the bait. That's what people want so it can be spun around. It's called playing the victim

 

[DudznSudz]

Heyyyyy how about them Huskers?

 

[jeans15]

Guys, let's watch the name calling. Let's discuss without escalating. Don't take the bait. That's what people want so it can be spun around. It's called playing the victim

True

 

[DudznSudz]

what EXPERINCES have you had to tell us our EXPERINCES are mis interpreted. You must have had many, because you act like an authority.

Since you labeled yourself as a liberal, I will point out my observations that when liberals don't have personal experiences, knowledge, facts logic, etc., to support their "beliefs", they resort to labels, name calling, and pull out the racist, sexist, and other standard tags. You, sir, are shooting par for the course.

If you are tired of it, why do bother reading and responding to it other than to get your standardized shots in?

Personal experiences are anecdotal evidence. They are useless when discussing policy, which must be done at an aggregate level.

I mean, you took a couple of social science classes at some point, right?

What is "facts logic?"

Why is the burden on me to write out things that should be accepted as part of a general consensus understanding of American history? Oh...is it because your side doesn't value education, or building a consensus? Is it because the right is highly dogmatic, reactionary, and interested in fighting everyone who disagrees with their b.s. talking points?

I mean, these are just questions. You know, reasonable ones.

 

[DudznSudz]

Hey look! I can say the same things you can and make your side look as bad or worse than the way you try to depict the left.

I agree, this is getting kind of boring and off-topic. These culture wars threads are really getting old.

 

[Harry Caray]

There are many forms of privilege, including race, health, and physical attractiveness - but wealth privilege the most important by far. Poor, rural white kids are probably the least privileged people in this country. They often don't have access to the educational and employment opportunities in the cities.

Will Smith's kids are a billion times more privileged than a white kid raised in a trailer park. There are a lot of minority kids who have used their athletic privilege to get scholarships over white kids who worked hard for good grades in school.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Personal experiences are anecdotal evidence. They are useless when discussing policy, which must be done at an aggregate level.

I mean, you took a couple of social science classes at some point, right?

What is "facts logic?"

Why is the burden on me to write out things that should be accepted as part of a general consensus understanding of American history? Oh...is it because your side doesn't value education, or building a consensus? Is it because the right is highly dogmatic, reactionary, and interested in fighting everyone who disagrees with their b.s. talking points?

I mean, these are just questions. You know, reasonable ones.

No I believe in equality. I believe each person is created the same way. Then they are influenced by factors. I could care less what color or sex you are. Do your job and get things done. And for the record, there are no athiests in fox holes. Meaning when the chips are down and all hell is breaking loose, I don't care who you are. We're all on the same team and we better be on the same page.

 

[jeans15]

There are many forms of privilege, including race, health, and physical attractiveness - but wealth privilege the most important by far. Poor, rural white kids are probably the least privileged people in this country. They often don't have access to the educational and employment opportunities in the cities.

Will Smith's kids are a billion times more privileged than a white kid raised in a trailer park. There are a lot of minority kids who have used their athletic privilege to get scholarships over white kids who worked hard for good grades in school.

End thread

 

[DudznSudz]

There are many forms of privilege, including race, health, and physical attractiveness - but wealth privilege the most important by far. Poor, rural white kids are probably the least privileged people in this country. They often don't have access to the educational and employment opportunities in the cities.

Will Smith's kids are a billion times more privileged than a white kid raised in a trailer park. There are a lot of minority kids who have used their athletic privilege to get scholarships over white kids who worked hard for good grades in school.

That's mostly right. I would add a few things to that:

1.) Poor rural whites are under-privileged, it's true, but the idea is, by virtue of their race, they would have an easier time climbing out of poverty than blacks or latinos would, given discrimination.

2.) Minorities focus on athletics in part because they are not afforded anywhere near the same educational, cultural, and developmental opportunities as others. So, yes, they are using physical gifts to try to get ahead, but that is in direct response to not being afforded the same opportunities simply by being born in the group they were born in.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

Ok boys, enough solving the worlds problems, back to football, please!

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Heyyyyy how about them Huskers?

We'll find out in about an hour and a half.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

That's mostly right. I would add a few things to that:

1.) Poor rural whites are under-privileged, it's true, but the idea is, by virtue of their race, they would have an easier time climbing out of poverty than blacks or latinos would, given discrimination.

2.) Minorities focus on athletics in part because they are not afforded anywhere near the same educational, cultural, and developmental opportunities as others. So, yes, they are using physical gifts to try to get ahead, but that is in direct response to not being afforded the same opportunities simply by being born in the group they were born in.

We have Chinese, Korean, Latinos and blacks in our little town of less than a thousand. None of them are looked down upon. So I can honestly say I don't see them as discriminated against. They are treated no different than any other kids and are given the same opportunities. What they get critiqued on is them as an individual..... just like everyone else.

 

[DudznSudz]

We have Chinese, Korean, Latinos and blacks in our little town of less than a thousand. None of them are looked down upon. So I can honestly say I don't see them as discriminated against. They are treated no different than any other kids and are given the same opportunities. What they get critiqued on is them as an individual..... just like everyone else.

Well, then, that must mean that there is no racism and discrimination at all in our society, because you view your town as functioning in the way you just described.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Well, then, that must mean that there is no racism and discrimination at all in our society, because you view your town as functioning in the way you just described.

You kinda lost me. Maybe i didn't explain correctly or maybe I'm to slow and simple and missed your point....or slam.

 

[jolley]

Personal experiences are anecdotal evidence. They are useless when discussing policy, which must be done at an aggregate level.

I mean, you took a couple of social science classes at some point, right?

What is "facts logic?"

Why is the burden on me to write out things that should be accepted as part of a general consensus understanding of American history? Oh...is it because your side doesn't value education, or building a consensus? Is it because the right is highly dogmatic, reactionary, and interested in fighting everyone who disagrees with their b.s. talking points?

I mean, these are just questions. You know, reasonable ones.

My side? Again, the label and lumping me with a "side". I have 13 years of post high school education and you are saying I don't value education? I didn't realize I got so jipped until today.

I think you as a self espoused liberal might look in the mirror. It goes both ways. I have no talking points. I am stating my experiences. They are not anecdotal. If I was observing other peoples' experiences only, without representative samplings, that would be anecdotal. My experiences have been through many decades. How about yours, or are yours only from what you have been told one way or the other?

But, in your eyes, am I just another bigoted, oppressive, powerful white guy? Am I one of those angry old white men to whom President Obama referred? (BTW--that was a racist, sexist statement, but he, apparently, can get by with that.)

What can you suggest for bringing the country together? Does listening to the news do it, does watching tv shows putting down males do it? Does name calling and generalizing about different groups you, obviously have problems with do it? What would do it? Should we put people that disagree with you in concentration camps do it? Will you next call me a nazi?

You know the far left was epitomized by the soviet union. Forced equality. It didn't work did it? They had concentration camps and slave labor, also.

It goes both ways, dogma.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Since you brought my viewpoint, I will expound on it. My viewpoint is formulated from my experiences and my experiences aren't going to change. I won't listen to any third party telling me what my experiences SHOULD tell me because they weren't living or experiencing the same things I did, so they don't really know, do they?

In your realm and experience I am sure you have thought you have seen inequities favoring white skinned males. I wasn't there with you to witness the same things, so I don't really know. In mine, I haven't.

I don't know what race or gender you are and don't want to know because to me, race doesn't mean anything. I have colleagues who happen to be of different races and gender than I. As long as they are qualified and do the job they are paid to do, it didn't make a bit of difference to me.

I am a health professional and there is an implication and mentality now a days, it seems, that I somehow stole my acceptance to professional school from some underprivileged recognized minority. i.e. I somehow cheated someone out who had poorer grades, test scores , and qualifications. But inequities in education should have been evened out way before health professional schools where we want the best and the brightest.

I had never seen any of those critical people implying "my privilege" got me there staying up with me all night helping me study for the batteries of exams I had every week or pay the large tuition and fees. In other words, we worked our tails off and paid a price not every one would or could.

The politics of jealousy in a particular political party implies I had cheated people to get where I was positioned only because I am a white, male professional. (although I have been told I am part native American, but I never exploited that as one of the female presidential candidates had)

Where were those critical people when I and my classmates we were putting in all that time away from families and taking care of the results of those peoples' friends and relatives stupid mistakes? Those critical, jealous folks were sleeping in their beds wile we were up all night.

In case you missed the clues, I am a little more than tired of this mentality of victimization and how privileged I am. That might be true, but not in the sense that someone GAVE me anything and bribed someone to fake my SAT scores and give some bogus athletic scholarship like the privileged elites.

Maybe you and your friends had advantages that I never saw.

In undergrad, my organic chemistry professor said look to the person on your right and left. Two of you won't be here next semester and it didn't make any difference if they were male, female, white, pink, purple or orange. He meant 2 of us 3 wouldn't make the grade. A good friend of mine was one of them.

You got what you paid for. If we would pay the price, we might reach our goals, and we worked for what we got and didn't cheat anyone to get it.

The University of Nebraska is a public land grant institution and everyone in the state had an equal opportunity in the same classes I had.

So, my viewpoint is mine from my experiences. I have seen white males passed over for minority females as reverse discrimination. There seems to be a prevalent acceptance that two wrongs can make a right.

You obviously still don't understand the concept of white privilege and why it exists. Do some research and you will come to understand why.

 

[Lincoln100]

Hey look! I can say the same things you can and make your side look as bad or worse than the way you try to depict the left.

I agree, this is getting kind of boring and off-topic. These culture wars threads are really getting old.

Yeah, that's why you get so emotional and lose your mind whenever they pop up, because they are "boring" and "getting old." I heart-emoji your takes on the world. Did you notice you were referred to as a slave-master? You're a white dude, aren't you? I know you are probably too embarrassed and ashamed of your color and gender to admit it. If you are a white male, I think the person who called you slave-master is a minority (correct me if I'm wrong); how does that make you feel? It must be crushing to your beautiful, selfless heart to hear that from someone that you are clearly only trying to help. That person must be crazy to think that of you. You know better than they do, don't you?

 

[jolley]

You obviously still don't understand the concept of white privilege and why it exists. Do some research and you will come to understand why.

Are you white and if so, how have you, specifically and flagrantly been privileged because of it? Did you get into an ivy league school because of it? Were you wealthy to extent you could exploit others? Were you forced into military service because you were not white or not wealthy or not connected.

I was, but I am white {and possibly some Native American. Native peoples have been exploited more than anyone else I have known. I have worked on a reservation.)

I served with people of other races and nationalities in the military. I have personally known many people from poor backgrounds and who became successful.

They did so because they refused to be lumped into victimized categories and pulled themselves up even though they risked being labeled as "uncle tom". People that have gained the most from lumping and labeling victimized groups together are the ones doing the labeling. A. Lincoln said democracy is a poor form of government, but all the other forms are worse.

As I said in previous posts, the time to equalize people is in early education, but that cannot be done by lowering standards to the lowest common denominator. Young children should be assured of proper nutrition, which is mandatory. Brains need to develop properly and completely. I believe it is inexcusable in this country that people are hungry. But, you can't force good food down people's throats. (BTW--the lowest common denominator is what modern "comedy" has evolved to}

Unfortunately, education will only equalize so much. Regardless of race or gender, other critical factors are involved.

Antagonizing people into groups to put them at odds with each other will not solve problems, as you have, apparently done to me. There is the old concept of divide and conquer. This is what the politicians have resorted to to gain power, thus money. If this continues to exacerbate, I truly fear, that we are heading to another civil war or revolution, not in the sense of the first ones, but more in the insurgency type. I hope it never comes to that.

 

[sklarbodds_rivals304368]

Here is what I've seen in software engineering. When I went to college all the way back in the 90s there were roughly equal numbers of males and females in computer science. The females generally did well and graduated in roughly equal numbers. When I went into the work force many females chose to move out of the most technical roles (development and engineering) and chose instead analysis, quality assurance, and product management. More of the males chose to be software engineers. As the workforce matured, the relative stress and time demands of these positions caused many to gravitate toward new roles or management.
Today I find myself working with roughly 90% male software engineers, 60% female QAs (with a female QA manager), and 70% female PMs (again with a female manager). There is nothing wrong with that, it's just people gravitating toward roles that make them happiest.

I like your post as a whole, but that would have been an impressive ratio back then:

https://www.wired.com/story/computer-science-graduates-diversity/