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You have to remember that Williams identified him, aggressively pursued him, coached him up in a RS season, and just set him loose on the B10 in a record-breaking freshman season. I'b be pretty damn interested in staying with Dubs if I were him.
You're gonna be very disappointed in coach Frost's offense then. I'll bookmark your posts as I fully expect you to hold Walters, and Frost to the same standard.
"Get beyond the sticks" is my second favorite fan, right behind "#RTGDB guy".
Good thing about Spielman is who his dad is and IMO, Rick will play a big role in JD staying or leaving.
JD was all about Riley, not Williams, till he got on campus.
Will make for a good discussion next fall. If I forget make sure you remind me. For now let's agree to disagree and move on.
I just expect more aggressive wr play.
You'll get that, regardless of the WR coach, by (1) better OL play which results in (2) better run game.
Yep, UCF threw underneath and tried to let guys pick up the first down with their feet on third and long alot, in the games I watched.
He's not questioning the success. You'd have to follow the discussion to understand his response.
One of the reasons I wanted us to keep KW is he has experience in offenses other than what Frost runs. I think that's very valuable to have as he can provide a different perspective if we do run into problems implementing Frost's offense and find another way to have success moving the football. I think it would be good for the players to be able to see things from different perspectives as well in how they run their routes, play off the defender, etc.
I would have liked to see a little more variety than just continuing to copy Oregon's entire offense as rule changes and changes in defenses may start to limit the effectiveness of the Chip Kelly/Scott Frost offense.
I would have liked to see a little more variety than just continuing to copy Oregon's entire offense as rule changes and changes in defenses may start to limit the effectiveness of the Chip Kelly/Scott Frost offense.
This is not simply a carbon copy of Kelly's offense. Frost offense uses multiple shifts and blocking schemes that are not seen in Kelly's offense. Which also slows down the offensive pace some. Below is a good link explaining how frost has evolved the offense. It's pretty cool and shows what an innovative offensive mind Frost is.
https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/...olved-chip-kelly-s-offense-at-central-florida
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Good link. I see on 3rd & 10 against USF they through to the wideout that went past the sticks. LOL. I had to do it. I promise, that's the last I will say about it.
Gonna be a fun ride with this offense. Really stresses the defense. I have all of this years UCF games that were televised dvr'd. Agressive and fast, what's not to like.
Yes, I didn't mean that their offenses are exactly the same, but they are very similar. Frosts offense doesn't use many compressed sets at all. I know the fad right now is to go toward the spread, but compressed sets still offer many advantages in certain situations and it would be nice to have an assistant coach who is experienced with pro style compressed sets if Frost ever wanted to implement parts of that offense as well.
Urban Meyer's offenses have been running into problems in recent years, getting shut down in bowl games and against good defensive teams. I think we're going to need more than just stay in spread sets the entire time to be able to beat the elite defenses in the country.
What are you talking about? The only posts deleted in this thread were by the posters themselves.Apparently one of the mods doesn't like open and honest discussion of the "makeup" of our coaching staff. Way to go mod. Thanks for deleting relevant and respectful discussion.
We should want ambitious assistants. We should want guys who get considered for head coaching jobs. That usually means they are motivated and some of the best in the game. I think Walters is a very qualified guy who Frost trusts to be his eyes in the box. I'm good with that and I questioned why he would keep KW when KW has no knowledge of his offense.
I agree we should want ambitious, highly motivated guys, but to go along with loyalty, it should be a two way street. If Frost took a chance on you, they should repay that loyalty and not look for the first opportunity out the door. The problem is I find it unlikely certain assistant coaches are going to stop looking for other opportunities just because Frost has been loyal to them. That's why I made the comment that loyalty should have no place here because loyalty shown by Frost to his subordinates is unlikely to ever be repaid.
Took your advice to heart and rewatched the first UCF vs Memphis game. They threw the ball 12 times(while the game still mattered) on 3rd &4th down. Of those 12 times, 11 passes were to receivers beyond the sticks. The other was on 3rd and 14 where they ran a shuffle pass.
Since the staff is together and everyone knows what to do and what is expected, they can get the ground running the first day of spring ball and get a lot of teaching done with the players.
You really shouldn't have, I feel bad for you...
Throwing the ball to a receiver pass the marker is the QB's decision so I hope you're not trying to change the discussion.
So here's some proof of what I'm saying, hard evidence from the first game (1H only) against Memphis, since you brought it up.
3rd and long, 2 receivers short of the marker
3rd and long, threw well short of the marker
3rd and long (goal, from the 20ish) and here's a receiver short of the goal
In this latest picture, the ball was thrown to a receiver (actually to the defender) in the end zone.
Receivers, in all offenses, purposely run short of the marker. It's drawaing defenders away from other areas of the field where rhey4may be stretching or running someone under the stretch. You have misplaced disgust at Nebraska's receivers, like Keith taught them someting that doesn't happen in every single offense.
Or, you're gonna have misplaced disgust at coach Walters too.
@frostonthegrass since you liked his post, I'm making sure you see the proof of what's been stated instead of misleading information from hf66.
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As far as time in the pocket , not as much as some would like to believe. Milton scrambled a lot.
They weren't in long yardage much. Ran the ball almost exclusively on short yardage. I don't think they threw the ball on anything less than 3rd and 3. Maybe once.
UCF threw a bunch of short yardage and underneath stuff on 1st and 2nsd down. Like I said , on third and short it would be a running play. Sometimes RB and sometimes QB.
As far as how many receivers ran deep ,hard to say all the time because of the camera view, but from what I could see it was a mixture of deep and medium with running back chip blocking and releasing for a screen or to the flat on a release route. Hard to defend.
Yes that was an interception but from my vantage point it looked like the pass was intended for the receiver in the end zone. Under thrown.You really shouldn't have, I feel bad for you...
Throwing the ball to a receiver pass the marker is the QB's decision so I hope you're not trying to change the discussion.
So here's some proof of what I'm saying, hard evidence from the first game (1H only) against Memphis, since you brought it up.
3rd and long, 2 receivers short of the marker
3rd and long, bubble you mentioned?
3rd and long (goal, from the 20ish) and here's a receiver short of the goal
In this latest picture, the ball was thrown to a receiver (actually to the defender) in the end zone.
I have to admit that first picture I missed because I got a phone call and did not hit the pause button.
Hey dubs, any idea or knowledge of what kind of speed UCF tail back has?
Any of our new offers comparable to him?
Any of our new offers comparable to him?
We don't know there will not be any buy in.
The players knew very well what the end of season would bring.
A player is more likely to talk to his former HS coach and parents then a guy who lost his job.
Milton was throwing to the guy in the end zone, but it doesn't change the fact UCF had a receiver short of the marker (goal line in this case). Again, the QB chose to throw the ball to someone else, and the receiver ran the route (short of the marker) as the play is designed.
Here's another one, from their most recent game against Memphis.
Why did the receiver run a route short of the marker?!? Looks like a great route to me, he drew 2 defenders which allowed the middle one m2m coverage which he beat for a 1st down.
Thankfully Milton tossed it to the 2nd level guy.
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I am not disagreeing with you at all on your UCF points. We probably see it closer to the same. Can we agree that these receivers were doing what they were supposed to? Then we can proceed from there
More than our current ones. Laughing I really don't know the difference, still catching up to Frost's offense to have a better understanding.
Opinion? I'm trying to let you know that your opinion (disgust, whatever it's called you have with Dubs) is misplaced. You passed along misleading information to support your opinion when in fact, like i said, you're not gonna like UCF's offense then as receivers run short of the markers all the time.
WR's running short of the sticks happens all over the place. It happens at Nebraska, UCF, Alabama, Indiana, Ohio State, Iowa, Clemson, Kansas, Georgia - and every other team in the country from youth ball to the pros. It happened last night in the Falcons and Saints game on multiple occasions. It's happened tonight in the Weber State - James Madison game.
Correct, so why say what you did earlier about Dubs then? Allow this so I better understand what you meant...
But most inexcusable are running routes several yards short of the first down mark with no consequences. You do that and I'm the coach,you better have a good friend with a pair of tweezers because you are going to need both of them to pull the splinters out of your butt from riding the pine.
This is what I'm talking about ^^
I came in late to the conversation, i liked his post based on taking the time to go back and watch; and yes i have disgust for our short routes on 3rd and 4th down that didnt pan out....and there were several of them, actuall they made me physically sick because i dont recall many of them that there was physical seperation to make a play anyway
Right, but again, it happens everywhere and the discussion wasn't completions beyond markers it was the routes are designed. Tanner Lee chose to throw to the short route, and not guys behind the markers, but for some reason that's on KDubs? If anything, it's on the offensive coordinator, every single one in the country.
Throwing shade at a WR coach for this is wrong in every sense.
Appreciate your claifircation response, welcome to the board.
Well I don't believe that was my original point. So I will try again and try to be clearer and more specific. I saw on several occasions, a receiver have a db give him close to a 10 yard cushion, run an up and out pattern but not make a hard crisp cut, allowing the DB to break up the pass. In my opinion that is what I call a sloppy route.
My other concern was on 3rd&4th down, make sure you run aroute to get past the line to make. If you're going to run a hook curl or comeback route, run it deep enough to get the first down.
Since you said by my concerns, I would be disappointed with UCF, does UCF do a better job? I think you answered that and I agree they do. UCF either has better receivers, better coaching , or both.
I am happy with the coaches we have on this staff and can't wait to see the show.
I watched all our games the last three years, most of them two or three times. I watched as many UCF games this year as I could. I saw our receivers, I saw UCF's receivers. If I knew nothing about recruiting or having pro players come to train in the summer or Gorilla tough or any of that stuff, I would have to say the UCF receivers coach appeared to be the better coach by the eye test.
Appreciate the clarification. Don't believe I said anything about route running although I disagree with you.
No, UCF receivers do NOT do better but their QB throws to guys - more times than not - that are beyond the sticks. I've given you 4 instances of UCF receivers short of the marker. I have another dozen or so and that's only from 2 or 3 partial games. It's part of every single offense in the country.
I'm not sure how else to explain this simple fact to you.
He can hire Kim Jong Un if that means we win again.
And I'm not talking about meaningless 9 win seasons, I'm talking about real contenders in conference championship games and a whole lot more.
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