Seriously what is the point here

[kaz36_rivals189319]

His "NU isn't use to getting blown out like Ohio State did" caught my attention.

Moos may want to familiarize himself before stating stuff like that. We've been getting our asses kicked twice a year dating back to 2002, sans a season or two.

2001
CU 62, NU 36
Miami 37, NU 14
2002
Ped State 40, NU 7
ISU 36, NU 14
KSU 49, NU 13
2003
Texas 31, NU 7
KSU 38, NU 9
2004
TTech 70, NU 10
OU 30, NU 3
KSU 45, NU 21
2005
KU 40, NU 15
2007
MU 41, NU 6
OSU 45, NU 14
KU 76, NU 39
aTm 36, NU 14
2008
MU 52, NU 17
OU 62, NU 28
2009
TTech 31, NU 10
2011
Wisc 48, NU 17
Mich 45, NU 17
2012
OSU 63, NU 38
Wisc 70, NU 31
2013
Iowa 38, NU 17
UCLA 41, NU 21(not quite 21, but we were up 21-3 at one point)
2014
Wisc 59, NU 24
2016
OSU 62, NU 3
Iowa 40, NU 10
2017
OSU 56, NU 14
Wisc 38, NU 17

I went back to 2001 because the CU game is the game a lot of people point to as the "day NU died". I used 21 points as a baseline as I consider that a pretty good *** kicking. Not sure everyone agrees with the 21 point baseline, but it has been a pretty sobering 16+ years as a Husker fan. Sorry to open up some old wounds.

 

[ThrowBones92]

So after 3 years of working under Cav we are still blaming Bo for the productivity of the line. Gotcha.

Did you read? Finish the post before you respond. I clearly said Cav needs to be replaced. He is part of the problem with 3 guys not producing who are juniors and should be pretty good football players.

My point was that Riley has had a giant upperclassmen whole on the OL for the last two years because of the recruiting failures of BP. That means that last year he had to play sophomores and below if he wasn't wanting to play walkons. This year, we have juniors who are finally making their way to the depth chart. But having almost NO productivity from your OL SRs and JRs and then this year from your SRs, it hurts. We should be able to see some productivity out of this years JRs and a soph or two, but we shouldn't have to rely on playing two freshmen on the right side of our line. You missed what I was saying: I want more time for Riley to build his roster if he will replace Cav. I'm not satisfied with Cav's work on the few scholarship upperclassmen who have played for him. I think he has nicely filled his first two full classes.

Talk to me about what your unit looks like when this is your distribution and you have 2 injuries occur across the front 5. You need 9-10 solid linemen across the top 3-ish classes ready to contribute. We have 3. I blame Cav for the performances of the 3 (Gates, Foster, and Farmer), but Riley is still waiting on his classes to move to the point they are ready to contribute. It's pretty clear to see here: https://nebraska.247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/ScholarshipDistribution

 

[ridge22]

2001
CU 62, NU 36
Miami 37, NU 14
2002
Ped State 40, NU 7
ISU 36, NU 14
KSU 49, NU 13
2003
Texas 31, NU 7
KSU 38, NU 9
2004
TTech 70, NU 10
OU 30, NU 3
KSU 45, NU 21
2005
KU 40
NU 15
2007
MU 41, NU 6
OSU 45, NU 14
KU 76, NU 39
aTm 36, NU 14
2008
MU 52, NU 17
OU 62, NU 28
2009
TTech 31
NU 10
2011
Wisc 48, NU 17
Mich 45, NU 17
2012
OSU 63, NU 38
Wisc 70, NU 31
2013
Iowa 38, NU 17
UCLA 41(not quite 21, but we were up 21-3 at one point), NU 21
2014
Wisc 59
NU 24
2016
OSU 62, NU 3
Iowa 40, NU 10
2017
OSU 56, NU 14
Wisc 38, NU 17

I went back to 2001 because the CU game is the game a lot of people point to as the "day NU died". I used 21 points as a baseline as I consider that a pretty good *** kicking. Not sure everyone agrees with the 21 point baseline, but it has been a pretty sobering 16+ years as a Husker fan. Sorry to open up some old wounds.

Lot of really bad games there. Of the ones listed here I still think that last this last one vs Ohio State was the worst and most painful to watch. From the opening series to the final gun that was just a flat out *** kicking. It was truly alarming at the ease that OSU had moving the ball. On the defensive side I would say it was similar to the KU game in 07 where Nebraska just had no answer to stop them. At least in that game Ganz kind of went back and forth with Ressing for a while. But as a game in its totality OSU Nebraska 2017 was the worst I have seen. You essentially knew the game was over after the first 2 series.

I was at a wedding the night of the Texas Tech 70-10 **** show, so I didn't get to see that one.

 

[TribecaHusker]

Florida fired their coach because they had probable cause to do so. If they already knew they were going to fire him and McElwain gave UF ammunition to fire him based on false death threats, Florida won big time not having to buy him out. I'm sure they will pursue Frost to be their HC, but it doesn't seem that Frost will entertain offers until after the season is over anyway.

Florida may have an edge by being first at being able to start putting feelers out with other coaches, but if Moos is smart, he should also be building relationships with the same coaches as well.

The newspapers down here reported that McElwain refused to consult with Spurrier (about improving their lowly offense), when the AD asked him to. And apparently that was the last straw. Since Frost is just down the road and has quickly built a high powered offense (which is what Florida craves), it’s very likely he’ll get serious consideration.

 

[Archie Graham]

You just supported my stance without realizing it. Keep doing you Du, this time it was quicker than normal.

Are you saying that dividing 19.6 million by 20 gives a larger number than 36.6 million divided by ninty thousand? Just want to make sure I have my math right on this one before commenting further.

Winking

 

[bmguy88]

The newspapers down here reported that McElwain refused to consult with Spurrier (about improving their lowly offense), when the AD asked him to. And apparently that was the last straw. Since Frost is just down the road and has quickly built a high powered offense (which is what Florida craves), it’s very likely he’ll get serious consideration.

That very well could be the case. ESPN, fwiw, reported yesterday that the decision to fire him came down to the lies Jim was telling and the distractions it was causing. UF AD Stricklin even said "its more about wins and losses right now". Could also be a bunch of BS too.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...rida-gators-head-coach-jim-mcelwain-part-ways

So now Florida has a coaching vacancy, and they saved a boatload of money by firing the ex-HC immediately and is on the search for a new HC. Without a doubt they will be after Frost and others as well with cash in hand, we can agree on that. But until Frost himself has said that he is also interested in the UF job or until he says he will consider new HC offers, I won't worry about UF having a head start at this point in time. IMO, I think Frost will let the regular season play out before we really hear any breaking information.

We also won't hear much about Riley's future until after Iowa, unless the team just self destructs. I don't think a month will make that much of a difference if Frost is focused on UCF. But, Moos better be very concise in his evaluation of Riley and be prepared to move on prospects afterwards.

We shall see how it all plays out.

 

[Hoosker Du]

You just supported my stance without realizing it. Keep doing you Du, this time it was quicker than normal.

Whatever you say, Champ Summers (Place laugh emoticon here --->) Laughing

 

[Hoosker Du]

Are you saying that dividing 19.6 million by 20 gives a larger number than 36.6 million divided by ninty thousand? Just want to make sure I have my math right on this one before commenting further.

Winking

Not familiar with the term collectively? Look it up..

 

[Hoosker Du]

I think most of the $19.6 million is coming from the 20 people he is talking about.

Sure, I understand that, but a stadium emptying out before halftime speaks just as loudly, if not more loudly than 20 donors. If we lose wide-scale fan support, we are done as a program. And that is what happened against Ohio State. And it would get much worse if Riley were retained and wood-shredded a few times next season.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Sure, I understand that, but a stadium emptying out before halftime speaks just as loudly, if not more loudly than 20 donors. If we lose wide-scale fan support, we are done as a program.

But the "20 donors" have a direct say in who is fired and who is hired. The empty stadium voice is reactionary. If there isn't someone to pony up the $$$ to buy out a coach and to pay another university for taking their coach, no changes are made. By the time we, the fans, have any real say the issue is already gone too far.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

But the "20 donors" have a direct say in who is fired and who is hired. The empty stadium voice is reactionary. If there isn't someone to pony up the $$$ to buy out a coach and to pay another university for taking their coach, no changes are made. By the time we, the fans, have any real say the issue is already gone too far.

This is all very true Tuco. But I think what is lacking in this whole conversation is that those 20 big donors are swayed and influenced by what the fan base is feeling. They don't want to spend big bucks on a sinking ship. If they see a half empty stadium and a dwindling fan base and thousands of angry and disaffected fans, that has to influence their desire to send big bucks. It isn't an either-or here. Maybe the fans really don't have an influence on the administration as THE factor. The money does have to come from somewhere and the big donors have it. But to say that the mood of the fan base holds no sway over the decision seems extreme to me. It has to have an impact on the entirety of the process somehow doesn't it? Am I wrong here?

 

[SnohomishRed]

But the "20 donors" have a direct say in who is fired and who is hired. The empty stadium voice is reactionary. If there isn't someone to pony up the $$$ to buy out a coach and to pay another university for taking their coach, no changes are made. By the time we, the fans, have any real say the issue is already gone too far.

Wasnt this donors control the program before we started pulling 51 million a year from the Big10 - we had enough last year that we donated it to the University. I am not asking to be argumentative but wondering if Donors really do control this program still

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Wasnt this donors control the program before we started pulling 51 million a year from the Big10 - we had enough last year that we donated it to the University. I am not asking to be argumentative but wondering if Donors really do control this program still

They donated $5 million to the university. Now take away the $20 million a year the donors provide and you don’t have enough to pay off Riley, pay UCF or ISU to get their coach and an additional $5 million per year in new coach salaries. Plus Bo and SE and potentially Miles. Then additional upgrades to existing facilities.

 

[Archie Graham]

Not familiar with the term collectively? Look it up..

Twenty people are, collectively, all that matter.

How did I do?

 

[Hoosker Du]

They donated $5 million to the university. Now take away the $20 million a year the donors provide and you don’t have enough to pay off Riley, pay UCF or ISU to get their coach and an additional $5 million per year in new coach salaries. Plus Bo and SE and potentially Miles. Then additional upgrades to existing facilities.

These guys have already typed much of what I was going to type. I know the donors are important, but we have a near-mutiny on our hands right now. And it will only get worse if Riley is retained. And is there ever a consensus with the Top 20 donors anyway? I think the fans are actually speaking louder than the donors at this point. With our bigger piece of the pie from the conference, the donors influence is diluted to a degree. Howard Hawks isn't determining any decisions for this athletic department by himself.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

By the logic of some on here it would seem that Adidas might have the biggest say in who our next coach is

 

[Hoosker Du]

Twenty people are, collectively, all that matter.

How did I do?

Not real well. Keep trying though..

 

[Archie Graham]

Real well.

Thank you, sir. It's not terribly hard if you think about it.

 

[coachDubs]

Are you saying that dividing 19.6 million by 20 gives a larger number than 36.6 million divided by ninty thousand? Just want to make sure I have my math right on this one before commenting further.

Winking

14 years on here and people still don't know when to STFU on certain topics.

 

[Hoosker Du]

14 years on here and people still don't know when to STFU on certain topics.

Speaking of STFU! You're the same person that said we should give Riley another year earlier this year. That was a doozy, BTW.

 

[coachDubs]

Speaking of STFU! You're the same person that said we should give Riley another year earlier this year. That was a doozy, BTW.

I'm behind every coach receiving 4 years, that isn't exclusive to Riley and I've been consistent with that since 2003 when I joined here.

Try again du du. Or, better yet, continue embarrassing yourself.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Thank you, sir. It's not terribly hard if you think about it.

The plot thickens when you have 1/3 of the stadium leaving before halftime. That is millions of dollars of tickets and donations speaking all at once.

 

[Archie Graham]

The plot thickens when you have 1/3 of the stadium leaving before halftime. That is millions of dollars of tickets and donations speaking all at once.

Let me know when Moos makes contact with those 30,000 people. LOL.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Let me know when Moos makes contact with those 30,000 people. LOL.

He would not need to go on a radio show to talk to the 20 people he would just have a dinner

 

[Hoosker Du]

I'm behind every coach receiving 4 years, that isn't exclusive to Riley and I've been consistent with that since 2003 when I joined here.

Try again du du. Or, better yet, continue embarrassing yourself.

And this is PRECISELY the reason why you should shhhhhhh and let the adults debate this. Because your support couldn't be more misplaced if you tried. Ya see, we're looking for answers, nor someone just putting off a problem for another year and allowing the program to dig a deeper hole...both on the field and in the coffers.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Let me know when Moos makes contact with those 30,000 people. LOL.

He doesn't have to. He has eyes.
And he has made a point of talking to quite a few average Husker fans. Part of why he went on the radio today too.
Of course the big donors have a direct influence and the average fan doesn't. Of course money talks. It has for all time in all walks of life and probably always will.
But what is being contested here is the scorched earth claim that the fan base has zero pull on the AD's decision. Call me an idiot or whatever, but that view strikes me as absurd.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Let me know when Moos makes contact with those 30,000 people. LOL.

He won't have to. They'll make contact before he gets the chance...by sending notification that their seats will be freed up, and to not expect a donation check until changes are made. See how effectively that works?

 

[coachDubs]

And this is PRECISELY the reason why you should shhhhhhh and let the adults debate this. Because your support couldn't be more misplaced if you tried. Ya see, we're looking for answers, nor someone just putting off a problem for another year and allowing the program to dig a deeper hole...both on the field and in the coffers.

Except, you don't know how it works but we're suppose to let you - "the adult" - debate this. Your foot must be extremely tasty as much as you plant it in your mouth.

Oops, this isn't working out for you...

September 27, 2017
https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/...-his-job-until-2019-2020.186847/#post-3739628

4 years is my preference. Same timeline I had for the previous 2 coaches.

October 10, 2017
https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/threads/mike-riley-said.188677/#post-3780709

Same as every Husker football coach, I prefer to give 4 years and evaluate from there. I did it on this very forum with Callahan and Pelini, there's no reason not to give Riley the same time frame. And it'll happen again whomever the next head coach is.

If he's fired, he's fired. If he's retained, he's retained. Nothing I, or anyone else on this forum, can do about it

You and your BFF pennsy are trying way too hard.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Oops, this isn't working out for you...

September 27, 2017
https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/...-his-job-until-2019-2020.186847/#post-3739628



October 10, 2017
https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/threads/mike-riley-said.188677/#post-3780709



You and your BFF pennsy are trying way too hard.

Thank you.. More evidence that you shouldn't be in this conversation. Yeah, you just keep trumpeting that 4 years, and in the meantime we'll keep discussing why Riley needs to go, and who he needs to be replaced by.

We've got a nice comfy chair for you on the sidelines. Grab a Coke too if you'd like. We'll bring you back in when we discuss dipping dots or scooped ice cream for the stadium.

 

[TribecaHusker]

That very well could be the case. ESPN, fwiw, reported yesterday that the decision to fire him came down to the lies Jim was telling and the distractions it was causing. UF AD Stricklin even said "its more about wins and losses right now". Could also be a bunch of BS too.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...rida-gators-head-coach-jim-mcelwain-part-ways

So now Florida has a coaching vacancy, and they saved a boatload of money by firing the ex-HC immediately and is on the search for a new HC. Without a doubt they will be after Frost and others as well with cash in hand, we can agree on that. But until Frost himself has said that he is also interested in the UF job or until he says he will consider new HC offers, I won't worry about UF having a head start at this point in time. IMO, I think Frost will let the regular season play out before we really hear any breaking information.

We also won't hear much about Riley's future until after Iowa, unless the team just self destructs. I don't think a month will make that much of a difference if Frost is focused on UCF. But, Moos better be very concise in his evaluation of Riley and be prepared to move on prospects afterwards.

We shall see how it all plays out.

Agree. Frost won’t budge until UCF’s season is over. Just think the Florida faithful, who are abundant down here, will start whispering in his ear. Maybe we will too, very secretly.

 

[coachDubs]

This is pure gold, couldn't make it up if I tried.

Wind blowing poster pennsy gonna wind blowing poster.

 

[coachDubs]

Thank you.. More evidence that you shouldn't be in this conversation. Yeah, you just keep trumpeting that 4 years, and in the meantime we'll keep discussing why Riley needs to go, and who he needs to be replaced by.

We've got a nice comfy chair for you on the sidelines. Grab a Coke too if you'd like. We'll bring you back in when we discuss dipping dots or scooped ice cream for the stadium.

Get your *** kicked throughout this thread and now try to divert. Not gonna happen boy, I own you. Just like the old days.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Get your *** kicked throughout this thread and now try to divert. Not gonna happen boy, I own you. Just like the old days.

You own me...by providing me with all of the instances that you supported keeping Riley for 4 years??? You're doing my work for me...again...much like the old days.

But wait, what you are saying makes great sense...in Bizarro World. This is what you're doing, right? Suggesting the exact opposite of what makes sense? I get it now. Fantastic work, George!!

 

[coachDubs]

You own me...by providing me with all of the instances that you supported keeping Riley for 4 years??? You're doing my work for me...again...much like the old days.

But wait, what you are saying makes great sense...in Bizarro World. This is what you're doing, right? Suggesting the exact opposite of what makes sense? I get it now. Fantastic work, George!!

You don't know when to STFU.

Prior to 2017 season

I would love nothing more than to have coach Riley retire from Nebraska.

And there's plenty more. Du gonna du, salted foot and all.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

This is pure gold, couldn't make it up if I tried.

Wind blowing poster pennsy gonna wind blowing poster.

Context is everything. A nuance that is lost on blowhards like you. When I liked your post of September 27th I was still listening very carefully to those who thought Riley should stay. Dinglefritz is the best poster in that regard and he had a big influence on my thinking. And he posts like a gentleman not a total ***. So when I liked your post I was acknowledging the cogency and coherence of your point of view. In other words, I was doing something you rarely do: showing respect for the well argued view of another poster even if I did not totally agree.
And I liked Husker Do's post because he is making sense. Your argument that the fans have "zero" pull on the AD's decision is so absurd it defies belief.
I am sure that what will now follow is a shitfest of deflections, insults, and personal attacks. It is what you do ever so well.
Bye

 

[Hoosker Du]

This is pure gold, couldn't make it up if I tried.

Wind blowing poster pennsy gonna wind blowing poster.

You don't know when to STFU.

Prior to 2017 season



And there's plenty more. Du gonna du.

I think it's YOU that doesn't know when to shut up, my friend. I would have loved to have coach Riley win the requisite number of games to continue coaching here, but he hasn't kept up his end of the bargain. He has struggled from the start of this year. But there old Timmy was, still supporting another year. Again...misplaced support. Just admit it, and I'll stop poking fun at you..

 

[coachDubs]

Context is everything. A nuance that is lost on blowhards like you.

RollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaugh

You're a wind blower, and nothing else.

And let's not forget this dandy earlier ITT.

Don't belittle a poster for expressing a view

The wind is blowing so it's alright for you to "belittle" someone. Goodness gracious you're pathetic.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Context is everything. A nuance that is lost on blowhards like you. When I liked your post of September 27th I was still listening very carefully to those who thought Riley should stay. Dinglefritz is the best poster in that regard and he had a big influence on my thinking. And he posts like a gentleman not a total ***. So when I liked your post I was acknowledging the cogency and coherence of your point of view. In other words, I was doing something you rarely do: showing respect for the well argued view of another poster even if I did not totally agree.
And I liked Husker Do's post because he is making sense. Your argument that the fans have "zero" pull on the AD's decision is so absurd it defies belief.
I am sure that what will now follow is a shitfest of deflections, insults, and personal attacks. It is what you do ever so well.
Bye

I'm going to start calling Timmy the Mass Spectrometer, because his ability to deflect is unparalleled.

 

[coachDubs]

I think it's YOU that doesn't know when to shut up, my friend. I would have loved to have coach Riley win the requisite number of games to continue coaching here, but he hasn't kept up his end of the bargain. He has struggled from the start of this year. But there old Timmy was, still supporting another year. Again...misplaced support. Just admit it, and I'll stop poking fun at you..

Neither of my responses say that, dudu.