This Orlando shooting is sickening...
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Exactly.
The fact that these events turn into gun debates is 17ing ridiculous. They probably laugh at us every time they execute these plans.
"Stupid Americans are gonna blame guns, Muhammad lolol!!!"
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The fact that these events turn into gun debates is 17ing ridiculous. They probably laugh at us every time they execute these plans.
"Stupid Americans are gonna blame guns, Muhammad lolol!!!"
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He called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS prior to killing everyone in the club.
Even without that information, it is perfectly normal to jump to conclusions in today's environment. Law enforcement needs to immediately protect the country as if it is a terrorist attack when these things happen until proven otherwise. All gay pride parades needed to immediately be checked for more crazies. It's logical and necessary.
Im sure you know someone who owns a gun. Ask them instead of a MSU message board.
I understand that part. I just think the generalized "jumping to conclusions" is going to hurt us.
Even if he did pledge his allegiance to ISIS, how deep was that allegiance? Would we be prepared to vastly escalate a war with them and start sending troops based on the fact he simply just watched a couple of YouTube videos and decided to hit up a night club? Because that's what's going to happen. The voting public is going to keep getting angrier and angrier and start demanding more radical military responses. It's where we are headed, even if it's not totally just simply because of things like this happening. I loath the idea of getting more caught up in the Middle East because it's a no-win situation for everyone and a lot of American lives are on the line.
If it's just, it's just. I understand protecting ourselves. But we should, as a voting public, do our due diligence before making harsh demands, and our ability to think rationally is becoming less and less due to a lot of anger, both just and unjust. I just think we should be careful. That's all I'm saying.
Even if he did pledge his allegiance to ISIS, how deep was that allegiance? Would we be prepared to vastly escalate a war with them and start sending troops based on the fact he simply just watched a couple of YouTube videos and decided to hit up a night club? Because that's what's going to happen. The voting public is going to keep getting angrier and angrier and start demanding more radical military responses. It's where we are headed, even if it's not totally just simply because of things like this happening. I loath the idea of getting more caught up in the Middle East because it's a no-win situation for everyone and a lot of American lives are on the line.
If it's just, it's just. I understand protecting ourselves. But we should, as a voting public, do our due diligence before making harsh demands, and our ability to think rationally is becoming less and less due to a lot of anger, both just and unjust. I just think we should be careful. That's all I'm saying.
The thing is
his attempt at a snarky joke, to protect one from others with them, is the most legit reason there is. It's why there is the 2A.
his attempt at a snarky joke, to protect one from others with them, is the most legit reason there is. It's why there is the 2A.
It's already
happened. We've got combat units fighting on the ground, now, and we need to escalate it.
Im not sure the everyday American realizes the threat.
happened. We've got combat units fighting on the ground, now, and we need to escalate it.
Im not sure the everyday American realizes the threat.
I don't see how putting the nation on alert hurts us. I don't care about hurting anyone's feelings about what we say. I care about protecting Americans. All airlines should be put on alert; All law enforcement agencies; All large events; etc. I'm more concerned about the police response than anything. Our government's unwillingness to do this because of possibly saying words that will hurt people's feeling is crazy.
The war on terror has changed very significantly. Small ops are the norm along with drones. Air strikes are also increasing rather than ground troops. The response by France is much more similar to what we likely see in the future.
Questioning what the killer said is the ultimate in political correctness. Did you question if that ******* in South Carolina who shot up the church was a racist? I find it funny that a white guy does what he did in a black church and the jump to conclusion mat is rolled out with an amazing quickness and no one wants to wait to see if he is a racist. We at some point have to face the reality of what is going on.
"a lot of American lives are on the line" ???? No ****. Who do think those poor souls that were slaughtered last night were. No one wants to get caught up in the Middle East but we can deny these radicals from attacking us on our on soil even if it means purging them from this country. You seem afraid of what might happen and I`m telling you it`s already here...game on.
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Our foreign occupation has fueled the hatred towards the USA. I think what we have done in Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq were terrible actions. I am not going to get deep into what the reasoning is behind all of our meddling.
Anyone who supports a terror group, like this guy, needs to be picked up ASAP. We are to worried about being correct in assessing a real threat. Shut the damn borders down and pick up all sympathizers is a start.
Anyone who supports a terror group, like this guy, needs to be picked up ASAP. We are to worried about being correct in assessing a real threat. Shut the damn borders down and pick up all sympathizers is a start.
My family is split between Texas and Mississippi. I believe that all have voted for Trump so far. No one in my entire extended family owns a gun in their home except the ONE uncle who owns and lives on a farm.
I'm for the right to own a gun. I would just like to have a healthy discussion about common sense regulations (like ones that we've played on cars and alcohol, since those have been mentioned) that can be put into effect, but one particular non-profit is is famous for scare tactics to make that not happen.
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Looks like it could be a coordinated event.
http://fox43.com/2016/06/12/officia...xplosives-was-arrested-on-his-way-to-lapride/
http://fox43.com/2016/06/12/officia...xplosives-was-arrested-on-his-way-to-lapride/
Terrorist attacks during Ramadan is like snow during Winter. ISIS encourages terror attacks during Ramadan and wants it to be a "month of terror".
Gun control is not the issue. Radical Islam is the issue---Radical Islam preaches a Death sentence for Gay & Lesbians and this is what this guy Mateen was doing / thinking.
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Gun control is not the issue. Radical Islam is the issue---Radical Islam preaches a Death sentence for Gay & Lesbians and this is what this guy Mateen was doing / thinking.
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Omar Mateen is to blame.
There are people who knew this guy. I would bet someone in his circle today is thinking "I can't believe he actually did it."
The best way to stop these crazy people is for the people within their circle of influence to notify law enforcement that the person is a threat.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/85789320/
There are people who knew this guy. I would bet someone in his circle today is thinking "I can't believe he actually did it."
The best way to stop these crazy people is for the people within their circle of influence to notify law enforcement that the person is a threat.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/85789320/
It's not politically correct to say so, but there's a HUGE problem with Islam itself. Muslim leaders don't do nearly enough to condemn the actions of extremists and ostracize them from the faith. There are millions of peaceful Muslims all over the world, but another problem is that they keep electing fanatical crazies over and over and over. Until Islam looks itself in the mirror and sacks up, more fanatics will be made. As for ISIS, go in with coalition forces from the United States and Europe. Scorched earth, slaughter every self-identifying ISIS member.
I don't believe the government is scared of hurting someone's feelings with rhetoric, what they are hesitant to say is Islamic extremists because they will be painting with a broad brush. Over a billion people practice Islam, let's say for argument sake 100,000 are batshit crazy ********. I am pretty sure we do not want that number to expand because our President and candidates go off the chain in discussing the issue with strong rhetoric towards all the 999900000 other Muslims that just want to worship peacefully and live their lives without another country talking constant **** about the way they live their lives.
USAs occupation of various Muslim countries has been responsible for more loss of life on their side than we will ever acknowledge. And the only way this will be stopped, is IF Muslims stand up against it. The US will lose ground Everytime we try to solve it. Mark that down.
Muslims need to erase these extremist from the world. Only problem is, some regular Muslims support Isis tactics and theology, just like some Americans support our occupation and murder of their country and people.
USAs occupation of various Muslim countries has been responsible for more loss of life on their side than we will ever acknowledge. And the only way this will be stopped, is IF Muslims stand up against it. The US will lose ground Everytime we try to solve it. Mark that down.
Muslims need to erase these extremist from the world. Only problem is, some regular Muslims support Isis tactics and theology, just like some Americans support our occupation and murder of their country and people.
Our president didn't mind painting with a broad brush when he called republicans the enemy
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...dnt-have-used-the-word-enemies/1#.V13B7Mg8KnM
There appears to be plenty of peaceful Muslims; however, very, very few condemn radical Muslims. At the end of the day one is hardly discernible form the other and they will turn on non-Muslims quickly. Ask veterans who spent time in the Middle East, especially someone from special operations. These people are savages who are attempting to rewind humanity.
Yep, at this point the Muslim believers are in the same boat that Germans were in during Nazi control---they are good people & may even be the majority but they are led by Crazy Extreme and Violent leaders.
The problem is that Germany was just 1 country that was invaded and the Nazi party was crushed; Radical Islam is present in multiple countries and has "cells" and "lone wolf sympathizers" in even more countries. So Radical Islam is not something that we can invade and destroy---it has to be destroyed from within. And currently there is not enough strength and bravery among moderate Muslims to stop it.
The problem is that Germany was just 1 country that was invaded and the Nazi party was crushed; Radical Islam is present in multiple countries and has "cells" and "lone wolf sympathizers" in even more countries. So Radical Islam is not something that we can invade and destroy---it has to be destroyed from within. And currently there is not enough strength and bravery among moderate Muslims to stop it.
Wait, are we saying that my 10-22 is an assault rifle? After all it has the same characteristics as the uber dangerous evil black assault rifles. It's semi auto, has 25 rounds and drum magazines, and it can even be had with evil black plastic. It's humorous that everyone wants to ban "assault" weapons yet shotguns aren't usually grouped in that discussion.
We could start by outlawing Islam and halting all immigration from that religion. Shut down the mosques. The hate spread and led from them does not fall under freedom of religion.
Explain to me how saying "Islamic extremists" by the government implies anything about the rest of Islamist people? If I said it was a Michigan Extremist action, I wouldn't then think all Michigan citizens are preppers spending their time in a bunker in the UP. Like I said earlier, I'm ok with saying "organized terrorist event" or something similar until we are certain it is someone who is a sympathizer with ISIS or even not a terrorist at all (mass shooting crazy person like in Colorado). We know what organized terrorist events can look like: coordinated actions happening simultaneously by multiple people in different areas. This is my biggest concern.
We agree on a few points in the rest of your post but that's diverting away from the point I was making. I'm not talking about how to fix the problem. I'm talking about how we reasonably respond to the symptoms of the problem when it occurs on our soil.
If you own a tall building, it`s got to go too
BEFORE a crowd of men on a street in the Syrian city of Palmyra, the masked Islamic State group judge read out the sentence against the two men convicted of homosexuality: They would be thrown to their deaths from the roof of the nearby Wael Hotel.He asked one of the men if he was satisfied with the sentence. Death, the judge told him, would help cleanse him of his sin.
“I’d prefer it if you shoot me in the head,” 32-year-old Hawas Mallah replied helplessly. The second man, 21-year-old Mohammed Salameh, pleaded for a chance to repent, promising never to have sex with a man again, according to a witness among the onlookers that sunny July morning who gave The Associated Press a rare first-hand account.
“Take them and throw them off,” the judge ordered. Other masked extremists tied the men’s hands behind their backs and blindfolded them. They led them to the roof of the four-storey hotel, according to the witness, who spoke in the Turkish city of Reyhanli on condition he be identified only by his first name, Omar, for fear of reprisals.
Obviously this building killed these guys....the people that threw them off wouldn`t have been able to do this with a 1 story building.......but hey if we get rid of our guns it`ll all be good.
BEFORE a crowd of men on a street in the Syrian city of Palmyra, the masked Islamic State group judge read out the sentence against the two men convicted of homosexuality: They would be thrown to their deaths from the roof of the nearby Wael Hotel.He asked one of the men if he was satisfied with the sentence. Death, the judge told him, would help cleanse him of his sin.
“I’d prefer it if you shoot me in the head,” 32-year-old Hawas Mallah replied helplessly. The second man, 21-year-old Mohammed Salameh, pleaded for a chance to repent, promising never to have sex with a man again, according to a witness among the onlookers that sunny July morning who gave The Associated Press a rare first-hand account.
“Take them and throw them off,” the judge ordered. Other masked extremists tied the men’s hands behind their backs and blindfolded them. They led them to the roof of the four-storey hotel, according to the witness, who spoke in the Turkish city of Reyhanli on condition he be identified only by his first name, Omar, for fear of reprisals.
Obviously this building killed these guys....the people that threw them off wouldn`t have been able to do this with a 1 story building.......but hey if we get rid of our guns it`ll all be good.
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There's any number of adjectives I could willingly use to describe the man who currently holds the title of president of the United States, but "Leader" sure ain't one of them . . . . . . . . .
1) driving cars and possession and consumption of alcholol is a privlidge and not a right. Aside from that. It is illegal to drive while impaired (common sense regulation) yet hundreds of people die each day and kill innocent people while speeding and/or driving while impaired. This is on a level way far and above mass shootings. Now when is the last time you exceeded the speed limit? Had a couple prior to driving home? If it happened in your town would you agree that speeding should be raised to a felony after a tragedy?
Hell they get on TV and warn people during holiday weekends there will be more enforcement. Yet there are hundreds of dipshits that get arrested for DUI when the tally is over.
2). It is beyond evident where your theme of "common sense regulation" comes from. Listening to those sources are turning your brain to mush. The same mush that sees a guy pledge allegiance to a terrorist group, goes to a club with an explosive vest, kill innocents, and then blame the gun he was using and lay that as the problem. Notice who was to blame after Boston? Yep the bombers. Everywhere else it's the gun. Nowhere is it put out publicly to blame the common denominator.
3) There are common sense gun laws enacted in Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles, St Louis, etc. All of those cities are a bloodbath during the weekend. Now why is that?
4) you know why that certain non profit is so strong? It's not from selling bootleg DVDs. Millions of people donate to them and side with them.
I will say this, I'm sick of Americans and Europeans being slaughtered because of "political correctness" and not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings. The Belgium situation was enlightening. I thought Belgian authorities did a fantastic job. They went door to door in Muslim neighborhoods trying to root the scum out. What was shocking was how the so-called "innocent" Muslims were seemingly protective of the suspected terrorists. And just for the record, I know a Muslim family. They're great people and would not stand for this crap in their congregation. Unfortunately, they seem to be in the minority.
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