Texas @ Gonzaga

jameslee32

Heisman
Mar 26, 2009
33,664
22,359
83
Zags probably deserve to be ranked #1 as much as anyone else. It just doesn't mean anything right now.
 

IUfanBorden

Heisman
Dec 11, 2011
53,775
52,300
0
Ooof. Timme is a damn good player though. What was telling though is he was the only one that could hang with those Baylor athletes in the NC game.

Zags are always good. But the question remains. Can they win it all?
Tough to win the title, man...Especially in a single elimination game. I felt they were better than UNC....but let that one get away. Baylor was just crazy, good---and played exceptionally well.

We all have seen very, very good teams not win the title....or even get to the Final Four.

I do think eventually Few will get his. But this year, man there are some stud teams: Duke, UK, UCLA, Michigan, Purdue, etc, etc......All capable of beating Gonzaga.

I just think its silly questioning a coach over if he's won a title, or not. Calipari has one title....Kevin Ollie has one title----Who would you take as a coach?
 
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mash_24

Heisman
Sep 26, 2011
9,384
27,506
108
They play the game the way it is supposed to played it , as a team. A lot of people on here are so jealous of them, that they can't see how good the Zags actually are.
I respect what Gonzaga has built as a program. That being said, stay in your lane. UK is old money. Go troll Illinois Chicago’s or Butler’s board. They’re new money like you.
 

bbnkat02

Heisman
Nov 14, 2017
47,700
71,063
113
Tough to win the title, man...Especially in a single elimination game. I felt they were better than UNC....but let that one get away. Baylor was just crazy, good---and played exceptionally well.

We all have seen very, very good teams not win the title....or even get to the Final Four.

I do think eventually Few will get his. But this year, man there are some stud teams: Duke, UK, UCLA, Michigan, Purdue, etc, etc......All capable of beating Gonzaga.

I just think its silly questioning a coach over if he's won a title, or not. Calipari has one title....Kevin Ollie has one title----Who would you take as a coach?
But all hose teams you listed. Play in a power five conference. And have earned their lumps. Zags play in high schools gyms during conference season.

Id have a hell of a lot more respect for them if the moved it even the PAC-12 or the Big East. I know that makes no sense geographically, but that really doesn’t matter anymore.
 

bbnkat02

Heisman
Nov 14, 2017
47,700
71,063
113
They play the game the way it is supposed to played it , as a team. A lot of people on here are so jealous of them, that they can't see how good the Zags actually are.
Zags are good. I’m sorry. Are they the only ones that play as a team? I’ve seen pretty good team ball so far this year from our group too. Last year sucked. No question. And we’ve had plenty of instances of me ball before. But that’s not why people give the Zags crap.

Swing and a miss.
 

revcort

Heisman
Feb 20, 2003
32,522
30,904
113
askew in here jacking up bricks
This is the reason Beard shouldn't be talking about Askew as the next great point guard. It's clear to those of us who know basketball that Askew isn't that. Beard is just raising expectations too high for Askew. I wish the guy the best but he's not an elite guard. He may have been highly rated out of high school but he is not a 5-star talent. He is a role player for a high major team. We all found that out the hard way last season. He could become a decent rotation player by his senior year.
 

IUfanBorden

Heisman
Dec 11, 2011
53,775
52,300
0
But all hose teams you listed. Play in a power five conference. And have earned their lumps. Zags play in high schools gyms during conference season.

Id have a hell of a lot more respect for them if the moved it even the PAC-12
Villanova plays in a watered down Big East....BUt they have won two national titles. You really think the BE is comaparable to the SEC, B10, ACC, etc, etc....?

What does it matter what size gym GU plays in......There are 5 HS gyms in Indiana, that bigger than Cameron Indoor.

Until recently, the SEC was seen as an average P5 conference----dominated by UF and UK. In a few seasons, it was actually rated lower than the WCC.

Sure they play in a meh conference....but that has no bearing how good they are. You don't think Gonzaga could compete in the SEC, ACC, B10, etc, etc...? Of course they could.
 
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ArtLaibsGhost_rivals

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Dec 6, 2020
4,710
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The best team doesn’t always win it look at 2015, however last year Baylor WAS the best team and they deserved thier title. Gonzaga had better team than UNC I thought the year they played em but they weren’t deep enough to overcome the foul trouble they had in the title game. I though UK had the better team the night we lost to Zona but Rick kind of lost his nerve and didn’t play our best player despite him being cleared by the doctors and wanting to play. Cal has lost at least 2 titles one at Memphis and one agianst UConn because those teams couldn’t hit free throws.
 

guzagsforthree

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Nov 13, 2021
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Since 1999, Gonzaga has went to the SW 16 or better 5 times----as a 4 seed or worse. Four times as a double digit seed...

1999: 10 seed. Elite 8
2000: 10 seed. SW 16
2001: 12 seed. SW 16
2016: 11 Seed. SW 16
2018: 4 seed. SW 16

Not to mention they have not lost in the 1st round since 2008. Whats crazy is during that span they have been a 7 seed or worse, 6 times in that stretch.

In other words, Gonzaga has shown they can advance in the tourney, regardless of their seed.

They are good. Very good. If they played in the SEC, B10, ACC, etc, etc....., they'd still get the high seeds, b/c well, they are very good. Look over the past 6 seasons....Or even this year. Name one team this year in any P5 conference that is better? Maybe UCLA? Maybe Kanasas? Maybe Duke? If so, not by much.

The disrespect they get is silly.
Most NCAA wins in that 6 tourney stretch?
Gonzaga with 20. Next closest with 17 wins is Villanova.

WCC currently #7 (out of 32 D1 conferences). WCC finished #8 last 3 seasons.

Sure too bad Cal and the Wildcats won’t schedule the Zags in OOC like Duke, Kansas, UNC, Baylor (and Iowa) etc does.
 

IUfanBorden

Heisman
Dec 11, 2011
53,775
52,300
0
Amen to that. Never would I root for Duke. Just not in my blood.
Feel the same about Purdue. My wife is a huge UK fan....her entire family is. So is my brother; lives down the road from Commonwealth. Never had an issue with the Cats. Grew up around them, as much as I did Indiana.

But Purdue?

**** them....I wish West Laffy would flood, and wash over into Illinois.
 
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SmedMoley

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Nov 14, 2020
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Most NCAA wins in that 6 tourney stretch?
Gonzaga with 20. Next closest with 17 wins is Villanova.

WCC currently #7 (out of 32 D1 conferences). WCC finished #8 last 3 seasons.

Sure too bad Cal and the Wildcats won’t schedule the Zags in OOC like Duke, Kansas, UNC, Baylor (and Iowa) etc does.
Go play in a real conference and get back to us. Troll
 

ArtLaibsGhost_rivals

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The biggest problem with the WCC is coming down the stretch in February you have to play nobody, teams like UK, Duke Baylor play wars agianst the likes of Auburn, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Okla State, Texas. IMO these kind of games are necessary to prepare you for the tough moments in the NCAA games which are always wars. It gives teams in those power conferences a distinct advantage over teams that haven’t really been tested in 2 months, that’s also why IMO a team from one of those kind of conferences usually wins the whole thing, even the zBig East night in night out is much tougher than the WCC.
 
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IUfanBorden

Heisman
Dec 11, 2011
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If you're educating, you might try learning the difference in tense. There's a difference. 😉
Always cute when folks resort to this type of responding....Its a tell...As in, damn, he's right, so I'm gonna attack some silly **** instead.

You have zero clue about basketball, outside of Kentucky. That is very evident.

For years, UK beat up on a football conference. I don't see ya addressing that. Why not?
 
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precipitance

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Feb 6, 2018
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Since 1999, Gonzaga has went to the SW 16 or better 5 times----as a 4 seed or worse. Four times as a double digit seed...



1999: 10 seed. Elite 8

2000: 10 seed. SW 16

2001: 12 seed. SW 16

2016: 11 Seed. SW 16

2018: 4 seed. SW 16



Not to mention they have not lost in the 1st round since 2008. Whats crazy is during that span they have been a 7 seed or worse, 6 times in that stretch.



In other words, Gonzaga has shown they can advance in the tourney, regardless of their seed.



They are good. Very good. If they played in the SEC, B10, ACC, etc, etc....., they'd still get the high seeds, b/c well, they are very good. Look over the past 6 seasons....Or even this year. Name one team this year in any P5 conference that is better? Maybe UCLA? Maybe Kanasas? Maybe Duke? If so, not by much.



The disrespect they get is silly.
"If" is the problem word for your argument. They never have to prove anything because if doesn't exist. No one believes they aren't a good team. The point is they DO have an easier path to a better seed because of the 20 plus cupcakes free wins they get every year and therefore have an easier path in the tournament. If, if, if you can't at least concede that and then you're not arguing in good faith. The disrespect is fully earned and not silly at all. They should not be handed a one seed in December. How is that fair by any measure?
 

IUfanBorden

Heisman
Dec 11, 2011
53,775
52,300
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Maybe they get a 1 seed b/c they are, well---good? WCC isn't great---buts its not terrible either. Rated 7th last year, out of 32 conferences.

Do they get an easier path to a top seed due to playing in the WCC? Sure. Are they deserving of such high seeds? Absolutely. And they have shown that. Its not like they are getting bounced early in the NCAAT....Been to 4 Elite 8's and played for 2 national titles in the past 6 full seasons. Seems to me they are proving they are worth the seed(s) they are getting.

Would they be 32-2 every year if they played in the SEC, ACC, etc,etc.....No. Would they compete for a Top 3 seed/conference title? Absolutely.
 

KyCatFan1

Heisman
May 6, 2002
30,867
31,594
113
Most NCAA wins in that 6 tourney stretch?
Gonzaga with 20. Next closest with 17 wins is Villanova.

WCC currently #7 (out of 32 D1 conferences). WCC finished #8 last 3 seasons.

Sure too bad Cal and the Wildcats won’t schedule the Zags in OOC like Duke, Kansas, UNC, Baylor (and Iowa) etc does.
Gonzaga has no choice but to play some real teams ooc if they want to get a high seed. We don't even really need to do that if we take care of business in conference but we still play one of the better ooc schedules in the country. We already play Duke, Kansas, Louisville, Notre Dame, and Ohio State to go with I believe 5 top 25 SEC games (so far). Like I said in another post, win a title and you might get invited to play in the Champions Classic and play us.
 

Cowtown Cat

Heisman
Aug 23, 2015
24,206
55,047
100
Since 1999, Gonzaga has went to the SW 16 or better 5 times----as a 4 seed or worse. Four times as a double digit seed...

1999: 10 seed. Elite 8
2000: 10 seed. SW 16
2001: 12 seed. SW 16
2016: 11 Seed. SW 16
2018: 4 seed. SW 16

Not to mention they have not lost in the 1st round since 2008. Whats crazy is during that span they have been a 7 seed or worse, 6 times in that stretch.

In other words, Gonzaga has shown they can advance in the tourney, regardless of their seed.

They are good. Very good. If they played in the SEC, B10, ACC, etc, etc....., they'd still get the high seeds, b/c well, they are very good. Look over the past 6 seasons....Or even this year. Name one team this year in any P5 conference that is better? Maybe UCLA? Maybe Kanasas? Maybe Duke? If so, not by much.

The disrespect they get is silly.
They’ve never beaten a 1 seed. They haven’t beaten a 2 seed since 2000. They have a losing record against 3 seeds and have only beaten a 3 seed one time. Some juggernaut they are. Not to mention, they always get the easiest of all regions, the West.
 
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PasadenaCat

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Always cute when folks resort to this type of responding....Its a tell...As in, damn, he's right, so I'm gonna attack some silly **** instead.

You have zero clue about basketball, outside of Kentucky. That is very evident.

For years, UK beat up on a football conference. I don't see ya addressing that. Why not?
You mean doing what you're doing?

Sure man, if you say so... it's a bit odd you believe this but have been arguing with me all evening about it, though...

Weird argument leap to say the least. But, beat up on a football conference? SEC has been pretty good at basketball the last few years. We had multiple good teams in the early and mid 2000's with TN, UF, Vandy, UK. In the 90's we used to have great games with LSU, Arkansas and UF more towards the late 90's. It's definitely had down stretches, but we have been far, far better than the WCC. I think the SEC has produced more champions than the big 10 in that span too, right?

Dude, you shouldn't let some stranger on the internet get in your head so bad!
 

PasadenaCat

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Maybe they get a 1 seed b/c they are, well---good? WCC isn't great---buts its not terrible either. Rated 7th last year, out of 32 conferences.

Do they get an easier path to a top seed due to playing in the WCC? Sure. Are they deserving of such high seeds? Absolutely. And they have shown that. Its not like they are getting bounced early in the NCAAT....Been to 4 Elite 8's and played for 2 national titles in the past 6 full seasons. Seems to me they are proving they are worth the seed(s) they are getting.

Would they be 32-2 every year if they played in the SEC, ACC, etc,etc.....No. Would they compete for a Top 3 seed/conference title? Absolutely.
Is this Mrs. Few? 😉