You can understand NIL is the right thing to have while also knowing it hurts UK. It has nothing to do with identity politics.
Bates to Memphis
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Dana Kirk ain't walking through the door. This is still Memphis, with 1 FF appearance 49 years ago, lol
I don't know anything about Bates and whether we did or didn't do anything. But someone listing a school with an offer doesn't necessarily mean anything. Many schools can throw out 'offers' to a kid earlier in the process as a way to say they're interested but it's basically an offer pending 'getting to know them', 'future development', etc...essentially not an offer. Maybe UK wanted this kid...no idea. I just know sometimes these offers aren't legitimate options at the end a good deal of the time...either teams offered at one point and gave a time period to commit or we move on...or they offer because they heard or saw someone else did but they still want to do their own evaluation. It's all kinds of things. This kid has athleticism but maybe something else is an issue for particular schools.
The latter of which happened to a kid in the Nashville area. Last year Braeden Moore 'got offered' by Kansas or somebody that they put out and then within a week or two you had UNC and whomever do the same and they only did it because Kansas did. People had seen or heard about him being a really good shooting big, he's not big enough for the high D1 level to be slow footed. By the end, those schools were not legitimate options after a summer of in person evaluation and he ended up at Rutgers.
I'm not defending Cal with this at all. I would like to see us pick it up too.
A big problem for us is that Kentucky’s businesses are either insular (horse racing) or irrelevant for NIL (Alltech) and have zero benefit from hiring and athlete except to just pay him. Even if fedex just mostly wants to pay him, people got to fedex store fronts, there’s commercials on tv, so they can actually get some benefit from it. Keeneland and alltech have no use for a future nba spokesman.
nothing... they went there for the beautiful city, great coaching and overall wonderful experience of Memphis State.
Good points. Couldn't Makers Mark do bottles of players or would that not be allowed if not over 21?
Other than that it is slim pickens. YUM Brands is all over Louisville, Papa John's is toast.
All the big businesses HQ'd here are in the spirits industry.
Look, this is off the main topic but not off the recent discussion;
I love our team for next year as is.
We have a point guard that can penetrate at will in the SEC and a wing that can shoot the three or score one one one plus 4 other points or wings that can hit the three.
At the four we likely have Hopkins and Collins fighting for 3rd string. Our center is a brute who is a tremendous rebounder.
The structure and talent of this team is outstanding.
I won't deny my blue tinted shades or the blue marrow in my bones but I believe this team will compete for a national championship.
I may deluded but when it comes to our upcoming basketball season I'm also content and eager.
I love our team for next year as is.
We have a point guard that can penetrate at will in the SEC and a wing that can shoot the three or score one one one plus 4 other points or wings that can hit the three.
At the four we likely have Hopkins and Collins fighting for 3rd string. Our center is a brute who is a tremendous rebounder.
The structure and talent of this team is outstanding.
I won't deny my blue tinted shades or the blue marrow in my bones but I believe this team will compete for a national championship.
I may deluded but when it comes to our upcoming basketball season I'm also content and eager.
You are severely underrating Ed, he can be that dense.
yep... no offers... you will see that in 6 mns these player will not be doing any NIL endorsements and driving K-cars...
just the same as, no one at all thought the Taliban would take over Afghanistan so quickly
but, but BBN is so large and vast, we can outbid anyone.
We live in our own blue fairyland...
I've got no doubt this collection of players could challenge for a championship. But I don't think it can the way Cal coaches. Pitino, Wright or even "Aw shucks" Roy might fare better with players like this.
This entire situation is due to the political climate we face. No one even suggested these things until identity politics became part of it.
In 1995 players, families, and fans mostly believed getting a free education and top training was enough. I can honestly say I had never heard of the grievance issue until it became popular to victimize people for pandering. And everyone else knows they didn’t think anything about it either until victimization became a political weapon. If some want to ignore that then ignore it. But it’s clear as day.
In any event, you are assuming it’s the right thing to do. I don’t know that, you don’t don’t know that. We know Americans are more dense and ignorant today than ever before, and these are the issues we take on.
It appears you don’t know what you’re talking about with respect the history of this issue.
The Head of the NCAA recommended the creation of a semi-professional open division which would’ve also allowed NIL compensation back in 1984. That was 37 years ago. And it wasn’t merely a suggestion. He repeatedly lobbied for it and the university presidents eventually pushed him into retirement in 1988 as a result of his change in direction.
Allowing players to fully control their NIL rights is the right thing to do and the colleges and universities had nearly 4 decades to get in front of this issue.
dude, I agree with ... no offers... you will see that in 6 mns these player will not be doing any NIL endorsements and driving K-cars...
They dissed Cal because he can't recruit, coach or put players in the league... Penny has won championship after championship; at every level he has coached or played at... I mean Hell, Cal never won the middle school state championship as a coach
You are definitely right that none of this would have happened without covid and the ensuing political wars.
I just can't find any well thought out reason I agree with that someone shouldn't be able to make as much money as they can with their likeness.
It’s not that simple I think the fedex NIL deal was part of it and they may get looked at for that. A big part of the reason he is getting many of his top recruits (other than wiseman) is he goes after guys late in the summer when other coaches have their teams and aren’t looking to mess up chemistry.
Somewhat true. Not many good programs had two free starting positions to become the best players to give away. Memphis wasnt in preseason top 25s until August.
Penny been recruiting like Swaggy Cal and coaching like Saggy Cal.
But somehow that doesn’t matter. Screams SHADY, SHADY, SHADY.
Chemistry what chemistry? I'm going to be hot if our coach isn't really going hard for the best talent because he doesn't want the chemistry to be upset. Usually it's just a bunch of freshmen, this year it's them and transfers. Most haven't played together anyway in a real game, it's going to take time.
So bring on the best, I heard the same excuse about Kofi it's like "oh I forgot all the great seasons Sahvir Wheeler, Oscar and Kellen Grady had together, don't wanna mess that up"
Other than his first year all three 5 star guys he signed were in the summer Cisse, Duren and Bates. He’s not locking big names up in the fall he’s going after everyone whenever he can and the big reasons they got those guys was he missed on the guys they went for early in the process. Maybe it will be different we shall see. But to say they are hot program all the big recruits are going to definitely isn’t the case. They are the school guys who reclassify late can go to because they always need a big name guy or two and can offer playing time.
Nonsense.
It never happened and it never gained traction. This is a modern grievance which has been created from the arm of identity politics. ESPN has led the March outlining the color of the average ncaa player making it akin to modern slavery. It has 100% been been influenced by that to a large degree. I think it’s the main reason the NIL is here actually.
That’s why the push has been so great, that’s why everywhere you look it’s a certain group that’s firmly behind it. Even in the media it is same types of people pushing. It’s definitely political. And you couldn’t find a person in 1997 wondering why Derek Anderson couldn’t sign a contract like a professional.
You guys are just disingenuous. At least admit the current political climate helped this along. That’s why I just don’t trust this element, always dishonest. And it’s seen that way because a lot of the efforts from that end are unpopular.
Or he snags guys that were not available earlier. Or they are good enough that they don't commit early. They wait and let all the offers come in to decide. Spin it any way that makes you feel better, but at least admit, Penny is killing it.
What kind of season does Memphis need to have for you to call it a success? Make the tourney? Final 4. National Championship?
Disagree to a point.
Many player have moved on the the NBA that played for Cal, BUT was it because they played for Cal? I don't think so....
If they are that good, doesn't matter where they played (Ja Morant...Murray State...real powerhouse..first one that comes to mind.)
If you are a really good player, doesn't matter where you spend a year or two in college, you gonna go despite that.
So, look for a coach that been there, knows the inside scoop, and can give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience. AND, take advantage of NIL now that you can put some $$ in you pocket.
Man, the world has changed and those who don't change with it are doomed to watch the rest ride off into the sunset.
At this point, with all the hype about the rankings of the players he has brought in, they have to make it to the at least final 8 IMO, or the talking heads on the radio and TV are just pushing hot air. I don't put a lot of stock in what the "analyst" say about a bunch of 17-18 year old kids, period.
No use in hating on teams because they have been successful.
OH, yeah, on another topic...Saban is a cheater...
It most certainly did happen, so you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. And Walter Byers spoke publicly about it in interviews at the time.
What’s happening today is exactly what he advocated for starting in 1984. And Byers had nothing to do without whatever “grievance” nonsense you’re spouting on about. He’s the man who built the NCAA up from nothing. The most ardent defender of “amateurism” we’ve ever seen and the man who was responsible for introducing the term “student athlete” so that schools could side step potential workers comp issues for injured athletes.
But he also came to see big time sports for what they really were and he saw the hypocrisy of insisting athletes were students first while also depriving them of rights afforded to other student.
This is not some recent phenomenon and anyone who thinks otherwise is simply ignorant of the history of college sports. The political climate isn’t what changed.
What changed is that a plaintiff (i.e., O’Bannon) finally found a winning argument in court to crack open the wall of protection provided by a stray comment in the Board of Regents decision. People have been fighting the NCAA hard on this for nearly 50 years.
Times have changed. Social media has become a thing. The players in their own are worth money and they platforms to promote things. Just because it wasn’t a thing 30 years ago doesn’t mean it’s bad lol
I thought you cared more about if the court results than recruiting… yeah yeah last year sucked, I know. But if they have a comeback year then who gives a **** if we get top 5 or 10 recruits. Don’t you just want to win?
Do any of our fans on this board believe Memphis and their 2 studs will be better than Zion and RJ were? They may run through the reg season but there's not a doubt in my mind they won't win it. I'll be surprised if they make it to the elite 8
Zion and RJ were about as physically dominant as 2 players could be on one team.
Zion and RJ were about as physically dominant as 2 players could be on one team.
One top 5 pick since 2015. No Final Fours since 2016.
There's a real connection between those two realities.
No I’m saying it didn’t happen. As in the issue never came to light and no one really supported it.
It is absolutely a modern grievance that lines directly up with the current political climate.
Stay ignorant of you want to, but everyone can see what this is.
The only reason things did not change back then is because the courts repeatedly sided with the university presidents. University presidents are adamantly opposed to this today just as they were then. The difference is simply that the courts have stopped shielding them. Has nothing to do with political climate.
I’m reminded of something mentioned in an article in Sports Illustrated about college athletics.
Coaches believe, but are afraid to say, that the scholarship athlete is an employee of the university. With a contract. Paid to produce, to represent the school as an entertainer and emissary, paid in the currency of the "free ride," an all-expenses education—tuition, books, board, laundry, walking around money, etc.
That was written in 1969. People have been pressing on this for decades, but the courts and attitudes of university presidents blocked any meaningful movement.
If you think this is simply the result of today’s political climate, then you’re either too young to have been aware of this or you simply weren’t paying attention at the time.