Duren to Memphis - Confirmed
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I guess you'd need to tell me what Duren does that makes him so elite. I've been wondering that for months now. I went back and looked at Boogies high school highlights. Boogie was much more impressive.
Starting to recruit like tubby at least he got some new assistant coach’s he s trying
At this point I'm so used to how Cal manipulates perception that I'm not even convinced bringing in new coaches wasn't just to appease the fanbase.
No proven big time post players? IIRC Oscar had 5 15-rebound games as a freshman and something like 17 double-doubles, most against quality competition.
The concern is he played poorly last season before the transfer.
Yep. Use Kentucky to get the followers, sign with programs like Memphis to get paid again on the shady scene.
Until Barnhart is gone and an AD comes in willing to play the game, this is going to get bad.
Anyone who thought the NIL was a good idea with Mitch Barnhart in control will reverse that opinion soon. The NIL was never going to be good for us, and we dominated the old way. Can’t believe so many wanted a change.
Just like Sarr was supposed to push us over the top last year according to most on here
I was never expecting him to UK to begin with, so it's not a big loss.
So many of us have begged and screamed for Cal to get away from his old style offense, yet had Kofi become a Cat, we could have been right back in the same boat.
I want to see our guards and wings running the floor, spacing the floor, and getting quality shots. We have veterans and we have shooters. Let's play ball.
Most wins in BT the last two years.Will be adding to that this year.Much deeper team this year.However,this is your board,so carry on.
Calipari can win big with good point guard play and experience. We have both. Good thing they haven’t quit yet like you and many others have.
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I know I'm in the minority on here, but I"m very optimistic that Ware can provide us with a very serviceable back-up to Oscar. I liked his aggressiveness last year, and expect a substantial jump in his conditioning/strength w/ a full year of college weight training. He was just a tad underwhelming physically last year to play the style play he has to use to be successful at the college level.
Calipari has never had this level of experience here. I think you have to have one or the other. Elite, top five pick type freshmen or smart, hard working vets. We’ve never had a great mix of this here.
This season cannot really be compared to any Cal has had at UK. It’s more similar to Memphis when he was landing one or two studs like Banks, Williams, or Washington (similar to our Washington or Collins) to go with a group of juniors and seniors.
For instance, has Cal ever had a guy like Fredrick before? Maybe sophomore Doron Lamb?
Why be upset at fans who liked NIL? I thought it was going to knock us down due to how poor the state is and how we dont have the money boosters that at least 20 other schools have.. but those that liked it... if they didnt like it , it still wouldnt of stopped NIL from happening. Everyone here could of hated it with a passion , and still wouldnt stop it from happening so stop acting like its their fault.
The NIL is going to be the worst thing to ever happen to UK basketball. It’s going to take us from the top to middle of the pack before it’s over.
And the NIL wouldn’t have been possible without the very vocal grievance pushers sounding alarms over and over for 10 years.
No, I won’t stop doing anything. They’re at least going to held responsible in some way for helping destroy the dominance of UK basketball. By advocating for the NIL, you advocated for the removal of UK from the throne. I don’t think I’ll go quietly while it happens.
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The old way also had UK with the most all time wins, most conference championships, and 8 national titles.
The NIL is a disaster for us. If some of you only knew what Memphis is pulling to get these recruits. I don’t see anyone at UK operating in similar fashion.
Fredex and AUTOZ will be buying recruits left and right from this point on. It’s not a coincidence Memphis got the top 2 recruits out the gate from the NIL.
Let’s see. Do we trust head coach that has tremendous respect in the basketball community or a small group of anonymous random posters, many of whom probably are not even Kentucky fans? Do we trust a highly paid and skilled coaching team or a nondescript herd of faceless super geniuses that never earned a dime through coaching?
Decisions decisions.
Revealing that the ones wrapped around the axle here totally overlook vastly more important considerations. How well will the team gel? How well will they master defense? How well will the learn team defensive skills? Will COVID once again hamstring the coaching staff? How well will we master a half court set? How well will we shoot free throws? How well will we keep turnovers low and protect the ball?
Any one of these questions is vastly more important than Duren.
Decisions decisions.
Revealing that the ones wrapped around the axle here totally overlook vastly more important considerations. How well will the team gel? How well will they master defense? How well will the learn team defensive skills? Will COVID once again hamstring the coaching staff? How well will we master a half court set? How well will we shoot free throws? How well will we keep turnovers low and protect the ball?
Any one of these questions is vastly more important than Duren.
I've been saying that NIL is not an advantage to us. "The players can do autograph signing tours." That 10k is not close to the six figures these other schools are starting at.
Ineffective in producing a win. They tried to go to him all the time and did not do anything else. At least that’s what I remember. IIRC, the game was not close.
We've had more than one calling he and Bates as the best. That is stupid. In all likelihood, he'll be a typical freshman with as many off games as good games and he'll falter in the Tournament. Quite literally, we don't need him.
Many do not understand what’s really going on. I nearly made a thread about it but don’t want to give the trolls the glee.
I’m well versed in the Memphis scene so it’s the example I use.
Unless UK is going to compete with the entities like Autozone and especially Fred Smith, we have no way of combating programs like that with the NIL. No way.
What people don’t realize yet, and what Memphis did, is use the arm of Fred which will result in millions of dollars to players for years to come. Duren allegedly got 7 figures in some kind of FE deal, Bates less but substantial. Fred Smith is worth billions of dollars and loves playing with Memphis athletics.
There are very powerful influences at certain programs who will buy everything up. The game is irrelevant now. And anyone thinking former draft picks and an autograph tour is going to combat this need to stop forming an opinion. That’s the nicest way I can put it. They don’t know what they’re talking about.
Add in Barnhart’s participation in how this plays out?
Anyone that advocated for this to happen also advocated for UK to lose their position. I’ve held back but I’ve seen enough to know this is happening. Memphis didn’t pull the top two players in the FIRST class since the NIL was in acted for no reason.
Does Kentucky have power players who want to give millions to the basketball teams players? If the answer is no, UK is done being what we were.
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Congress and the ncaa will eventually put a cap on NIL amounts and what one can do. When that happens though, who knows. But hopefully soon.
Hope so. It just pisses me off seeing so many actually clamoring for Kentucky lose its grip without even knowing it.
This isn’t about free principles and ideology. This is college athletics which need rules to correctly adjust the playing field. Simply having an Uber rich booster should not distinguish winners and losers.
You're dreaming if you think the greedy progressives in Congress or the NCAA will ever do anything to limit the amount of money these players can rake in from big business.
They are too busy trying to figure out how to get their cut of all that cash.
Greed will be the death of college sports.
While I agree, a lot of teams would argue that the advantages enjoyed by big programs/conferences for decades is what created the uneven playing field to begin with. That’s why I HATE the whole power 5/playoff system.
Once you make it okay to create an advantage before a single down is played, it is just a matter of time until more separations are created and only the very few at the top have any real chance.
to me, that takes all of the fun out of sports.
Cal needs to, first and foremost, make up w/ NIKE. Then, may be time to hit up his nba boys to start an alumni fund of some type to help finance NIL
, “Kentucky took everything it wanted from Illinois and left their program in shambles."
"Kentucky will eventually right it’s ship, Illinois will always be mediocre."
Illinois was a #2 the this past year's tournament. Can't remember UK's seed...Lunardi has them a #2 seed in next year's tourney, UK is a #3 seed. If Illinois is in shambles, what's that say about UK?
"Kentucky will eventually right it’s ship, Illinois will always be mediocre."
Illinois was a #2 the this past year's tournament. Can't remember UK's seed...Lunardi has them a #2 seed in next year's tourney, UK is a #3 seed. If Illinois is in shambles, what's that say about UK?
The top five will follow the $$$$$. Today's players don't care about titles, Final Fours, fans, traditions or anything not tied to a quick path to the NBA and $$$$$ while in waiting to get there.
UK either becomes a semi pro team real quick or we will continue to eat after the big money schools.
College basketball as many of us once knew it is dead.