I don’t do this often, but I’ll put down $1000 he has 10 or more losses this coming season???
Marcus Carr commits to Texas
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I don’t do this often, but I’ll put down $1000 he has 10 or more losses this coming season???
There's plenty of coaches I can be complimentary of. I am really intrigued by Holtmann and hope he gets somethings accomplished at OSU. Oats is intriguing at Bama, but I need to see of he can get them consistently good and a few post season runs. I love Billy D and have always wanted him here. I'm a big Jay Wright fan as well. And, aside from the boring style of Play, Tony Bennett is a good coach as well.
I agree, I’m not a fan of Billy D. but he’s a good coach. I’m anxious to see how Oats does tho!
So now your argument is “it’s not hard to win at Texas Tech.” I guess that’s why so many guys have done it. 1 Final Four in program history. Only gotten past the Sweet 16 twice. Beard was the coach both times.
So it’s not hard to win there … even though Beard is the only one who ever really has.
Lol, this is cute.
TT has been in the NCAA tournament 19 times, made the sw16 17 times, have been conference tournament Champs 5 times, and regular conference Champs 12 times. They are in a power 5 conference, in a talent rich state and have reasonably wealthy boosters. They have a history that includeds a sufficient amount of success. They also have a history of bad coaching hires. So, again, it's really not hard to win there if you know how.
Yea, Beard may have their only E8's and runner-up appearance, but that's also because he was the best active coach they had. That doesn't mean he is a great coach. Obviously Knight would be considered their best coach, but he was well past his prime when he was there.
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Cal went to two NIT's at UMass and completely missed the tourney one year. Cal went to 3 NIT's at Memphis, which has a historically good program. He also has an NIT and a 9-16 season AT UK.
Beard went 19-10 at McMurry and took them to a Regional Final. He went 47-15 at Angelo St and took them to the third round of their tournament in his second year. He went 30-5 in his one year at Little Rock and made the Second round of the NCAA Tournament. He's taken TT to a title game, E8 and Second Round in 5 years at a place where 3 higher profile coaches (Knight, Tubby, Billy G) couldn't get it done. In fact Tubby was 46-50 overall and 18-36 in the B12 at TT and he's in the HOF? So, Tubby was good enough for us but Beard wouldn't be??
Beard went 19-10 at McMurry and took them to a Regional Final. He went 47-15 at Angelo St and took them to the third round of their tournament in his second year. He went 30-5 in his one year at Little Rock and made the Second round of the NCAA Tournament. He's taken TT to a title game, E8 and Second Round in 5 years at a place where 3 higher profile coaches (Knight, Tubby, Billy G) couldn't get it done. In fact Tubby was 46-50 overall and 18-36 in the B12 at TT and he's in the HOF? So, Tubby was good enough for us but Beard wouldn't be??
Who said Tubby was good enough for us? I didn't want him either. He was literally ran out of town, as was Gillespie.
Beard has just above a .500 record in Big 12 play.
To be clear one last time — I’m not campaigning for Beard. But the suggestion that he’d run our program into the ground is just flat out Skip Bayless level “I’m going to scream a hot take into the microphone for attention” silliness.
For sure, TTU isn't a basketball hot spot. But it's still in a power conference, in a highly populated state, with a top 100 ranking in endowment. It's not some mid-major school. Yet, some here are acting like TTU was completely holding him back. What he's done so far at TTU is pretty impressive, but it's not the same as what guys like Smart, Stevens and Marshall had to do to overcome the odds. I don't think any of those schools had it's own lazy river, either.
He coached at Loyola Chicago. He’s a good coach. I’ve heard many basketball people rave about his knowledge of the game. I don’t feel like researching how well he’s done at Loyola. He basically has placed that program as a mid major power, though.
Loyola Chicago coach got a new gig, too. Oklahoma. So those two guys are now the coaches of the Red River Rivalry.
Like most arguments here, it's somewhere in the middle. Texas is certainly an upgrade, and he'll have more resources and recruiting power, but it's probably not a HUGE leap. TTU isn't some lowly sclub of a program, but it isn't a household name, either.
Which is pretty much the angle I’m coming at this from.
TTU isn’t “some lowly sclub”, but it’s definitely not a basketball school and Beard had more success in the NCAA tournament than any other coach has had in the history of that program and I do think that counts for something.
I do disagree with you on one thing. I think Texas is a pretty huge leap up from TTU.
If we’re talking about replacements for Cal, Oats is at the top of that list IMO. Yeah, I know, Bama lost to UCLA in the S16 last season. However, had they hit their FTs at even a respectable clip, they win that game.
Yeah, I generally think he's a good, likely a great coach. I am curious to see what he does with Texas, which seems to chew coaches up. Certainly want to keep an eye on him for when Cal retires. But I do think he's been a bit of a letdown after that F4 run.
The unfortunate thing in comparing him and Cal, is that the COVID season actually helped Beard's image, while hurting Cal's. TTU was on the verge of missing the tournament.. they were projected between a 10-12 seed, and still needed to win their first conference game, otherwise they'd have finished with 5 losses in a row. Even if they still make the tournament, it was not a good season. Where as with us, we were looking at a 2 or 3 seed, coming in hot. COVID kinda bailed Beard/TTU out.
I think Beard is a great coach. If he proves himself at Texas, then I think down the road he could be a potentially good option for Uk when Cal hangs it up. I do t particularly like his style of play, but he is a good coach. As others have said, at Texas is where he has to truly prove himself. He doesn’t excel there he won’t be an option for Uk IMO.
Having said that, the statement that he has been better than Cal as of late is laughable. I don’t even know how that claim can be made. Cal had an abysmal season last year and is feeling the heat and criticism for that, as he should. But GMAFB with this Beard has been better than Cal crap. Guess that makes me a “Cal apologist”. So be it if that means I have to agree Beard has been better by any metric.
Having said that, the statement that he has been better than Cal as of late is laughable. I don’t even know how that claim can be made. Cal had an abysmal season last year and is feeling the heat and criticism for that, as he should. But GMAFB with this Beard has been better than Cal crap. Guess that makes me a “Cal apologist”. So be it if that means I have to agree Beard has been better by any metric.
9-16. It's in the record book forever. No matter how desperately the Calipari jock sniffers try, can't out run it. As they say in the Marines, embrace the suck.Jumped to your other account, I see. Not one person said it was the best group of one and dones, literally no one. Beard just had double digit losses this year too by the way, so your point is invalid.. lol
Cal just smacked Beard around in January, 2020. Lol
Since that blew up in your face, let’s hear the next one?? What else has ole double digit loss Beard done to outclass Cal?
He's an up and comer to keep an eye on, but if 13 of the 17 years you coach you don't even get to any post season tournaments, you aren’t "a hell of a coach" or really even that good. A good coach can usually run route on a lower conference pretty routinely.
I don’t know where you are getting they are considered a mid-major power now. Particularly since he left.
I’m not as bullish on the Loyola Chicago guy as I am Beard. But he also has a chance to prove himself now. Oklahoma is a pretty historically good basketball program. In comparison to many others, at least
Cal was the most absolutely slam dunk hire Kentucky has ever made, and is an unreasonable benchmark for hiring. Typically you have to take a little risk in hiring a coach. Oates at Alabama, Holtmann at OSU, and Beard at TT were good examples. Beard is fine. Nobody has said a word about the guy for like 5 months because it’s not that controversial a topic. He’s fine, he’s at Texas now, Calipari made a ton of offcourt changes in the post season, and we’re all excited for UK bball in a normal year. Thankfully one poster is back to post incessantly about certain topics and get people arguing again, so that’s great. Should be an awesome off-season!
Tim Cluess comes to mind when I think of a coach who dominates his conference. Before he fell ill, he basically had them as the best team in the MAAC for a decade. Regularly winning the conference and the tournament.
Beard followed up his NC game appearance with something like 36-24 in the past two years. I think he’s a good coach. But to act like he’s the second coming of Krzyzewski is ridiculous in my opinion.
I remember one thing quite clear about our game at TTU…Beards team flop like a fish out of water. I can’t get behind a coach whose team play defense like that. I would not like seeing that at UK.
Also after reading that I saw Kl094649473 liked a few post…where has that clown been at?
Everyone said Tubby was good enough for us prior to coming here but many are saying Beard is not.Who said Tubby was good enough for us? I didn't want him either. He was literally ran out of town, as was Gillespie.
Beard has just above a .500 record in Big 12 play.
I don’t remember it that way with Tubby. He wasn't even our first offer, IIRC. People were open to giving him a chance after the hiring, but that faded 3 or 4 years in. Had he not won the NC year 1 with Pitino's runner-up team, he would have been out much sooner than he was. If Tubby is the comparison for Beard at UK, that says all I need to hear.
There's actually two issues with the flopping style of coaching (if he does indeed teach this): the first, is that its wrong and ruins the integrity game. It's cheap. But tbh, that isn't the main issue with me. It's that Beard, nor anyone else, would be able to get away with it here. And on top of that, the rules could very well change to adopt the NBA's method of issuing warnings and fouls for flopping.. and that could come pretty soon.. So if a coach can no longer employ flopping, how does that affect the win loss column? Maybe not at all? Or maybe that coach got an extra win or two from it.
Agenda post if I’ve ever seen one. What was your handle before this one?
Tubby won the title with a roster he inherited. That much is true. But he did NOT win it with Pitino’s runner up team. I didn’t see Ron Mercer or Anthony Epps out there.
It looks like it will many at least several years before Cal leaves so someone new might emerge by that.I think he will do great at Texas but I'm not in love with his style of play.It will be interesting to see how Nate Oats continues to do at Bama.He seems to be able to really recruit and his style of play is fun to watch.It will depend on how far he can get his teams in the tourney for the next several years.No coach will ever be perfect.All will have faults but so does Cal.That's just life.
Beard's biggest challenge is going to be coaching elite talent. He started to get some and that 5 star guard Nimari Burnett left very quickly. There are things that come with this and I know Cal hasn't been perfect by any means but some of the things he/UK staff and programs who recruit elite players deal with are not known by guys who are at other programs and think "IF I go there, it'll be EASY". He'll find out and how quickly he can adjust will decide his fate. I love the get of Arterio Morris though-that guy is elite.
Marcus Carr coming in is also a response to how poorly Devin Askew looked at the USA 19U Tryout that Beard got him in for some reason. They realized that isn't cutting it. Personally I think Courtney Ramey sucks too--so they needed a better combo guard--but Carr is going to do Marcus Carr things no matter who the coach is...but this is one area Beard has excelled being the "last chance" guy who handles transfers.
Marcus Carr coming in is also a response to how poorly Devin Askew looked at the USA 19U Tryout that Beard got him in for some reason. They realized that isn't cutting it. Personally I think Courtney Ramey sucks too--so they needed a better combo guard--but Carr is going to do Marcus Carr things no matter who the coach is...but this is one area Beard has excelled being the "last chance" guy who handles transfers.
Oats reminds me a little of younger Pitino in terms of how he embraced style of play and built a system around it.
My counter to this, is that Tubby pretty much went downhill from there. And a more extreme example of this is Kevin Ollie (note: I'm not saying KO is on the level of Tubby). As time passed, with players from the past coach leaving and the team becoming more and more "theirs", the results suffered. That was rightfully Tubby's title, it's his, he was the coach. But it was still all of Pitino's players except for Heshimu Evans I believe.
I think for coaches like these (and there are others I'm forgetting) to break out of this designation.. they needed to succeed at another point in their tenure. Tubby kinddddaa did with a few high seeds, but those teams ultimately under-performed in the tournament. It's tough because everytime I review his work, he's really right in the middle for me. Had he won another Final4 or two, he's vindicated.. but if 2003 or 2005 were early round exits, it really shows he was riding the Pitino wave. Not bad, not great.
What's not true about it?
9 of the scholarship players were guys who played for Pitino. All 8 of leading players were Pitino guys. I guess since Saul Smith came it made all the difference.
Even Cal said it is a lot easier recruiting to Kentucky than most other schools therefore you will win a lot more. I believe Beard would do well here as long as he can handle the pressure that comes with the job.
Dude don’t be so impossible to have a conversation with. You said he won the championship with Pitino’s runner up team. That’s nonsense because Pitino’s runner up team had Anthony Epps and more importantly, Ron Mercer. I wouldn’t argue with you if you said Tubby won with Pitino’s players. That’s true. But he did NOT win it with Pitino’s runner up team. It was a much different team.What's not true about it?
9 of the scholarship players were guys who played for Pitino. All 8 of leading players were Pitino guys. I guess since Saul Smith came it made all the difference.