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I guess I just don’t get the logic.

You cannot take Texas tech to an overtime away from a national title, and follow that up with an earshot to another final four, if you’re not proving you belong in the elite class. Then he’s offered Texas, so I mean, does he really need a national title, 2 title games, 4 elite eights and more to be considered good enough for UK? He was a winner at a loser program. He needs Calipari’s 20 year resume to be considered?

Cal had 2 stripped final fours and many NIT appearances before landing the UK job. It is very arguable that what he’s done at Tech is as good or better than Cal before he arrived. Cal was begging for jobs when he returned to college and looking for guy like Larry Brown to open doors for him. Beard is about where he can hand pick his programs.

Tubby had never advanced past the sweet 16 before the UK job. Wouldn’t you say a title game (overtime from a title) and an elite 8 is better than that? Why play word games with it, it’s clearly better and he’s clearly more qualified for this job.

I’m okay with seeing how Beard does at Texas, we can’t predict the future after all. But if you read through this thread, some of it is absolutely ridiculous. Beard would be a fantastic hire for UK today, and I think you also think that deep down. Whether or not it would work doesn’t mean it would be a fantastic hire in this moment.
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If your point was valid, you wouldn't have to pull the "vacated final fours" card. You know damn well Chris Beard isn't more proven than John Calipari was in 2009. It isn't arguable. Stop.

He's a fine coach. He's around the top of the list to keep an eye on. He's at a place where we're going to find out how good he is or isn't. We don't need to hire him today, and you don't need to oversell him.

I'm sure there's some idiocy in this thread but I'm trying to do better about ignoring it because you can't change their minds. Maybe tomorrow I'll have less restraint and you can tag me in.
 
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GonzoCat90 said:
If your point was valid, you wouldn't have to pull the "vacated final fours" card. You know damn well Chris Beard isn't more proven than John Calipari was in 2009. It isn't arguable. Stop.

He's a fine coach. He's around the top of the list to keep an eye on. He's at a place where we're going to find out how good he is or isn't. We don't need to hire him today, and you don't need to oversell him.

I'm sure there's some idiocy in this thread but I'm trying to do better about ignoring it because you can't change their minds. Maybe tomorrow I'll have less restraint and you can tag me in.
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I said it’s arguable. The majority of Cals record in college has little to do with why he got the UK job. He got the UK job because of his relationships later on at Memphis. He was seen as a high risk / high reward hire that we needed to take a chance on. Cal was begging for jobs before he landed at Memphis, and this is well documented. He struggled at Memphis until the conference split up and he began to recruit at a high level in his last few years.

Beard has been just as far as Cal, and at a football program / doormat basketball program.

Tubby was not more qualified than Beard.

The point remains. Beard would be a good hire for UK in this moment and you wouldn’t find one credible college basketball mind to argue that.

I won’t argue the idiocy, this thread really brought them out.
 
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I reckon so. I’ve found myself agreeing with a lot of posts of his. Took me awhile to matchup posting styles. I mean I guess it’s morgous, right? If so, what happened to his other handle?
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ive knew it was morg since he quoted me and voiced his braves hate
 
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Myth Buster51 said:
09-16 with the "best" group of incoming one & dones? Just a thought...
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Jumped to your other account, I see. Not one person said it was the best group of one and dones, literally no one. Beard just had double digit losses this year too by the way, so your point is invalid.. lol

Cal just smacked Beard around in January, 2020. Lol

Since that blew up in your face, let’s hear the next one?? What else has ole double digit loss Beard done to outclass Cal? 😂
 
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Gromcat said:
Nah, just happened to see that because I thought at one point you were pretty high on him. You actually posted more than that, so you were very high in him.

Nobody is good enough for Kansas but not good enough for Kentucky. That option literally doesn’t exist. If you think someone can coach at Kansas, UNC, or Duke, then they could certainly coach at UK.

He’s as close to a sure thing of a hire as some we’ve ever gone after. So that really doesn’t make sense. He’s much more qualified than Tubby, Hall, and arguably Cal.

Saying you don’t want Kansas to hire him is quite the endorsement, but I get what you’re saying to a point. Although, you were very clear. You wanted Beard off the table for the Kansas job. I think that’s pretty self explanatory.
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He is not more qualified than Cal was, not even freaking close. That is a joke.

Again, Beard had one good tournament run, that's it.
 
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Beard has been the Lone Star Coach of the Year, the Sun Belt Coach of the Year, and 2x Big 12 Coach of the Year.

If you’re saying “he’s had one good year!” you just sound like a 12 year old trying to win an argument. He took TTU to Elite Eight, then the championship game the next year.

He’s had more than one good year and his resume looks nothing like BCGs, like some people here that don’t understand how to look at things with objectivity would suggest.
 
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STL_Cat said:
Beard has been the Lone Star Coach of the Year, the Sun Belt Coach of the Year, and 2x Big 12 Coach of the Year.

If you’re saying “he’s had one good year!” you just sound like a 12 year old trying to win an argument. He took TTU to Elite Eight, then the championship game the next year.

He’s had more than one good year and his resume looks nothing like BCGs, like some people here that don’t understand how to look at things with objectivity would suggest. He took a team with 3-15 record one year to the NCAA tournament the next year.
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Lol, Billy G was big 12 coach of the year twice and SEC coach of the year in 2008 at UK. And had four 20+ win seasons in a row. None of that made Billy G a good coach, particularly here. Beards record is very similar. If you want to run the program into the ground, hire Beard. If you want to be a dominant program going forward, hire someone much better. Also, after 5 seasons at TT, Beard is barely .500 in the big 12.
 
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Constantly getting into arguments? Posting 500 times a week? Obsessed with Beard? Overly negative about UK and Cal? Really long-winded posts where he keeps repeating the same thing over and over? Bizarrely personal comments about everyone? Did I mention posting 500 times a week? Yay Morg is back!! 🙄
 
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BigBlueChronic said:
Beards record is very similar. If you want to run the program into the ground, hire Beard.
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Look, I’m not a “Beard or Bust” post-Cal guy. But there’s absolutely no reason to believe Chris Beard would “run the program into the ground.”

We’ll see how he does at Texas. That’s the good thing here for Beard (comparing him to BCG at least). He is taking one more step up before making the leap to a pressure cooker situation in a blue blood.
 
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No one is saying Beard is a bad coach, he’s decent. He’s just not good enough to coach at Kentucky. BCG had double digit losses the 2 years he was here and was fired. Beard has had double digit losses 4 out of the past 5 years. He would be fired in less than 3 years here.
 
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STL_Cat said:
Look, I’m not a “Beard or Bust” post-Cal guy. But there’s absolutely no reason to believe Chris Beard would “run the program into the ground.”

We’ll see how he does at Texas. That’s the good thing here for Beard (comparing him to BCG at least). He is taking one more step up before making the leap to a pressure cooker situation in a blue blood.
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Sure there is! He has done nothing to show he wouldn't. His record is eerily similar to our last coach who made us a laughing stock for 2 seasons.

Luckily for us TX seems to like him and has a lot of money to keep him there. We can and should do much better than that option.
 
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BigBlueFan19 said:
No one is saying Beard is a bad coach, he’s decent. He’s just not good enough to coach at Kentucky. BCG had double digit losses the 2 years he was here and was fired. Beard has had double digit losses 4 out of the past 5 years. He would be fired in less than 3 years here.
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I just think you’re being a typical “message board guy”. No way to know what you’re saying is true.
 
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BigBlueFan19 said:
No one is saying Beard is a bad coach, he’s decent. He’s just not good enough to coach at Kentucky. BCG had double digit losses the 2 years he was here and was fired. Beard has had double digit losses 4 out of the past 5 years. He would be fired in less than 3 years here.
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Hell, they had 10 losses the year he took them to the elite 8, and 7 losses the year he lost in the final. Our fans freak after 1 loss.
 
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BigBlueChronic said:
Sure there is! He has done nothing to show he wouldn't. His record is eerily similar to our last coach who made us a laughing stock for 2 seasons.

Luckily for us TX seems to like him and has a lot of money to keep him there. We can and should do much better than that option.
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I think what’s happening by here is BCG has scarred you all for life. That dude was a college train wreck so you think there’s a lot more train wrecks out there. There’s just no reason to say he’d run our program into the ground. None. Aside from taking what Billy the drunk did and assuming Beard is anything like him. Which I have no reason to believe is true.

But yes, again, we get to watch what he does at Texas from a distance and then we can revisit this.
 
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I think what’s happening by here is BCG has scarred you all for life. That dude was a college train wreck so you think there’s a lot more train wrecks out there. There’s just no reason to say he’d run our program into the ground. None. Aside from taking what Billy the drunk did and assuming Beard is anything like him. Which I have no reason to believe is true.

But yes, again, we get to watch what he does at Texas from a distance and then we can revisit this.
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They both seem to lose double digit games every season, there’s a similarity for ya.
 
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One more comment on these Beard and BCG comps —

BCG has never once as a coach taken a team past the Sweet 16. That’s as far as he’s gotten and he’s done it once.

Beard has taken his team further than BCG ever did in 2 of the last 3 tournaments. With a National Runner-Up on his resume.

They’re not the same.
 
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STL_Cat said:
I think what’s happening by here is BCG has scarred you all for life. That dude was a college train wreck so you think there’s a lot more train wrecks out there. There’s just no reason to say he’d run our program into the ground. None. Aside from taking what Billy the drunk did and assuming Beard is anything like him. Which I have no reason to believe is true.

But yes, again, we get to watch what he does at Texas from a distance and then we can revisit this.
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Not at all, but I think people like you are caught up in things like 1 E8 finish and a runner-up finish as some major accomplishments. Hell, Loyala Chicago accomplished just as much in the same span. I wouldn't hire their coach either. As has Scott Drew at Baylor in the last 2 seasons, but I honestly wouldn't want to hire him either. It took the man 18 years at Baylor to get to a final 4 and he has never won the big 12 tournament in 18 tries either.

Beard just hasn't come close to proving he could thrive here. Hell, 4 out of 5 seasons, including his E8 team, had double digit losses. He has never won the big 12 tournament, he is close to having a losing big 12 record. That's not a resume of someone UK basketball should be looking at.
 
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BigBlueChronic said:
Not at all, but I think people like you are caught up in things like 1 E8 finish and a runner-up finish as some major accomplishments. Hell, Loyala Chicago accomplished just as much in the same span. I wouldn't hire their coach either.

Beard just hasn't come close to proving he could thrive here. Hell, 4 out of 5 seasons, including his E8 team, had double digit losses. He has never won the big 12 tournament, he is close to having a losing big 12 record. That's not a resume of someone UK basketball should be looking at.
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Actually Loyola Chicago has a hell of a coach.
 
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BigBlueChronic said:
Not at all, but I think people like you are caught up in things like 1 E8 finish and a runner-up finish as some major accomplishments. Hell, Loyala Chicago accomplished just as much in the same span. I wouldn't hire their coach either.

Beard just hasn't come close to proving he could thrive here. Hell, 4 out of 5 seasons, including his E8 team, had double digit losses. He has never won the big 12 tournament, he is close to having a losing big 12 record. That's not a resume of someone UK basketball should be looking at.
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That’s where you’re wrong. I’m not “caught up in” anything. I think he’s a fantastic up and coming coach. He’s shown it. TTU is NOT an easy place to win and he pulled it off. Again, we’ll see how he goes in Texas.

I’m being much more level headed about this than a couple of you guys. But I know level headed doesn’t play on message boards where everyone is trying to be Skip Bayless
 
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This argument about Beard in irrelevant. He’s absolutely NOT leaving his alma mater to come coach here. He has unlimited resources, new facilities, the Longhorn network, a great talent pool just in the state of Texas alone in which to recruit, etc. He won’t come to UK.
 
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STL_Cat said:
That’s where you’re wrong. I’m not “caught up in” anything. I think he’s a fantastic up and coming coach. He’s shown it. TTU is NOT an easy place to win and he pulled it off. Again, we’ll see how he goes in Texas.

I’m being much more level headed about this than a couple of you guys. But I know level headed doesn’t play on message boards where everyone is trying to be Skip Bayless
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He is a good coach. However, I HATE his style of play. He is gonna kill it at Texas, though.
 
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Cowtown Cat said:
He is a good coach. However, I HATE his style of play. He is gonna kill it at Texas, though.
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Right. And I hope no one here gets it twisted. I’m not clamoring for us to fire Cal and go get Beard. But man we have some fans that just have no idea to be complimentary toward anyone that’s not wearing a UK logo. It’s silly.
 
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Cowtown Cat said:
Actually Loyola Chicago has a hell of a coach.
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He is good for them, or was rather. He has coached 17 years and took a team to the NCAA tournament twice. He made the NIT once and CBI once. So, the other 13 seasons he made no post season tournaments. What exactly makes him a "hell of a coach"?

Cowtown Cat said:
This argument about Beard in irrelevant. He’s absolutely NOT leaving his alma mater to come coach here. He has unlimited resources, new facilities, the Longhorn network, a great talent pool just in the state of Texas alone in which to recruit, etc. He won’t come to UK.
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Thank God!

STL_Cat said:
That’s where you’re wrong. I’m not “caught up in” anything. I think he’s a fantastic up and coming coach. He’s shown it. TTU is NOT an easy place to win and he pulled it off. Again, we’ll see how he goes in Texas.

I’m being much more level headed about this than a couple of you guys. But I know level headed doesn’t play on message boards where everyone is trying to be Skip Bayless
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You seem pretty caught up in it. You're literally ignoring facts about his overall record based on those 2 seasons alone. TT is in the big 12, in a talent rich state and has ample resources. It's not that hard to win there if you know how.

Clearly you must have an odd interpretation of the meaning of level-headed.
 
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