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That’s a bad take. Schools will dangle all kinds of opportunities to make money in front of high school kids faces to get them to commit. “Steve over there at the Ford dealership is an alum. He’s been known to pay guys 20 grand to appear in a commercial and do autograph sessions.”
This is exactly the sort of ignorance that will make this fraught with a level of corruption not seen since the days of gambling influence and mob involvement. You are doing nothing more than rationalization of professional college sports. They have options to get paid. They are compensated in college already with room, meals and an education.
There is no ethical or moral underpinning for this. The hand wringing that this will somehow dilute the ranks of college basketball is simply crap. The kids in question here are the same one and done players that are itching to leave anyway. We have fans crying about these player’s already.
There is a comedy here. Wait till the Title IX cadre get their mitts into this. It won’t be the most athletic women, but the most beautiful that are marketable. Talk about corruption and a recipe for abuse. International gymnastics and swimming are already reeling from this.
This is the single worst idea in the history of college athletics. It will end the game you know today. It will be replaced by a substandard G-League full of corruption. This league’s players will be 10 fold more focused on payment than playing. Utter stupIdity, but typical of the corrupt and incompetent NCAA.
Profit? There probably weren’t a dozen athletic departments in the country operating at a profit pre-Covid. I doubt there’s any now.
Oh I’m not naive at all. I know this stuff will happen. As a matter of fact I think Kentucky will benefit and that’s appealing to me. They will write the rules in a way that will hopefully prevent schools from outright buying players. After that it will be the Wild West
My main argument is that I don’t like an institution telling its members they can’t make a living.
ESPN had an article last week (can't find it now) about the immigration law issues associated with foreign players and NIL. Basically, a foreign student here on a student (F-1) visa cannot earn income unless its through on campus part-time work (i.e., working at the school bookstore or cafeteria). This means that foreign players cannot make money through NIL and maintain their student visa.
The ESPN article portrayed this is an issue that no one (NCAA, various state legislatures that have passed NIL laws, etc.) had considered. Federal immigration law would have to be amended to fix this.
To me, this shows the lack of foresight with NIL. As some have pointed out in this thread, you're going to have all sorts of people pushing the envelope to use NIL to buy players in ways that the idealistic people who pushed this rule change did not consider.
The ESPN article portrayed this is an issue that no one (NCAA, various state legislatures that have passed NIL laws, etc.) had considered. Federal immigration law would have to be amended to fix this.
To me, this shows the lack of foresight with NIL. As some have pointed out in this thread, you're going to have all sorts of people pushing the envelope to use NIL to buy players in ways that the idealistic people who pushed this rule change did not consider.
Well my point was that it will help negate Kentucky being a poor state. It levels the financial playing field so to speak not to mention that most states with bigger metropolitan areas in the states with more money involved have more than 2 power five schools and multiple pro teams to spread that money around. By your handle I am assuming you live in Georgia now. A kid going to Georgia will have to compete not only with kids going to Georgia Tech but with the Falcons, Hawks and Braves.
I disagree this isn't like it was last time kids could go directly to the NBA. There will be more and more paying options that come along more and more money available. As the talent level lowers so will casual viewership and college basketball will start to look less and less attractive to players, but if you are cool with the talent level being down then you have a right to that opinion.
This is why I think Miami would be a poor choice for Duren. College basketball in Miami is waaaay down the list. Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins plus Hurricanes, Gators, and Seminoles football all outrank Hurricanes basketball. Heck, Gators and Seminoles basketball probably outranks Hurricanes basketball. Maybe even college baseball and minor league baseball are more popular than Canes basketball.
I understand your point. Georgia Tech has almost zero following here. UGA will really benefit from NIL.
I'm not convinced that any other pro league will have decent viewership. No one watches the G League now and it has direct NBA support and connections. Even fewer people will watch the other fad leagues that pop up then disappear.
I agree! I think the whole reclass thing is to be able to enter the draft a year earlier it makes perfect sense better to play college ball them to play another season to high school ball. I do understand that Miami hired someone he is close to but if this is all business then Uk does make more sense.
Does minor league baseball have decent viewership? We could eventually see basketball evolve into a class system of minor league where there is 1 to 3A leagues to pilfer high school players. We could see the foreign pros get more aggressive. To be honest my friend I don't like it either I hate that it is messing with the purity of the sport. I just see the direction that it is headed in my opinion. I truly hope I am wrong.
And what no one seems to be talking about is Title IX.
You think there's fussing in the country today about so called unequal pay.....just wait until the women's swim team or equestrian team realizes practically no one really cares about their sport in that they're not going to pony up big bucks for their images.
The other issue this is going to cause is resentment on the team. Which kid isn't going to try and play above himself to keep his name on the billboard or car commercial?
Or....what if the car dealer or whoever says to the kid....I'll pay you $$$ to only score x number of points......don't think it won't happen.
Now think about coaching these kids. Kid's getting $500k for use of his likeness.....is he really going to listen to the coach?? I see it the attitude in the pros.....it's going to cause problems.
How much does it cost to run a program?
An athletic department? The women's sports that don't make a dime for the school....same for the men's that don't.
It's football and men's basketball that pays the bills.
No kid in sports is going hungry. NO way.
IF a school "throws" away players as you suggest, don't you think that'll come up in recruiting?? Go to such and such school, get hurt and your toast?
I listen to a lot of sports radio. Not ONCE have I heard any former player complaining about going hungry.
Can you imagine the entitlement of players 5-10 years from now? You think these dudes are head-cases now just wait.
NBA going to have 10 different drama channels committed to it.
NBA going to have 10 different drama channels committed to it.
No one is talking about Title IX because it doesn’t violate it. As long as all athletes are given equal opportunity with NIL, then it’s fine. And they will be given equal opportunity.
I think this whole thing is going to open up a can of worms.
Equal opportunity is never going to be a thing in a ‘victims’ society. And unfortunately that is where we are today.
No, not really, it doesn't. A and AA salaries are terrible and the average AAA isn't good. These basketball kids are expecting much more in general. Not to mention the MLB association helps the minor leagues with fans and salary support. The G League is roughly similar but any other leagues that pop up will just die in a couple years. Just my opinion.
But it doesn’t violate Title IX. So, while some might complain, it doesn’t matter because it’s not a Title IX issue. In fact, the ones that are going to make the most are attractive female athletes we have never heard of with tons of followers on social media.
I don't think Title IX is the explicit issue. Its the thought process that led to Title IX that will come to play again. At some point, inequality and entitlement will enter this situation.
You'd be surprised. Especially in your bigger football programs and basketball guys are afraid to speak up because of how influential the coach and school is to there future. People can believe or not, but it came from a top player at another school
Title IX was developed to prevent discrimination based on ones sex for any education program or school that receives federal funding. I would disagree that it’s a bad thought process. And I still don’t think that “thought process” will come into play here. It doesn’t come into play in professional sports for advertising and endorsements.
The feds are involved. Of course that ideology will become involved and of course it it will make thing even worse..
We will disagree on this one. 18 states have already signed the NIL into law and none of them have anything about Title IX or making sure that female athletes make as much money as male athletes. None of it. Even California. All it states is that college athletes have the right to earn money from their name, image and likeness.
And the Feds had to get involved because the damn NCAA drug their feet hoping this would just go away. Had they been proactive instead of reactive, we wouldn't be in this mess.
I remember this about you. The words foresight and extrapolate are lost on you. These effects don’t happen day 1. These things develop over time. Everyone will want a slice of the pie. They will cheat and legislate to get it.
I have been a UK fan for 50 years now and a season ticket holder for 27 - I am not going to stop being a fan BUT i dont have to like some of this stuff and I dont.
I agree with everything you said. I guess I am just mourning the old days OR the perception of the old days.
Emmerts letter to member schools is the end of amateur sports. The flood gates are open. The beginning of the end is here.