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[Bluedog1]

Thoughts on any of this from you all? I am just reacting to this like an old geyser I know. But i am an old geyser that has spent a lot of money on this program over the years and feel like I am entitled to an opinion. I DONT LIKE IT--- I DONT LIKE IT -- I guess I liked my fantasy image that kids came to school to get an education, go to sunday school (ha ha), help out kids at the hospital and play for the Big Blue. I have always known that of course that wasnt reality but I always liked to think at the end of the day these kids are amateur's and played for something more than $$. I get it, and I know why its happening, I just long for days when I actually think there was a little more team spirit involved instead of only "whats in it for me". Now its " I gotta get mine and get it now", and as a coach myself I see it at even the lowest levels of high school basketball. I know the flip side " kids make millions for the university and get little in return" , " the non revenue sports get paid off of the revenue sports" etc.. etc. .I get it and I understand why it has come to this.. but I dont have to like it (and btw stay off my LAWN) HA

Thoughts for and against and why?

 

[Tubbyfan78]

I want it to be the way you describe too but reality is that’s not fair to the athletes. Do you go to work for team spirit or because of the pay? If you make your company a pile of money aren’t you eventually going to ask for some? The bottom line is if someone is making money then the people who earn it deserve a cut. This isn’t Cuba or the Soviet Union. No one is entitled to the products or services of someone else for free or without open market pressure. I’m with you though, I long for the days they played for the love of the game. Even if I’m wrong to want that.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

Things started going down hill in college basketball when they eliminated the jump ball after every made basket. Why should a team be penalized for making a basket? Why just give the ball to the other team, uncontested?

It has just gotten worse since then, and I don't expect that to change.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

Yeah I can't wait to root for guys who got the best offer to do commercials for local car dealerships

 

[Yardeth]

Yeah I can't wait to root for guys who got the best offer to do commercials for local car dealerships

Bad part is we will still root for them regardless of money they make.

 

[Anon1658882690]

I'm almost 50 and anything I do I start thinking,, can money be made.. So if they can make some money,, go for it..

 

[Bluedog1]

I want it to be the way you describe too but reality is that’s not fair to the athletes. Do you go to work for team spirit or because of the pay? If you make your company a pile of money aren’t you eventually going to ask for some? The bottom line is if someone is making money then the people who earn it deserve a cut. This isn’t Cuba or the Soviet Union. No one is entitled to the products or services of someone else for free or without open market pressure. I’m with you though, I long for the days they played for the love of the game. Even if I’m wrong to want that.

I get it I really do. I just expect them to make their money, or the bulk of it after the get out of college. Whether than be a one and done going pro, or staying and earning a degree or leaving early and doing something else- NOT while they are in school. Again I get the reasons why and its gonna happen. I just dont have to like it.

 

[Backer cutter]

Bad part is we will still root for them regardless of money they make.

Don’t bet on it

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

This is an old geyser...

 

[Blueblood410]

Why do I imagine there's a huge overlap of the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" and "I don't like these kids making money" groups

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

I too obsess over how much money other people make.

Here's a tip if you don't like NIL. Ignore it. The impact anyone on this board will feel the day Jalen Duren is able to sign a $1M Nike deal out of high school is absolutely zero, nada, not one thing.

There is no reason whatsoever that everyone involved in college sports can make money off of it, except for the athletes.

 

[420grover]

Is there anything else in this country that makes a profit and the people who actually do the job don't make any money? Also, if they're not getting a paycheck from the school or the NCAA then they're still amateurs.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

I want it to be the way you describe too but reality is that’s not fair to the athletes. Do you go to work for team spirit or because of the pay? If you make your company a pile of money aren’t you eventually going to ask for some? The bottom line is if someone is making money then the people who earn it deserve a cut. This isn’t Cuba or the Soviet Union. No one is entitled to the products or services of someone else for free or without open market pressure. I’m with you though, I long for the days they played for the love of the game. Even if I’m wrong to want that.

They are paid, they get an education, free room and board, excellent medical care and a stipend to live off because their responsibilities as an athlete prevent them from getting a regular job like many college students do. The rest of the revenue generated goes back into the school, mainly to support the 95% of sports that operate at a loss. But we don't feel those sports should be disbanded at the collegiate level, because we recognize the value that they bring beyond money. The only people getting rich are the coaches, and they deserve it. There's no CEO of college sports giving himself bonuses or whatever.

And that's not even the issue at hand, it's whether to allow athletes to seek out endorsements and other revenue streams based on their status as a student athlete. In theory, this seems fine, but it should only take you a few seconds to realize the absolute pandora's box of issues this would cause. From day 1, boosters are now directly paying players and recruits. Money is now the sole reason almost any highly regarded football or basketball player picks a school. As the NCAA had pointed out, this strikes at the heart of what makes college sports enjoyable for many fans. This may seem "unfair", but no one is required to play college sports.

 

[fs-ripcord65]

This is an old geyser...

Yep. I wondered when someone would make that point.

 

[JwUKFan11]

It’s contradictory to say you get it but you also wish it wasn’t happening. There isn’t another way to fairly great student athletes. No other student isn’t allowed to make money off themselves or they lose their spot.

 

[UK-Chulo]

From day 1, boosters are now directly paying players and recruits. Money is now the sole reason almost any highly regarded football or basketball player picks a school. As the NCAA had pointed out, this strikes at the heart of what makes college sports enjoyable for many fans. This may seem "unfair", but no one is required to play college sports.

College fans enjoy the illusion of the amateur athlete. These players have been getting paid by boosters for decades. Yes, even at UK.

 

[kygrandpa]

College BB or any kind of BB is a game.. It's not a job until you become a paid professional.. The key word is "paid".. That mean they are considered professional's not amateur's..
I don't like the way the game has been going the last few year's.. It's not fun to watch any more now that everyone want's money to play a damn game.. What is wrong with the way it used to be????
If they want to be paid let them go straight out of high school and be just another literate stooge running around.. I don't watch the pro's any longer either, they are impossible to watch now.. Bunch of cry baby's running around on the floor..

Football is starting to look that way now also.. WOW, why can't we just have games played the right way and leave all the other crap out of it..


GBB

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

College fans enjoy the illusion of the amateur athlete. These players have been getting paid by boosters for decades. Yes, even at UK.

This is an irrelevant and untrue argument. There are certainly guys who get money under the table, either from the school/boosters or shoe companies, agents, etc. It's not nearly as widespread as you think it is, nor as it would be if you made it legal. It's against NCAA rules for a reason, and while I think there are many adjustments that could be made to alleviate concerns ( bigger stipend, allowing schools to pay for family to travel to games, etc) a complete open market is a killer for college sports.

 

[Canned Heat]

Money has been given for years, decades. This just puts it out in the open. Some schools will suffer. But I have no issue with a player making some money especially now that it will be out in the open. Some kids will be able to profit off their talent even though they may not be future pros; imagine a fan favorite Kentucky kid. That’s what I like about it.

 

[420grover]

If someone gets 100k to do a commercial, that makes them a professional actor, not a professional athlete.

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

Money has been given for years, decades. This just puts it out in the open. Some schools will suffer. But I have no issue with a player making some money especially now that it will be out in the open. Some kids will be able to profit off their talent even though they may not be future pros; imagine a fan favorite Kentucky kid. That’s what I like about it.

Imagine if all of our fringe draftees decide to stick around because UK endorsement money is better than playing in the G-league. We could get extra years out of Dakari Johnson, Isaiah Briscoe, Doron Lamb, Harrison twins, Nick Richards, Isaac Humphries, etc.

 

[onearmedjesus]

I was a Theatre major for my undergrad. If I wanted to act for money (or do voice-overs) during the school year or during the summer, which I did, I could. If our players want to play pro-ball during the off-season or use their athletic prowess to earn bucks during the school year, they should. I learned a craft during classes AND doing professional work. If we want a free-market economy, we can't let it only be for the haves.

 

[sk73]

Don’t bet on it

yes.

 

[420grover]

Here's a question for the "they get paid a scholarship" crowd. Since walk-ons aren't getting paid, they are actually paying to be there, would you be ok with them being able to get paid for a commercial?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

If someone gets 100k to do a commercial, that makes them a professional actor, not a professional athlete.

Really? Were they given that 100K because of their acting skills or athletic skills? I wont even mention the fact that the only guys who will earn real money are program changers, again, paid for their on field abilities, not their acting abilities. Don't be so naive.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

Here's a question for the "they get paid a scholarship" crowd. Since walk-ons aren't getting paid, they are actually paying to be there, would you be ok with them being able to get paid for a commercial?

They're paying for college, their time spent on their sport is essentially volunteer work in their own free time, time they could be using to work and earn money. So no, as a voluntary student athlete they should be subject to the same rules as the scholarship players. And I'm pretty sure 100% of guys who ever walked on at UK were ok with the arrangement.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

Could the team do commercials for car dealerships,law firms,Meow mix ?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Inters

Here's a question for the "they get paid a scholarship" crowd. Since walk-ons aren't getting paid, they are actually paying to be there, would you be ok with them being able to get paid for a commercial?

Interesting question. No, but only because the scholarship players can't earn money. This isn't about wanting to keep kids from earning money, this is about recruiting fairness and now, the free agent arena created by the idiotic transfer rule. We will soon "fair" ourselves out of an important hobby, college sports. When that apathy happens, the players will lose too. It is inevitable.

 

[IFerg1969]

I too obsess over how much money other people make.

Here's a tip if you don't like NIL. Ignore it. The impact anyone on this board will feel the day Jalen Duren is able to sign a $1M Nike deal out of high school is absolutely zero, nada, not one thing.

There is no reason whatsoever that everyone involved in college sports can make money off of it, except for the athletes.

I can ignore it until said player starts putting his NIL rights above the team, and that will happen eventually. "I can't make practice today coach, I've got a commercial to shoot for XYZ company." Are these kids even going to bother with school anymore or will that charade end at some point as well?

 

[nssdigitalchumps]

They are paid, they get an education, free room and board, excellent medical care and a stipend to live off because their responsibilities as an athlete prevent them from getting a regular job like many college students do. The rest of the revenue generated goes back into the school, mainly to support the 95% of sports that operate at a loss. But we don't feel those sports should be disbanded at the collegiate level, because we recognize the value that they bring beyond money. The only people getting rich are the coaches, and they deserve it. There's no CEO of college sports giving himself bonuses or whatever.

And that's not even the issue at hand, it's whether to allow athletes to seek out endorsements and other revenue streams based on their status as a student athlete. In theory, this seems fine, but it should only take you a few seconds to realize the absolute pandora's box of issues this would cause. From day 1, boosters are now directly paying players and recruits. Money is now the sole reason almost any highly regarded football or basketball player picks a school. As the NCAA had pointed out, this strikes at the heart of what makes college sports enjoyable for many fans. This may seem "unfair", but no one is required to play college sports.

A non-profit organization that makes billions is pleading to amateurs not to start off careers during college?

 

[420grover]

Inters

Interesting question. No, but only because the scholarship players can't earn money. This isn't about wanting to keep kids from earning money, this is about recruiting fairness and now, the free agent arena created by the idiotic transfer rule. We will soon "fair" ourselves out of an important hobby, college sports. When that apathy happens, the players will lose too. It is inevitable.

I think that is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[IFerg1969]

If someone gets 100k to do a commercial, that makes them a professional actor, not a professional athlete.

Yes, but they're not getting the commercial opportunity because they are great actors, they're getting them because of their status an athlete.

 

[420grover]

https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/college-sports-inc/60ba68bb938b5d368a5edcd2

Y'all should watch this.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I think that is absolutely ridiculous.

You're welcome to your opinion.

 

[420grover]

You're welcome to your opinion.

Yep, and more people have my opinion than yours and soon there will be college players able to be paid.

 

[Tubbyfan78]

They are paid, they get an education, free room and board, excellent medical care and a stipend to live off because their responsibilities as an athlete prevent them from getting a regular job like many college students do. The rest of the revenue generated goes back into the school, mainly to support the 95% of sports that operate at a loss. But we don't feel those sports should be disbanded at the collegiate level, because we recognize the value that they bring beyond money. The only people getting rich are the coaches, and they deserve it. There's no CEO of college sports giving himself bonuses or whatever.

And that's not even the issue at hand, it's whether to allow athletes to seek out endorsements and other revenue streams based on their status as a student athlete. In theory, this seems fine, but it should only take you a few seconds to realize the absolute pandora's box of issues this would cause. From day 1, boosters are now directly paying players and recruits. Money is now the sole reason almost any highly regarded football or basketball player picks a school. As the NCAA had pointed out, this strikes at the heart of what makes college sports enjoyable for many fans. This may seem "unfair", but no one is required to play college sports.

Everyone of your points is nonsense. That's not getting paid, that's being indentured. Where the employer completely controls the income and how it's dispersed. And you're right A lot goes back into the school, that's called socialism and last I checked everyone is against that. However, no one is saying the school shouldn't get money, it shouldn't get 95%. And you're wrong about people not getting paid big bucks. Where do you think the President, athletic director, the business owner who does renovations on the stadium, the ceo of the company who provides the refreshments gets all their money? Lots of people are getting rich. Just not the people who earn the money.

As for your slippery slope, that's just ridiculous. That's what capitalism is; people pay for what they want and you charge what you can get. Why do you hate capitalism so much when it's college basketball players? look, I get it, you want purity. I want the same thing but the NCAA ruined all that by making it about money. And you're right, no one is required to play college sports just like none of us is required to go to work. When we do though, we expect to be paid wage according to what the market dictates. The market isn't dictating the wage for college athletes. The governing body is, which is the same as socialism. Unless you are pro socialism or can explain to me how this isn't socialism, than your argument is completely invalid.

 

[Tubbyfan78]

I get it I really do. I just expect them to make their money, or the bulk of it after the get out of college. Whether than be a one and done going pro, or staying and earning a degree or leaving early and doing something else- NOT while they are in school. Again I get the reasons why and its gonna happen. I just dont have to like it.

It's completely fair to say you don't like, I don't either. I also acknowledge it's fair that they do get paid. I wish it was still kids playing for the love of the game but sports is a business now. It just is.

 

[IFerg1969]

Everyone of your points is nonsense. That's not getting paid, that's being indentured. Where the employer completely controls the income and how it's dispersed. And you're right A lot goes back into the school, that's called socialism and last I checked everyone is against that. However, no one is saying the school shouldn't get money, it shouldn't get 95%. And you're wrong about people not getting paid big bucks. Where do you think the President, athletic director, the business owner who does renovations on the stadium, the ceo of the company who provides the refreshments gets all their money? Lots of people are getting rich. Just not the people who earn the money.

As for your slippery slope, that's just ridiculous. That's what capitalism is; people pay for what they want and you charge what you can get. Why do you hate capitalism so much when it's college basketball players? look, I get it, you want purity. I want the same thing but the NCAA ruined all that by making it about money. And you're right, no one is required to play college sports just like none of us is required to go to work. When we do though, we expect to be paid wage according to what the market dictates. The market isn't dictating the wage for college athletes. The governing body is, which is the same as socialism. Unless you are pro socialism or can explain to me how this isn't socialism, than your argument is completely invalid.

Really, now we're comparing college sports to slavery? WTF? Besides that, at most we're talking about 1 or 2 years of a kids' life when it comes to UK. Some of you act like these kids are being put in shackles for the next 50 years, ridiculous. There's a transition from being unemployable to gaining skills and knowledge to being able to apply them in the real world and make money that literally everyone has to go through. If all they care about is money, they need to skip college entirely. There's the G League, overseas, the new Overtime league, the NBA, get a sex change and play in the WNBA. There are plenty of options for them to make money if they have no desire to play in college. No one is forcing anyone to play college sports.

Having said that, I'm not opposed to NIL. But if we leave things up to the NCAA to govern it, I think we can all agree that it will be done in the worst way possible.

 

[Ky_Bred_Cat]

Major college sports and amaturism is a ruse, a lie that has been perpetuated for decades. Y'all can go back and forth all day long about NIL but it doesn't matter cause it's just yet another symptom of a broken, dysfunctional and indefensible model that's been staring us in the face for a long, long time.

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Really, now we're comparing college sports to slavery? WTF? Besides that, at most we're talking about 1 or 2 years of a kids' life when it comes to UK. Some of you act like these kids are being put in shackles for the next 50 years, ridiculous. There's a transition from being unemployable to gaining skills and knowledge to being able to apply them in the real world and make money that literally everyone has to go through. If all they care about is money, they need to skip college entirely. There's the G League, overseas, the new Overtime league, the NBA, get a sex change and play in the WNBA. There are plenty of options for them to make money if they have no desire to play in college. No one is forcing anyone to play college sports.

Having said that, I'm not opposed to NIL. But if we leave things up to the NCAA to govern it, I think we can all agree that it will be done in the worst way possible.

Move to Cuba dude. Apparently capitalism isn’t your thing.