Yet Another UNC/NCAA Post

[jedwar]

This amended NOA is beyond asinine. Men's BB not even mentioned. Many knew it was coming. If other schools want a fair shake, they need to take action.

First, don't schedule UNC in anything. This would be difficult for ACC teams, but perhaps band together for a boycott.

Second, the NCAA is beyond incompetent and too arbitrary. Time for schools to break away. No one governs the NCAA and they are running amok with ridiculous decisions at times and no decisions when they are needed and warranted. Break away and form a new governing body to keep college athletics in check.

 

[EastKYWildcat]

Until the NCAA as we know it is gone, I can't support this anymore. I'll always keep up with UK and watch our games, but I'm done with all college sports otherwise. UNC*** is not the only party to blame here. The NCAA has constructed a culture that encourages schools to take advantage of primarily young black kids by grinding them for all they're worth financially and subsidizing the rich kid sports like lacrosse. All with their thinly-veiled notion of amateurism. Their justification that they provide said black students with an education has now been shown to be unarguably false. They keep doing it because we keep watching.

From now on, I'll only be as hypocritically complicit as my UK fandom will allow.

 

[jrpross_rivals]

Cop: "you're under arrest for burglary, trespassing, and assault."

Criminal: "I also sped on my way here."

Cop: "Aright here's a speeding ticket. Don't worry about the other stuff. Have a nice day."


It's that. Freaking. Stupid.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

The time is now to smother the NCAA with a pillow - if it's not killed now, it never will be.

Runaway train of corruption needs to be shut the eff down!

 

[DelkBowl]

This amended NOA is beyond asinine. Men's BB not even mentioned. Many knew it was coming. If other schools want a fair shake, they need to take action.

First, don't schedule UNC in anything. This would be difficult for ACC teams, but perhaps band together for a boycott.

Second, the NCAA is beyond incompetent and too arbitrary. Time for schools to break away. No one governs the NCAA and they are running amok with ridiculous decisions at times and no decisions when they are needed and warranted. Break away and form a new governing body to keep college athletics in check.

I think you're taking the wrong approach. I say all schools should make fraud classes for students so ALL student athletes will always be elegible. The NCAA can't come down on anyone for this.

 

[UofKBlue]

How will SMU react to this? That's what I want to know. Will they go after the NCAA?

The NCAA has said basically from the beginning that "this is an academic issue and not athletics". Well, so was the Derrick Rose fiasco. So was what happened at SMU. So was what happened at Syracuse. Penn State and Joe Paterno weren't an athletic issue, either. Didn't stop the NCAA from doing something to them.

So, while we as UK supporters are upset, can you imagine what's going through the minds of Memphis, SMU, Syracuse, and Penn State? Will any of these institutions step up and try to tackle the giant?

 

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[VikingCat21]

I think you're taking the wrong approach. I say all schools should make fraud classes for students so ALL student athletes will always be elegible. The NCAA can't come down on anyone for this.

The NCAA just passed new rules that are meant to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the future. They denied that the UNC scandal had anything to do with them passing the new rules and that they had been years in the making. So they are essentially saying "UNC will not be punished, but if this happens again it will be a violation."

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

The NCAA just passed new rules that are meant to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the future. They denied that the UNC scandal had anything to do with them passing the new rules and that they had been years in the making. So they are essentially saying "UNC will not be punished, but if this happens again it will be a violation."

Of which they'll never be able to enforce. Any school that is ping this will just basically give the finger to the NCAA and carry on.

The NCAA will do nothing

 

[TheDude1]

I defended the NCAA a lot.

But holy hell. If I were Cal, I would fly to Indy, walk up the front door, drop trou, and take a steaming **** right on their carpet. I would then fly home and hold a 500 win celebration every night for the next year, all while dancing with D.Rose while a confetti that is a mixture of SAT papers with perfect scores on them and hundred dollar bills rained down on me.

 

[hotelblue]

unc hasn't gotten away with anything. they got caught. whether or not governing retards who make decisions based on money in fact punish them for what they deserve doesn't matter. things are worse for them if they are not punished.

 

[UofKBlue]

Another question I have is this: the NCAA basically says that if they offered these fake classes to regular students then they couldn't punish athletes for taking fake classes. What happens if an agent walks up to the University of Kentucky campus and gives 5 regular students $10,000? Does that mean said agent can then approach 5 athletes and offer them $10,000 as well? It's only fair, right? That's the way I understand the NCAA's rules.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

unc hasn't gotten away with anything. they got caught. whether or not governing retards who make decisions based on money in fact punish them for what they deserve doesn't matter. things are worse for them if they are not punished.

Getting rid of the NCAA is arguably better than seeing the UNCheats punished.

 

[hotelblue]

Getting rid of the NCAA is arguably better than seeing the UNCheats punished.

i agree. but punishment takes many forms. unc is feeling this, ncaa or not. their own students admit this when referenced in two of the five articles posted here during ff week. they know their holes are dirty.

 

[wall2rondo]

If I'm any coach or school I would fight the NCAA Drag it out or whatever

The NCAA is so inconsistent and always says "it's different" or each case is different"

Lawyers should be able to use previous and current punishments as examples just like in actual court of law.

If I was any school that was punished in last 20 years I would rehang any banners because this UNC crap is much worse
The NCAA has enough time in their hands to send uk a letter that they can't celebrate a win and give Calipari a basketball but they can drag their feet in chapel hill

 

[hotelblue]

Another question I have is this: the NCAA basically says that if they offered these fake classes to regular students then they couldn't punish athletes for taking fake classes. What happens if an agent walks up to the University of Kentucky campus and gives 5 regular students $10,000? Does that mean said agent can then approach 5 athletes and offer them $10,000 as well? It's only fair, right? That's the way I understand the NCAA's rules.

the ncaa wants the narrative to be unprovable. don't follow it. they showed this exact contradiction already several years ago. evidence doesn't suggest but rather glaringly shouts to the motive for these fake classes. it's as sports driven as you can get.

 

[WeWant9]

Another question I have is this: the NCAA basically says that if they offered these fake classes to regular students then they couldn't punish athletes for taking fake classes. What happens if an agent walks up to the University of Kentucky campus and gives 5 regular students $10,000? Does that mean said agent can then approach 5 athletes and offer them $10,000 as well? It's only fair, right? That's the way I understand the NCAA's rules.

That's pretty much my takeaway from it. As long as its offered to "student" athletes and a few regular students it's all good. I bet UL is now looking for some students to claim they got the Minardi Hall party treatment as well.

 

[UofKBlue]

the ncaa wants the narrative to be unprovable. don't follow it. they showed this exact contradiction already several years ago. evidence doesn't suggest but rather glaringly shouts to the motive for these fake classes. it's as sports driven as you can get.

I guess all we need to look back to was "strict liability". It obviously only applies to certain folks.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Paging Mark Emmert...please report to the fudge cutting room, you sawed off worthless POS midget bastard.

 

[jrpross_rivals]

If I'm any coach or school I would fight the NCAA Drag it out or whatever

The NCAA is so inconsistent and always says "it's different" or each case is different"

Lawyers should be able to use previous and current punishments as examples just like in actual court of law.

If I was any school that was punished in last 20 years I would rehang any banners because this UNC crap is much worse
The NCAA has enough time in their hands to send uk a letter that they can't celebrate a win and give Calipari a basketball but they can drag their feet in chapel hill

Memphis: one student, one year, one questionable test score BEFORE college.

Vacated Final 4

UNC: hundreds of students, 2 decades, presumably thousands of fake tests, phony classes WHILE in college

No penalty

The NCAA is as consistent as UL is ethical.

 

[Spanish Radio]

I defended the NCAA a lot.

But holy hell. If I were Cal, I would fly to Indy, walk up the front door, drop trou, and take a steaming **** right on their carpet. I would then fly home and hold a 500 win celebration every night for the next year, all while dancing with D.Rose while a confetti that is a mixture of SAT papers with perfect scores on them and hundred dollar bills rained down on me.

K has more weight than Cal with the NCAA. Your coach should make a statement.

 

[KYFOSSIL]

unc hasn't gotten away with anything. they got caught. whether or not governing retards who make decisions based on money in fact punish them for what they deserve doesn't matter. things are worse for them if they are not punished.

The concept of getting away with something probably also covers getting caught but not punished. I would love to hear you explain how not being punished is worse.

 

[TheDude1]

K has more weight than Cal with the NCAA. Your coach should make a statement.

I wish he would. Unfortunately it seems that everyone is sort of in a very uncomfortable bed together... a bed lined with cash

 

[hotelblue]

The concept of getting away with something probably also covers getting caught but not punished. I would love to hear you explain how not being punished is worse.

ask oj simpson.

 

[BurpinTurpin_rivals209459]

I think we need to hold off- a little- on jumping to conclusions. We knew that UNC would show us only what they wanted us to see; we don't know what's in the FI's yet.

Yes, we see in black and white what's in the ANOA itself, but there is still some room left for interpretation. The ANOA seems to be much broader in scope, and LOIC is still in there.

I have a hard time believing that Men's basketball and football will really escape unscathed, the cheating is just too egregious. But if they do in fact skate, it time to realize that we've apparently been watching WWF matches this whole time. And I don't want to hear another word about "tin foil hats" when it comes to refereeing, Tournament seedings and placement, unfair media coverage, etc. Because apparently we aren't watching "real" games, and we apparently haven't for a long, long time.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

ask oj simpson.

 

[hotelblue]

it's worse for everybody. an unruly kid undisciplined will keep on being unruly. the parents don't want to do anything, ok. it reflects on them the worst, as predicted in this situation. that's their decision to stick their necks out there. it doesn't mean the kid is getting away with anything.

first off the parents won't always be there to absorb the cost of the child's vandalism. as well the kid's reputation, ability to make friends, ethics, will all be compromised until he's by himself and realizes the world he was living in is not a world you can be fulfilled in, or truly succeed in. unc has gotten away with nothing. ncaa or not.

if anything the ncaa only hurt them more by acknowledging it with another investigation, or possibly encouraging it by doing nothing. they will have no numbers to combat the even watered down wainstein report. so whatever the possible excuse won't be enough to change the cheating narrative that is unc. if they aren't punished the cloud will stick around. if they are, then soon it can go away like it does with other scandals at other schools. it's been five years now. and unc fans, students, coaches, faculty etc don't like the cloud. pretty much all these groups have acknowledged this. it is a kind of punishment. and they have likely lost multiple five star players from nc because of it.

 

[TeoJ]

Memphis: one student, one year, one questionable test score BEFORE college.

Vacated Final 4

UNC: hundreds of students, 2 decades, presumably thousands of fake tests, phony classes WHILE in college

No penalty

The NCAA is as consistent as UL is ethical.

I think regular students had the same chance BEFORE college? I agree a lot of schools should come back on the NCAA and HARD.

 

[Spanish Radio]

I wish he would. Unfortunately it seems that everyone is sort of in a very uncomfortable bed together... a bed lined with cash

The people who make up the member institutions of the NCAA should be embarrassed. That includes those employed at both the University of Kentucky and Duke as well as the other institutions.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I think you're taking the wrong approach. I say all schools should make fraud classes for students so ALL student athletes will always be elegible. The NCAA can't come down on anyone for this.

Of course they can. They made a new rule. So, only UNCheat, gets to cheat.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Absolutely nothing will happen to UNC. Had this been UK, they would have disbanded the men's program. It's because it goes back their "sainted" Dean Smith. "Ol Roy is just as bad. Shameful. Every school that has ever been put on probation of any kind or received any form of punishment from the NCAA should demand a public denouncement of any wrong doing and their record be cleared.
Also, If I were Cal I would start publicly advocating for a new governing body of college athletics and ask for the NCAA to be removed immediately. "We will not answer to a governing body that ignores blatant and flagrant breaking of the rules put forth by the same body."

I guarantee you that Jordan got involved in this to make it go away.

 

[sckysportsink]

But they only did the violation stuff when the women's classes were in session.

 

[FOWLER267]

UNCHEAT grads should keep that rag of a diploma hanging in the bathroom in case they run out of toilet paper...

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Absolutely nothing will happen to UNC. Had this been UK, they would have disbanded the men's program. It's because it goes back their "sainted" Dean Smith. "Ol Roy is just as bad. Shameful. Every school that has ever been put on probation of any kind or received any form of punishment from the NCAA should demand a public denouncement of any wrong doing and their record be cleared.
Also, If I were Cal I would start publicly advocating for a new governing body of college athletics and ask for the NCAA to be removed immediately. "We will not answer to a governing body that ignores blatant and flagrant breaking of the rules put forth by the same body."

I guarantee you that Jordan got involved in this to make it go away.

 

[Lexchess]

hotelblue, how exactly has UNC been hurt when they just played for the national championship? That is sorta the point of recruiting and those players definitely were recruited within the last five years.

 

[buck8113]

Not one program will do one thing. They all will stand in line like good little ducks and keep their mouths shut while the NCAA runs wild over all except the ones they choose as their favorites. It is crazy if any other school but NC or Duke they would be hammered. So next time a university gets in trouble and NCAA goes after them the fans and university needs to just shut up

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

This is just like the banks/savings and loan scandal. Only two bankers went to jail. Taxpayers foot the bill, while uber-rich suits make off with their bonuses and pensions.

 

[FiveStarCat]

Cop: "you're under arrest for burglary, trespassing, and assault."

Criminal: "I also sped on my way here."

Cop: "Aright here's a speeding ticket. Don't worry about the other stuff. Have a nice day."


It's that. Freaking. Stupid.

Exactly. Can someone explain to me exactly what happened between the original and the amended NOA? Seriously, how do allegations just disappear?

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Exactly. Can someone explain to me exactly what happened between the original and the amended NOA? Seriously, how do allegations just disappear?

 

[akaukswoosh]

Funny. This one doesn't bother long-time NCAA critic Jay Bilas one bit. smh

Jay BilasVerified account ‏@JayBilas 20h20 hours ago
@tsnmike @jbohanis Easy and fraudulent are different. The UNC matter is an accreditation issue, not an NCAA issue.