I tend to agree with that and not too thrilled about the switch either. I do think we'll see improvement on offense though, just how much who knows. I wasn't enthused about Mehringer nor Kill. To me a spread is the best avenue for a school like us but we've never had somebody competent in running it as coordinator.
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He got hired, signed an extension, and hasn't had any scandals.
Therein lies the problem. RU does deserve much more. Realistically we should be getting six and a bowl bid. If not what’s the point? Maryland, Indy, NW, all winnable.
Spanky, it's ironic that you jumped in since you've literally been trolling all of my threads with your typically lame jokes.
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His first year I am not even considering due to the fact of having very little time to recruit, Put together a coaching staff etc. Ash will turn this program around and it is a much bigger project than previous coaches due to the fact we are in arguably the toughest conference. Flood had some great kids to work with due to Schianos recruiting so you cant consider his 3rd year.
Yes, they're all of touch. That's clear from Rutgers having extended Ash's contract. That's why, as you recall, I suggested to you that your poll be in terms of what posters wanted instead of what posters wrongly imagined might happen.
I disagree: I think Schiano had it much harder, not because of the conference, but just the complete lack of infrastructure, facilities, support staff, etc. And also the general malaise that surrounded athletics at Rutgers.
I don't remember if this is the article I saw before but it summarizes the study, also has the links to the whole study if you want to read that.
http://freakonomics.com/2012/12/21/is-changing-the-coach-really-the-answer/
EDIT: I'm not sure we can trust this article though since is was released on the date the world was supposed to end (according to the Mayan calendar) :grimace:
For any RU fans suggesting to potentially fire Ash after this season, I ask just one question: Who are you hiring to replace him?
Im in the minority here but my biggest gripe with Ash has been his inability to hire really good assistant coaches particularly an OC that will run the spread and we stick to it, as much as I like McNulty as a person from an offensive scheme perspective it makes no sense because I don’t think we can recruit well enough to win with a pro style offense right now...recruiting athletes to run the spread is much easier than true football players for the pro style...
I don’t want to give this a “like” because I feel awkward doing so...but I agree with your sentiment
Paul Johnson, so we can run the Triple Option and even the playing field if we aren’t going to recruit B1G caliber lineman yet we seem to be able to recruit athletes...
So a cash-strapped AD is going to buy out Ash and his assistants, buy out the remainder of Johnson's contract at Georgia Tech, and then pay Johnson $1 million to $2 million more per season than Ash?
Doubtful.
And that's not even touching on implementing that system, which has produced a grand total of two 10-win seasons in the ACC, in the B1G.
Or accounting for whether Johnson, who is from the South and has coaching roots going back decades in Georgia, would even make the move.
Next....
Not at all...I guess you haven’t read the thread...I’m in the group that says Ash isn’t going anywhere no matter what these next few years short of a scandal...but you asked for a new coach and I gave you one that would provide us a competitive advantage...ok if not PJ then maybe one of the academy coaches?
Fair enough. I agree with you that Ash should be safe for 2-3 more years, barring off-the-field issues. My point to those who disagree would be, there isn't an obvious candidate out there that RU can afford/attract that would make starting over worth it.
Fair...would you agree that finding an OC to run something other than a Pro Style concept might help us even the playing field when it comes to average to below average recruiting? Or at least that changing OCs that run different offensive schemes has really set us back?
You are right Spank no doubt Schiano had it harder he practically started with what would have been a decent High school team
I think Ash's agent got the better of Hobbs by getting the extra two years for menial sanctions. We committed 7 years and $15 million for a first time HC. Based on this I think Ash gets 5 years regardless of results. Can't see RU eating 3 years and $6+ million. Ash needs to start out strong this year or recruiting will stagnate and a downward spiral is likely. Really need 5 wins and only one blowout loss to sell continuous improvement.
For those asking who could we get to replace Ash, in three years if things are bad, lets hope the Buffalo coach is available.
For those asking who could we get to replace Ash, in three years if things are bad, lets hope the Buffalo coach is available.
Well said. I expect 5 wins and will be disappointed with less, but I won't call for his head if we have 4 wins and lots of close losses. If we have 2-3 wins and a lot of blowout losses, then he'll clearly be on the hot seat and it probably will be time to at least discuss a new coach.
I agree there are reasons why Ash could survive a 3 win season, continuity, Ash being Hobb's first hire, the money involved in paying a fired coach, plus the money in hiring an improvement, and who is that improvement?
So Ash could be back for year 4 despite a 3 win or less season. But I think at that point the 4th year would only be a formality. I'd have no confidence in a strong year 4 after a bad year 3.
All that I said, I expect an improvement over last year.
So Ash could be back for year 4 despite a 3 win or less season. But I think at that point the 4th year would only be a formality. I'd have no confidence in a strong year 4 after a bad year 3.
All that I said, I expect an improvement over last year.
Yup. I like the back and forth but never lose sight of the fact he's trolling.
If we have 2 or fewer wins and a lot of blowout losses, then there is more going on than Ash just not having enough time to get his players. That other stuff might lead to a coaching change.
Seriously by his third post he might as well have been wearing a sign that said “I’VE BEEN HERE BEFORE UNDER OTHER NAMES”.
Joe P.
As they said on Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with that!!"
You suck. Your post is absolutely correct, but you suck for bringing it up.
Believe me not a fan of hashing it all out again, but I’m getting a bit worn out on the ‘Aaaahhhhh Eastern Michigan!!!!’ stuff.
Joe P.
We have the usual haters , it was Schiano and now it’s ash. These people suck and drag our program down. They are so draining. Get behind RU!
You do realize we play a BIG schedule now right ?
We has our golden periods in the mid to late 70's and the Rice Leonard Sanu Britt Mcourty Schiano years . Out of 148 years that is not much of a resume. If he can get to 500 by year 5 with our best and brightest going out by of state and no Florida pipeline that would be a delight. Is what it is.
I don't know if bad losses under previous regime's is a good reason to write off a bad loss under the current regime.
A better question is,
If Ash wins a bowl game with a top 25 D this year do we pay him a legit B1G salary to keep him?
Pondering a 3 or 4 win season is a loser’s mindset. Don’t get sucked in.
If Ash wins a bowl game with a top 25 D this year do we pay him a legit B1G salary to keep him?
Pondering a 3 or 4 win season is a loser’s mindset. Don’t get sucked in.
A top 25 D? With our schedule? Ya, totally cool with a big raise.
I think the QB play factors into the Ash discussion in a big way. If Sitkowki, or Lewis, (or to a lesser extent Flacco) show real promise, then I'd forgive a disappointing W-L record. But if we are not seeing any real progress at that position, 4 or less wins looks bad moving fwd.
Interesting how the "you're a troll! you're a troll!" posters aren't bringing any facts of their own to the table. And how they conveniently ignore that I closed my original post by saying "I hope Coach Ash gets the job done. He seems like a decent, likable person who wants to win."
Totally not the point. I just want to know why Ash gets killed for it while everyone else doesn’t.
Joe P.
If you aren’t a troll, which I’m not saying you are, them just ignore the troll comments...it probably doesn’t help that you continually start new threads and have a tendency to end up with more of the negative posts than anyone else in the conversation...how about trying to start a thread that has a positive spin that you can make an arguement that is favorable?