Pondering 3 or 4 or 5 win seasons is realism...
A top 25 D against our schedule with our questionable offensive line...that’s just funny
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A top 25 D against our schedule with our questionable offensive line...that’s just funny
If you don't get upset you can't be trolled for the most part. You can just totally talk around and through anyone who may be trying to instigate issues or just not participate at all.
Well we've already extended him and I'm sure we'd probably give another bump with those kind of results but if you've seen my posts here I'm not one who is enthusiastic about giving out big raises and extensions on short term results for any school including us obviously. If it's financially manageable for said school you stomach it but I still find it to be unwise.
the 10 wins for the Shea and schiano years were army, navy, temple (each 2x), buffalo, Richmond, Pitt and cuse.
Ash must get RU out of being a perceived/actual B1G cellar dweller along with Illinois and become considered as one of the middle of the pack schools. This happens with achieving 5-7 wins on a regular basis and reduced blow-outs to the top tier teams. Once this perception change happens it should help with recruiting. Recruits want to know they have a chance to get to a bowl game, not get embaressed when they play at the Big House and get noticed by NFL scouts. Ash will get a 4th year barring a scandal or winning only 2 games.
No Rutgers fan should settle or “take” 4 Wins this season with this incredibly easy schedule ( compared to our first two seasons under Ash). Take a look at the combined wins against P5 teams by Texas St, Buffalo, Kansas, and Illinois. 4 Wins would mean absolutely no growth in the Program and show cause for concern.
Agree. Also important for Ash to prove his teams can win the games they're supposed to win after the Eastern Michigan disgrace.
I'm not sure if that would help, hurt, or make no difference over the long term. What will, regardless of the offensive system, is having some stability in the program, Ash cultivating relationships in recruiting, the hiring of assistants who can also recruit and develop players, and improving facilities, finances, academic support, etc.
Changing the offensive system, again, might provide a short-term boost for the way the roster is currently constructed and the types of recruits you suggest RU is having more success with today. But the way to make this thing sustainable is what I laid out above.
Cause for concern? Please stop. Again if we played every game with a chance to win late in the fourth that certainly shows growth. Not getting killed by Michigan and Ohio State. No coach, Ash or other goes from blowout losses and games we could not score to winning those games. Last time I say it. I was not “settling” for 4 wins. Was saying it is more about perception about not getting blown out
Actually, I think sticking with the spread is the more sustainable path longer term. Switching to a pro style to me COULD provide a short term boost. I think the spread is just easier to run and easier to plug and play with vs. pro style where yea there may be years where everything just comes together it terms of players and such but then it's gone as quickly as it came. But we've seen teams that run a spread that switch qbs or this or that as they graduate, even sometimes coordinators but they are still able to hum along.
It's not a guarantee and it doesn't mean everything will always be smooth but IMO it's the avenue with more potential and easier to execute.
We've seen program with lower level status elevate themselves and most of them run a spread. Just from a player standpoint and performance a couple names I've brought up. Nic Shimonek transfer from pro style Iowa thrived at TT under Kingsbury. Conversely, we saw what O'Korn was capable of at Houston in the spread and how bad he looked at Michigan in a pro style. Funny enough I just saw Wilton Speight transferred from Michigan to UCLA to compete for the qb job in Kelly's offense.
So IMO despite the bumps of not identifying competent coordinators to run it recently, longer term I think it's more sustainable, easier to execute and offers more potential.
Everyone keeps making this point about GS and TS not coaching in the B1G, but if I remember correctly, the Big East was a power conference with The U, Va Tech and BC at the time, to go along with Pitt, WVU and a very strong Cuse program.
That is no comparison to the B1G, and especially the B1G East, which has three of the most powerful programs historically in the sport, and another in Michigan State that is in the midst of its best run ever.
I'm not denigrating the B1G East. I'm saying that it wasn't as if we were playing the Connecticut School of the Blind. There were multiple national championship contenders on those schedules.
The Big East had a handful of solid teams in given years throughout Schiano's run, and the occasional great team, but the overall schedules his teams faced aren't even in the same realm of difficulty as those Ash has to deal with.
Greg Schiano had 21 wins at Rutgers against teams that finished the season above .500. Care to guess how many of those came against programs currently in a P5 conference? Three. Louisville 2006, Kansas State 2006, Pitt 2008. He went 4-18 against teams ranked in the T25 while at Rutgers, and only 4-8 from 2005 on when the program was finding its legs. Greg Schiano in the nonconference portion of the regular season beat a grand total of five teams currently in power leagues, and not a single one of those teams would finish that season above .500.
Look, he did a lot in recruiting and selling the program and making it respectable. But on the field, his resume isn't all that impressive. He essentially feasted on Navy, Buffalo, Army and the like in the nonconference with the occasional win over a mediocre major conference squad, beat some more mediocre teams in bowls, and performed admirably in conference against good but not great programs like USF and UConn.
Go back and look at the schedules Schiano's teams played. Then think about playing OSU, Michigan, MSU, PSU, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, etc. The week-in, week-out grind is like nothing Schiano faced at Rutgers.
yes, and we were regularly beaten by the strong teams in the Big East. But we played more softies then -- Army, Navy, the then-floundering Temple program, Buffalo, Richmond, to use 1998, Shea's third year, as an example.
I have to disagree with the statement that the '18 schedule is incredibly easy compared to last year.
Washington >>>>> Kansas
Morgan State <<<<< Texas State
EMU <<<<< Buffalo
Purdue = Northwestern
Nebraska <<<<< Wisconsin
The other 7 are repeats. Some may be better, some worse.
Alot of this cherry picking is awful and grossly unfair to Schiano. Navy during the years was never a softie and better than many P5 teams. UConn was a tough out. We dominated PItt and USF. Cincy was also as good as many a P5 team. We played and beat Louisville The North Carolina games were a nice series. We were robbed by Illinois at Illinois and they never crossed the 50 at home against us. We beat MSU at home. Cuse was no longer a .500 team because we left them in the dust. The anti-Schiano and anti-Big East football crowd is frankly comical.
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I wasn't talking about Schiano; I was talking about Shea and the misleading attempts by "BigTenRutgers" to equate Shea's record with Ash's.
May be because Kansas is so much worse than Washington that everything else is gravy?
I understand that.
I would counter that Wisc and NW were a combined 23-4 last year while Pur and Neb were 11-14. Of course that was last year and a lot can change between then and now.
Anyhow I don't see the schedule being significantly easier.
These are all the ranked teams that Schiano-coached RU teams played (Bold are wins, ranks are from the week they played):
2001 - Miami (1), Va Tech (8)
2002 - Tennessee (11), Va Tech (3), Miami (1), Domers (8)
2003 - Va Tech (4), Miami (13)
2004 - WVU (15), BC (24)
2005 - 'Ville (23)
2006 - 'Ville (3), WVU (15)
2007 - Cincy (20), So Fla (2), WVU (6), U-Conn (16)
2008 - Pitt (17)
2009 - So Fla (23), WVU (24)
2010 - WVU (23)
2011 - WVU (25)
Only twice in 11 years did his teams play against more than two ranked teams in a season, and only once OOC. Also note that 2003 was the last year Miami and Va Tech were in the conference, and BC left the following year. Since joining the Big Ten, we have never played less than three, and since Penn State has gotten good again, it's been 4 a year and doesn't show any signs of changing this year. We could even be facing 5 ranked teams this year in OSU, PSU, MSU, Mich and Wisky. Can't sleep on Northwestern, either.
Cue OP and ‘no one posts any facts they just say I’m trolling’...though I wonder if he could just tell us what other names he’s been here before under.
Joe P.
I think the perception change we want is not so much becoming a middle of the pack school, but instead a team on the rise. Don't accept that middle of the pack role even if it is a nice step up from cellar dwellar and much more likely then ever becoming a top tier team.
A rising B1G team.
Joe, you're starting to become obsessed. Move on and accept the fact that not every RUTGERS FAN feels Chris Ash has proven he's the next Greg Schiano. I'd simply like to see him equal what Schiano and Terry Shea did in their third years, which is 5 wins. If you're melting down over that, maybe that means you think he's not capable of a 5-win season?
No, why do people act like there’s no precedent/ this is some brand-new cardinal sin only committed by this staff? Not saying it should always be seen as ‘ok’, but the indignation over ‘EMU’ is a bit over the top IMO, especially in the context in which it happened. The events that will eventually provide the lasting definition for this game have yet to occur, so I don’t see the point in making all these long-term definitive statements about it at this time.
Joe P.
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There is no acceptable "context" for a Big Ten team losing at home to Eastern Michigan. None. EMU had never beaten a Power 5 opponent before triumphing at Rutgers. There is no possible way to sugarcoat that debacle.
For a six point home favorite to lose is not a debacle. Happens all the time.
Now if your concern is why was RU only a six point home favorite over EMU, the current coach's predecessor may have had something to do with that.
Bingo. That’s ‘context’. Also, how many P5 wins does Buffalo have? I think losing to lousy 4-8 Tulane in 2010 with us having future NFL players at multiple positions (WR, QB, DB, LB)/ coming off 5 bowl seasons in a row was worse than losing to EMU while we’re in the middle of rebuilding from a dumpster fire. Both losses are bad, but I find the indignation over EMU borderline ridiculous. That being said, it’s still a ‘bottom 10/ hall of shame’-type loss.
Joe P.
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This type of excuse-making should be embarrassing to all Rutgers fans. Chris Ash was the coach the year before and during the Eastern Michigan game. That loss falls squarely on his shoulders. And that’s not an attack on Coach Ash; it’s stating an obvious fact.
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If you can't see the overall improvements he has made in 2 years your not paying attention. That's not to say he can take major steps backward and be on a hot seat. Too many posters are only looking at wins. They refuse to give him credit for improved play, improved culture etc. Lets let this ride out for the next two years and then we can readdress the situation
You really need to get off that EMU loss. Try getting on the 3 Big wins. If I recall we weren't favorites in any of them
This poster is big time psycho and negatoid don’t feed him as he feeds off being a dick. Plus he has no football IQ.
I know your right just irritates the crap out of me especially when I see others liking his posts
A "psycho?" Geez, you are really melting down after being taken to the woodshed with facts.