Wvu v Mizzou

[Buckaineer]

A look at week one stats gives an indication of what WVU will be facing at Mizzou:

Mizzou v Wyoming ( a team decidedly better than JMU and in FBS rather than FCS

Passing 423
Rushing 114
Receiving 423

WVU v JMU ( fcs)

Passing 260
Rushing 34
Receiving 260

Looks to be a potentially long day

 

[Rootmaster]

Quit trying to look like a reasonable poster. You are doing this to start on another NB sucks and I love DH thread. To answer your question Bucky Wucky...of course it could be a long afternoon. Think we have all posted why this could be a long season...but a good one nonetheless.

 

[Buckaineer]

WVU gave up 328 total yds and 18 first downs to the 13 they had

Missouri in their first game

Gave up 389 yds but had 28 first downs to Wyomings 16

 

[Rootmaster]

Oh Bucky Wucky...you prove me so right! Too funny.

 

[Buckaineer]

Mizzou had 5-31 yds in penalties

WVU had 6-35 yds

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

Mizzou had 5-31 yds in penalties

WVU had 6-35 yds

Mizzou gave up 37 points

WVU gave up 13

 

[RichardCranium1]

How bad does Missouri want to win or are their players already looking down the road.

Could have went both ways. The way they played last weekend makes me think they have already given up on the season. No ranking, no SEC championship game and no bowl game.
Plus an 0-1 record.
Only thing they have to play for is themselves. A perfect matchup.

 

[bobhertzel'ssweatpants]

A look at week one stats gives an indication of what WVU will be facing at Mizzou:

Mizzou v Wyoming ( a team decidedly better than JMU and in FBS rather than FCS

Passing 423
Rushing 114
Receiving 423

WVU v JMU ( fcs)

Passing 260
Rushing 34
Receiving 260

Looks to be a potentially long day

I think JMU/Wyoming would be a competitive game. Mizzou was better than Wyoming, but the better team doesn't always win. You can't have 3 back breaking turnovers when you are the favorite.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Wyoming ( a team decidedly better than JMU

Not a given. There are no barometers to compare the two.

 

[locustwv]

WVU 28

Missouri 24

 

[doneagain]

Your constant trolling is doing more to turn people against Dana and his accomplishments than otherwise would have existed. But if you insist on making everything about how great Dana was and how horrible Neal is...

Houston and Dana’s “air raid attack” against Oklahoma and their pass defense that ranked dead last in FBS in 2018...

Houston - 167 passing Yards
Oklahoma - 332 passing yards

Houston’s QB’s threw for nearly 300 yards per game and 45 TDs in 2018. Yet Dana could only muster 167 against last year’s worst passing defense in the country.

Hurtz left Alabama for Oklahoma because he was not a good passing QB, but blew away Dana’s QB stats on Sunday.

 

[pressvirginia]

A look at week one stats gives an indication of what WVU will be facing at Mizzou:

Mizzou v Wyoming ( a team decidedly better than JMU and in FBS rather than FCS

Passing 423
Rushing 114
Receiving 423

WVU v JMU ( fcs)

Passing 260
Rushing 34
Receiving 260

Looks to be a potentially long day

Don't forget the one that matters

Missouri
L

WVU
W

 

[Charleston Mountie]

A look at week one stats gives an indication of what WVU will be facing at Mizzou:

Mizzou v Wyoming ( a team decidedly better than JMU and in FBS rather than FCS

Passing 423
Rushing 114
Receiving 423

WVU v JMU ( fcs)

Passing 260
Rushing 34
Receiving 260

Looks to be a potentially long day

You don't get it.

Every reasonable Mountaineer expects EVERY game to be a long day on the field this season. DH literally ran the team into the ground and left nothing to work with - he was a big part of why he wanted out.

While everyone one of us would love to win every game we play, we know that is not going to happen and we may not win another win another game this season. We are not asking to win any more games, if we do great, but we do not expect wins.

We want, we hope for and we demand that we see the future on the field every game. We want to see the coach grow. We want to see the team grow. We want to see mistakes now that are still not being made by the 12th game. We want to see a team in the 12th game that looks nothing like the one in the first game.

If there are wins in there great, but no one here is going to cry if their aren't. Will we win any more games? I think so. I think college football has been bad as a general rule for the last ten years. No one is a great team any more and the ones we call great are only great in comparison. So WVU can rise up and bring home the victory this season but no one will persecute this coach if we go 1-11.

 

[op2]

Mizzou is an SEC school and they're going to be 0-1 and playing at home. And WVU is rebuilding. It is going to be very hard for WVU to win.

That said, I watched the JMU game over the last couple of nights and it was encouraging how much better WVU played in the 2nd half. They must have did something to make things better at halftime, so that means someone can coach.

In addition to this being a major rebuilding year for WVU, I don't think some realize just how hard the schedule is. The Big 12 is a really good league and the only perpetual patsie hired a great coach. Mizzou is an SEC school and NCSU is just plain good every year with their new coach. And JMU is one of the top BCS schools.

 

[Buckaineer]

Mizzou gave up 37 points

WVU gave up 13

Yes but WVU played an fcs team and Missouri played a good fbs team.

 

[Buckaineer]

You don't get it.

Every reasonable Mountaineer expects EVERY game to be a long day on the field this season. DH literally ran the team into the ground and left nothing to work with - he was a big part of why he wanted out.

While everyone one of us would love to win every game we play, we know that is not going to happen and we may not win another win another game this season. We are not asking to win any more games, if we do great, but we do not expect wins.

We want, we hope for and we demand that we see the future on the field every game. We want to see the coach grow. We want to see the team grow. We want to see mistakes now that are still not being made by the 12th game. We want to see a team in the 12th game that looks nothing like the one in the first game.

If there are wins in there great, but no one here is going to cry if their aren't. Will we win any more games? I think so. I think college football has been bad as a general rule for the last ten years. No one is a great team any more and the ones we call great are only great in comparison. So WVU can rise up and bring home the victory this season but no one will persecute this coach if we go 1-11.

Not sure what you dont understand, Holgorsen would have won at least 7 or 8 games this year with the personnel he left. With the players that didnt move onto the NFL.

Brown ran off many of the starters so has no one to blame but himself if his cupboard isnt full at this point.

While many of you bashed DH for winning even 10 games a couple of times, now suddenly a losing season is ok? Excusable?

Interesting you want to now "see the coach grow". Last year it was " anyone can step in and do better instantly". Now we shall see how true or untrue that is-- not looking very good so far.

WVU should continue forward growing from a 7-8 win average team, not take several steps back. This weekend should be a good barometer of what we will see going forward.

 

[Buckaineer]

Mizzou possessed the ball 31:10 to Wyomings 28:50

WVU trailed in possession to fcs JMU 30:50 (jmu) to 29:06 ( WVU)

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Some of the things you have said are correct but the majority of what you said is incorrect.

WVU like many other schools in the Big 12 wanted to change directions.
There was a common theme in all 4 hires.

What Iowa State and Texas are doing is working in the Big 12.
Both have had success against Oklahoma. .

What Dana was doing did not.
You can't get into an offensive pissing contest with Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma.

Even Oklahoma is figuring this out and are trying to become a little more methodical on offense to put their defense in a good position.

Doesn't matter what Dana would have done this year. What does matter is what Neal Brown is doing.

Creating a multilayer defense that can cover space but is versatile enough to stop the run

Create a power rushing football team that can be explosive but if you had the choice you stay methodical so you can control ToP and keep your defense rested.


A defense's best friend is a 14 play 80 yard drive that last at least half a quarter.

Pretty much being the Python with your offense and defense.

 

[Buckaineer]

The biggest concern for the Mountaineer squad has to be the running game. Its what the new coaching staff said would be featured.

Yet, WVU under the new staff could muster only 34 total yards.

Theres a little hope there against Missouri because they gave up 297 rushing yds to Wyoming- but WVus coaches have already said they are not built like Wyoming in terms of being able to run.


This is a critical game for a successful season so the running game is going to have to elevate significantly this week

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I do think Neal Brown needs to pull a Jackie Sherrill and Tell teams they better get their licks in now because things will be changing.

But I think Neal Brown already has said something similar and I doubt Neal Brown would want his name anywhere around a scumbag like Jackie Sherrill.

 

[Buckaineer]

Some of the things you have said are correct but the majority of what you said is incorrect.

WVU like many other schools in the Big 12 wanted to change directions.
There was a common theme in all 4 hires.

What Iowa State and Texas are doing is working in the Big 12.
Both have had success against Oklahoma. .

What Dana was doing did not.
You can't get into an offensive pissing contest with Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma.

Even Oklahoma is figuring this out and are trying to become a little more methodical on offense to put their defense in a good position.

Doesn't matter what Dana would have done this year. What does matter is what Neal Brown is doing.

Creating a multilayer defense that can cover space but is versatile enough to stop the run

Create a power rushing football team that can be explosive but if you had the choice you stay methodical so you can control ToP and keep your defense rested.


A defense's best friend is a 14 play 80 yard drive that last at least half a quarter.

Pretty much being the Python with your offense and defense.

I did not see a strong defense against JMU-- huge gaps in pass defense, and JMU was able to gain more first downs than WVU and keep drives alive. Running and passing. That was the easiest squad to beat WVU will face all season.

What I did see was a nonexistent running game- something intended to be featured, and a dink and dunk passing game that is likely to get WVU blown out in multiple BIG 12 contests and could barely score 20 pts against an fcs squad at home in front of a sellout crowd.

WVUs defensive woes were not Holgorsens, they were coaches with WVU ties forced on him like gibby , who choked when the pressure was on after Holgorsens top ten offense scored enough pts to win alot of games the team lost instead, because the d gave up too many pts.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I did not see a strong defense against JMU-- huge gaps in pass defense, and JMU was able to gain more first downs than WVU and keep drives alive. Running and passing. That was the easiest squad to beat WVU will face all season.

What I did see was a nonexistent running game- something intended to be featured, and a dink and dunk passing game that is likely to get WVU blown out in multiple BIG 12 contests and could barely score 20 pts against an fcs squad at home in front of a sellout crowd.

WVUs defensive woes were not Holgorsens, they were coaches with WVU ties forced on him like gibby , who choked when the pressure was on after Holgorsens top ten offense scored enough pts to win alot of games the team lost instead, because the d gave up too many pts.

I wouldnt worry about it...your life isnt going to change either way.

 

[Buckaineer]

Your constant trolling is doing more to turn people against Dana and his accomplishments than otherwise would have existed. But if you insist on making everything about how great Dana was and how horrible Neal is...

Houston and Dana’s “air raid attack” against Oklahoma and their pass defense that ranked dead last in FBS in 2018...

Houston - 167 passing Yards
Oklahoma - 332 passing yards

Houston’s QB’s threw for nearly 300 yards per game and 45 TDs in 2018. Yet Dana could only muster 167 against last year’s worst passing defense in the country.

Hurtz left Alabama for Oklahoma because he was not a good passing QB, but blew away Dana’s QB stats on Sunday.

Seems you dont understand trolling. Trolling isnt discussing what factually happened as I have done. Its making things up, changing the conversation, making imbecilic comments, and simplyannoying people for annoyances sake.

Talking about what happened in WVus first game under a new coach and comparing that to what people said would be if they could only get rid of the previous coach is not trolling. Just statement of fact and concern for things going forward.

And pointing out facts about Holgorsens accomplishments while some of you libel him is not trolling either.

Its like the racists who do racist cr@p that hurts real people, then say, the people who protest what happened and those racists who did it, are racist. Does not work that way.

Facts are facts, they dont become not facts because you dont like them, and mentioning them doesnt make one a troll-- but attacking someone for pointing them out may make you a troll.

 

[Buckaineer]

I wouldnt worry about it...your life isnt going to change either way.

I dont follow teams to change my life, I follow teams for entertainment. You might need to address your silly statement to those so upset Im discussing the current state of affairs.

You probably shouldnt worry so much about what I say either, its not going to change your life.

 

[.Bodhi.]

A look at week one stats gives an indication of what WVU will be facing at Mizzou:

Mizzou v Wyoming ( a team decidedly better than JMU and in FBS rather than FCS

Passing 423
Rushing 114
Receiving 423

WVU v JMU ( fcs)

Passing 260
Rushing 34
Receiving 260

Looks to be a potentially long day

How much are you hoping WVU loses?

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Not sure what you dont understand, Holgorsen would have won at least 7 or 8 games this year with the personnel he left. With the players that didnt move onto the NFL.

Brown ran off many of the starters so has no one to blame but himself if his cupboard isnt full at this point.

While many of you bashed DH for winning even 10 games a couple of times, now suddenly a losing season is ok? Excusable?

Interesting you want to now "see the coach grow". Last year it was " anyone can step in and do better instantly". Now we shall see how true or untrue that is-- not looking very good so far.

WVU should continue forward growing from a 7-8 win average team, not take several steps back. This weekend should be a good barometer of what we will see going forward.

You have nothing to base this on except your sour attitude. I have met people like you before, I always pitied them because their lives were so miserable. A coach that has been with a team for 8 years and can't produce better then 3rd place in a ten team league should be bashed.

Again, you don't get it. We shall enjoy the future however it unfolds, but you have no need to be here because your mind is made up. If Neal lays an egg here, we will know then. That will not be this year or next or even the next but by year 4 we will know what we bought. But, every game that Neal Brown's team win will make you die a little more inside. We should run a raffle and see how many ticks are left in your miserable soul.

 

[Rootmaster]

As i said before folks...just put BuckedUp on ignore. Then discuss Mountaineer football without jackasses like him trying their darnest to sidetrack any decent thread. If you dont talk to the boring...pompous...jerk in a bar then why do it here?

 

[WVUALLEN]

A look at week one stats gives an indication of what WVU will be facing at Mizzou:

Mizzou v Wyoming ( a team decidedly better than JMU and in FBS rather than FCS

Passing 423
Rushing 114
Receiving 423

WVU v JMU ( fcs)

Passing 260
Rushing 34
Receiving 260

Looks to be a potentially long day

seems you left something out....

Wyoming
297 yards rushing
forced 3 turn overs
they didn't need to pass.

Could be a long day for Misery vs the run.

What makes you think Misery or Wyoming are better than JMU? Did they play each other? No.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I did not see a strong defense against JMU-- huge gaps in pass defense, and JMU was able to gain more first downs than WVU and keep drives alive. Running and passing. That was the easiest squad to beat WVU will face all season.

What I did see was a nonexistent running game- something intended to be featured, and a dink and dunk passing game that is likely to get WVU blown out in multiple BIG 12 contests and could barely score 20 pts against an fcs squad at home in front of a sellout crowd.

WVUs defensive woes were not Holgorsens, they were coaches with WVU ties forced on him like gibby , who choked when the pressure was on after Holgorsens top ten offense scored enough pts to win alot of games the team lost instead, because the d gave up too many pts.

It's apparent that you only watched the first half. Go watch the 2nd half and you will see JMU got shutdown. Let me know when you present good football facts and not a lot of 304 bull ****.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I dont follow teams to change my life, I follow teams for entertainment. You might need to address your silly statement to those so upset Im discussing the current state of affairs.

You probably shouldnt worry so much about what I say either, its not going to change your life.

It wont change your entertainment, either.

Have you ever received a refund when you didn't enjoy a movie in a theater?

 

[WVUALLEN]

Seems you dont understand trolling. Trolling isnt discussing what factually happened as I have done. Its making things up, changing the conversation, making imbecilic comments, and simplyannoying people for annoyances sake.

Talking about what happened in WVus first game under a new coach and comparing that to what people said would be if they could only get rid of the previous coach is not trolling. Just statement of fact and concern for things going forward.

And pointing out facts about Holgorsens accomplishments while some of you libel him is not trolling either.

Its like the racists who do racist cr@p that hurts real people, then say, the people who protest what happened and those racists who did it, are racist. Does not work that way.

Facts are facts, they dont become not facts because you dont like them, and mentioning them doesnt make one a troll-- but attacking someone for pointing them out may make you a troll.

Who on here is even talking about Holgorsen other than you?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You have nothing to base this on except your sour attitude. I have met people like you before, I always pitied them because their lives were so miserable. A coach that has been with a team for 8 years and can't produce better then 3rd place in a ten team league should be bashed.

Again, you don't get it. We shall enjoy the future however it unfolds, but you have no need to be here because your mind is made up. If Neal lays an egg here, we will know then. That will not be this year or next or even the next but by year 4 we will know what we bought. But, every game that Neal Brown's team win will make you die a little more inside. We should run a raffle and see how many ticks are left in your miserable soul.

To be fair, there's really no purpose to "bash" anyone. He had some success, and failures...he moved on and everyone was OK.

Comparatively, he over-performed. WVU doesnt recruit well, so his teams were always competing against better talent...our facilities are at the bottom half, we are on an island....

...explain the advantage a coach has @ WVU?

The reason DH was respected in the business outside of WV was because he managed to get us competitive despite those disadvantages....

You can debate whether they are legit or not...

 

[Rootmaster]

The reason DH was respected in the business outside of WV was because he managed to get us competitive despite those disadvantages..

WVU was "competitive" way before Clueless DH got here and will continue to be. Don't give that whiny piece of distressed values more credit than he deserves.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

WVU was "competitive" way before Clueless DH got here and will continue to be. Don't give that whiny piece of distressed values more credit than he deserves.

They were never competitive in the B12, obviously...he was canary in the mine..and until the Big East got fisted and stripped, they werent all that competitive in that conference either.

DH did fine. Brown is in a difficult position..prove WVU can win big in a major conference.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

WVU was "competitive" way before Clueless DH got here and will continue to be. Don't give that whiny piece of distressed values more credit than he deserves.

WVU had a competitive advantage in the old big east.

What advantage do we have in the B12?

 

[pressvirginia]

seems you left something out....

Wyoming
297 yards rushing
forced 3 turn overs
they didn't need to pass.

Could be a long day for Misery vs the run.

What makes you think Misery or Wyoming are better than JMU? Did they play each other? No.

exactly. Missouri should be just as if not more concerned & urgent to win Saturday. it's their home opener. they are coming off a terrible embarrassing loss. they are a double digit favorite no matter what Wyoming did. they turned the ball over so much that they beat themselves. they let an inferior opponent & QB run all over them. they beat Wyoming by 27 a year ago. they lost to WVU in the last meeting. they were a preseason darling expected to go 8-0 with their schedule with FIVE straight 'winnable' home games. they've got a $3M+ coach who is 19-20 & approaching the sec coaching hot seat since replacing a legend who previously had them atop the sec east and BXII north. they have a Clemson QB who previously led Clem to a 12-2 record, acc championship & playoff berth. they have all the expectation & pressure to win.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I did not see a strong defense against JMU-- huge gaps in pass defense, and JMU was able to gain more first downs than WVU and keep drives alive. Running and passing. That was the easiest squad to beat WVU will face all season.

What I did see was a nonexistent running game- something intended to be featured, and a dink and dunk passing game that is likely to get WVU blown out in multiple BIG 12 contests and could barely score 20 pts against an fcs squad at home in front of a sellout crowd.

WVUs defensive woes were not Holgorsens, they were coaches with WVU ties forced on him like gibby , who choked when the pressure was on after Holgorsens top ten offense scored enough pts to win alot of games the team lost instead, because the d gave up too many pts.

Obviously.
The guy just started. I think there are some things to like and other things to improve on.

The overall flow of that game was very good in terms of coaching.
If that is the bottom of WVU football for Neal Brown then he probably will win 8-10 games a lot of years when he gets his team.


West Virginia's OLine issues aren't brand new. They were there last year even with Cajuste. But Will Grier covered up a lot of flaws for West Virginia.
I just don't think that is what the fanbase wants anymore. They have been telling you for the past two weeks. I think some of their attacks on Dana don't have merit but others do. The guy had a clear path in the Big 12 and couldn't take advantage of it. If Dana cannot win when Oklahoma is a fringe CFP team. What is going to happen when both Oklahoma and Texas are legit CFP caliber teams and Oklahoma State, TCU or even Baylor raise their level.

West Virginia is going to bring better players in here or even develop what they already have under Neal Brown.
If not they will move on from Neal Brown. But I don't think that will be the case. I am not sure if he is the man to win the Big 12 Championship but like what has been said people knew Dana was not and wouldn't be in the future.

 

[Buckaineer]

It's apparent that you only watched the first half. Go watch the 2nd half and you will see JMU got shutdown. Let me know when you present good football facts and not a lot of 304 bull ****.

You seem disturbed. That and/ or lacking reading comprehension. At the start and throughout this thread Ive presented simple stats from both teams first game. Not my opinion. Not b.s,

Everything Ive stated is true. You dont like it, but its true. Facts. You dont get to rewrite reality because you dont want to accept it.

Its like the climate deniers. They can pretend polluting the atmosmphere with tons of pollutants daily has no effect, but when the glaciers melt because of it, the flooding and hurricanes will destroy their coastal home and maybe take their or a loved ones life just the same.

Go ahead and keep denying if you want to, and Ill keep telling the truth no matter how vile and violent you become.

 

[bobhertzel'ssweatpants]

You seem disturbed. That and/ or lacking reading comprehension. At the start and throughout this thread Ive presented simple stats from both teams first game. Not my opinion. Not b.s,

Everytging Ive stated is true. You dont like it, but its true. Facts. You dont get to rewrite reality because you dont want to accept it.

Its like the climate deniers. They can pretend polluting the atmosmphere with tons of pollutants daily has no effect, but when the glaciers melt because of it, the flooding and hurricanes will destroy their coastal home and maybe take their or a loved ones life just the same.

Go ahead and keep denying if you want to, and Ill keep telling the truth no matter how vile and violent you become.

You aren't presenting "facts". You are taking stats & twisting them to fit your narrative. There is a difference. How about you continue to hate Neal Brown unfairly and the rest of us will take a wait & see approach since the cupboard was left bare. And while Holgorsen was the coach here, I've moved on from him. I didn't love him or hate him.He wasn't a terrible coach here. It was probably a time for change for everyone. Now I'm ready to give Brown a chance. If you expected ANY coach to win big with this team, you were completely delusional. Saban & Dabo couldn't win big with this team. Personally I am giving this a coaching staff a mulligan for this season because of the circumstances. I just want to see improvement throughout the year regardless of the final record.

 

[Buckaineer]

You aren't presenting "facts". You are taking stats & twisting them to fit your narrative. There is a difference. How about you continue to hate Neal Brown unfairly and the rest of us will take a wait & see approach since the cupboard was left bare. And while Holgorsen was the coach here, I've moved on from him. I didn't love him or hate him.He wasn't a terrible coach here. It was probably a time for change for everyone. Now I'm ready to give Brown a chance. If you expected ANY coach to win big with this team, you were completely delusional. Saban & Dabo couldn't win big with this team. Personally I am giving this a coaching staff a mulligan for this season because of the circumstances. I just want to see improvement throughout the year regardless of the final record.

Facts. Only facts. No twists, no turns. That is what you and others are doing.

34 yds rushing is not a twist.

Missouri passing for 400 plus yards is not a twist.

Some of you are experiencing the same separation from reality facing the country at large. You want to create reality instead of seeing with your own two eyes and believing it.