Would A Final Four Change Your Perception

TankedCat

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If you had the sole right to pick Cal's replacement, who do you pick?
I wouldn't, If I'm in that position, I sit Cal down and I tell him what's what, I tell him what his goals for next season are and what I expect and I tell him that I expect him to meet those goals. That includes player retention, bench development and scheduling. I"d tell him I expect the best players out on the floor for winning games in November as well as March and If he balked at that I'd ask him to consider his options at the end of the season.

Then I'd quietly start sending out feelers to gauge interest in coaches, develop a short list and choose the best I could, even if it meant a gatekeeper until someone else came available.

Bottom line if Cal isn't interested in changing to improve UK's position of winning, then keeping him is just delaying the inevitable. Why not pull the band aid off and get the healing process started. Right now we have a coach talking about hitting rock bottom to teach a lesson, he's said in the past that being committed to players means we may lose games and he says that we need to play the biggest cupcake schedule we realistically can in order to give him time to teach players how to play the game. If I'm an AD, I'd tell him that is about the biggest load of bs the coach of Kentucky can say to me at the moment and that isn't what he was hired to do.

I'm sure you expected me to say Beard , Stevens or Few but it doesn't really matter who I say, the issue is more about - is Cal committed to winning or his system? - and his answer would determine what I'd do next. My obligation is to put someone in charge of the UK program that is dedicated to do everything they can to win.
If Cal doesn't want to , next man up
 
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Cawood86_rivals

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Cal never stabbed the Rupps in the back. He did a few things:
- publicly said he was willing to listen and learn about any issues his team or the African American Studies community wanted to discuss at UK
- publicly stated that he knew the Rupp family and didn’t feel that changing the name of Rupp was warranted
- publicly stated that he thought the requests of the AA Community at UK (professors in particular) were not about just changing the name of Rupp Arena, but of issues that maybe we all needed to understand better

his quote:
“From what I understand (the African-American and Africana Studies program) were talking about a lot of different things,” Calipari said via Zoom on Wednesday. “This is another chance for us to listen and learn. Some people agree, some people are not going to agree. I would tell you for me personally, knowing the (Rupp) family, knowing Herky (Adolph Rupp’s son) like I did, what’s out there that tells me it’s something different?”

to me / this is easy to see / he is saying with his relationship with the family, he sees no evidence that Rupp or his family has earned the racist tag, and that he feels the calling for the name change is not warranted. Of course, this is just my take away.
What he could have said. "I know the Rupp family. I know their character and their father was not what he is being accused of being. I understand people have questions. His family deserves the respect of their father building this great UK tradition. I support him and his family"
Instead he did waht he usually does, give a non-answer. Shame on him and shame on UK for even allowing this to be an issue.
 

Backer cutter

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I don't want Calipari fired, I just want him to put his BB priority on the BB program that pays his ENORMOUS salary, instead of the NBA draft. Hell, if draft picks is the main priority, then let the NBA pay his salary so that UK can spend that 10 MIL per year on something else.
Well I sorta agree. It would be better for all parties involved if he just walked away. If I thought he was capable of change, I wouldn’t want him gone either. But I saw a few years ago, he isn’t going to change. Hell, you can almost see the divots under the bench.
 

Will Bithers

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I wouldn't, If I'm in that position, I sit Cal down and I tell him what's what, I tell him what his goals for next season are and what I expect and I tell him that I expect him to meet those goals. That includes player retention, bench development and scheduling. I"d tell him I expect the best players out on the floor for winning games in November as well as March and If he balked at that I'd ask him to consider his options at the end of the season.

Then I'd quietly start sending out feelers to gauge interest in coaches, develop a short list and choose the best I could, even if it meant a gatekeeper until someone else came available.

Bottom line if Cal isn't interested in changing to improve UK's position of winning, then keeping him is just delaying the inevitable. Why not pull the band aid off and get the healing process started. Right now we have a coach talking about hitting rock bottom to teach a lesson, he's said in the past that being committed to players means we may lose games and he says that we need to play the biggest cupcake schedule we realistically can in order to give him time to teach players how to play the game. If I'm an AD, I'd tell him that is about the biggest load of bs the coach of Kentucky can say to me at the moment and that isn't what he was hired to do.

I'm sure you expected me to say Beard , Stevens or Few but it doesn't really matter who I say, the issue is more about - is Cal committed to winning or his system? - and his answer would determine what I'd do next. My obligation is to put someone in charge of the UK program that dedicated to do everything they can to win.
If Cal doesn't want to , next man up
He would laugh in your face and show you that lifetime contract you gave him. Then he would tell you to get ready to pony up the big bucks if you wanted him out bad enough.
 

Blueaz

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I would not “applaud” your friend’s determination to support Cal being fired. This is a ridiculous position. I always ask this question when one of our fans makes the assertion to fire Cal, “Who will come to UK to replace Cal that will equal or exceed what Cal has done and likely to do for the foreseeable future? Who are you going to take a chance on and give up what we have in Cal?
this,
and there is NEVER a good answer (of a coach that would actually come here)
 

TankedCat

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He would laugh in your face and show you that lifetime contract you gave him. Then he would tell you to get ready to pony up the big bucks if you wanted him out bad enough.
he can have his lifetime contract, but that doesn't guarantee working conditions he finds tolerable.

Cal isn't the only one that can manipulate the fan base. A few well placed "concerns" to the media about whether our coach is committed to UK and living in Lexington becomes intolerable.

and truth is I wouldn't have to . Another start to a season like this and fans will be lining up to tee off on him.

Cal isn't subjecting his family to that environment.
 
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Blueaz

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We weren't rejected often. there are different situations in different times.

Billy Donovan flirted with the UK job, had a contract drawn up, and nearly became the UK head coach in the middle of title runs at Florida. The only reason he turned it down was because he ended up wanting the NBA. Had he wanted to stay in college he'd be at UK right now.

Who else? Olson? He accepted the job but didn't have the stomach to go through with it. He wanted it too, just couldn't make the jump.

Who are all of these coaches who have turned UK down?

I don't think you're a UK fan to be honest, I think you're a troll of another team that's here to stir the pot.
agree with the troll part
But, Olsen just used UK to leverage more money outa UofA...

But who do you have on your short radar for replacement? That would actually come here, or is just hoping the next guy will win a title every 5-6 years with 3 and 4 year guys?
I honestly can't think of any... I am not a fan of Beard repeating his "success" here.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Just wondering if a final four this season would change your desire to get rid of Cal? This is for those of you only clamoring for his removal. This is honestly something I am curious about. I ask because I have a friend who despises Cal, and he readily admits that even a Title this season would not change his mind. I applaud his determination and respect his stance. Was curious what the board would say.....let me know.
I will ask this. If this season continues as it is, UK misses the tourney, and has a losing season, you ok with Cal returning?
 
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RunninRichie

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LMAO you are far from educated, but you know that already. And you're a feminine puss too, good to know. You want a coach to stick around because you enjoy his puss political routine.

What a damn joke, you are absolutely pitiful.

Honestly, let's see, I've got two people on ignore. You get to be number 3!

God you self hating pussies are the worst.
You know that guy is LeadBelly right?
 

kyjeff1

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I'll fire this back at the Cal fans.
Hypothetical:
-What if we end up with 14 losses in 20/21
-lose to Louisville
-go to the NIT
-lose Clarke, Boston, Jackson, Sarr, Mintz and 2 transfers
-start 21/22 with more bad losses and fall out of the top 25 again
-lose to Louisville again
-Barely make the NCAAT and lose in the 2nd round or sweet 16
-this of course means that KU overtakes us in wins

Then what? Has he done enough to make you pumpers jump ship? My scenario is more likely to come true than the one in the, OP.

Next years team is going to be a smidge more experienced than this one but if Askew transfers, we're really screwed. You can't keep doing this with this much roster turnover.
 

RunninRichie

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I'll fire this back at the Cal fans.
Hypothetical:
-What if we end up with 14 losses in 20/21
-lose to Louisville
-go to the NIT
-lose Clarke, Boston, Jackson, Sarr, Mintz and 2 transfers
-start 21/22 with more bad losses and fall out of the top 25 again
-lose to Louisville again
-Barely make the NCAAT and lose in the 2nd round or sweet 16
-this of course means that KU overtakes us in wins

Then what? Has he done enough to make you pumpers jump ship? My scenario is more likely to come true than the one in the, OP.

Next years team is going to be a smidge more experienced than this one but if Askew transfers, we're really screwed. You can't keep doing this with this much roster turnover.
“remember, 2014? yeah, checkmate retard”
 
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morgousky

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agree with the troll part
But, Olsen just used UK to leverage more money outa UofA...

But who do you have on your short radar for replacement? That would actually come here, or is just hoping the next guy will win a title every 5-6 years with 3 and 4 year guys?
I honestly can't think of any... I am not a fan of Beard repeating his "success" here.

Id call the usual suspects. The obvious choices and gauge interest. Then Beard would be the first call. Followed by the rest of the up and comers who look like they could win here.

So essentially I’d handle it the way we’ve always handled it.

I don’t personally see why some don’t think Bears is a good hire. He’s the best up and comer in the game. You can’t do what he’s done at Texas tech and suck at UK.
 
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Backer cutter

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I'll fire this back at the Cal fans.
Hypothetical:
-What if we end up with 14 losses in 20/21
-lose to Louisville
-go to the NIT
-lose Clarke, Boston, Jackson, Sarr, Mintz and 2 transfers
-start 21/22 with more bad losses and fall out of the top 25 again
-lose to Louisville again
-Barely make the NCAAT and lose in the 2nd round or sweet 16
-this of course means that KU overtakes us in wins

Then what? Has he done enough to make you pumpers jump ship? My scenario is more likely to come true than the one in the, OP.

Next years team is going to be a smidge more experienced than this one but if Askew transfers, we're really screwed. You can't keep doing this with this much roster turnover.
I don’t want them to jump ship. Would rather just wallow in the hog lot than share a giant bathtub with those crazies.
 

morgousky

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I will ask this. If this season continues as it is, UK misses the tourney, and has a losing season, you ok with Cal returning?

Honestly, they probably are. Cal is a salesman, he’s sold many of them that he’s the best they can do, so just be quiet and let him get rich.

There are a few fans honestly that would keep Cal after 3 straight NIT appearances.
 

Doc4UK!

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Well I sorta agree. It would be better for all parties involved if he just walked away. If I thought he was capable of change, I wouldn’t want him gone either. But I saw a few years ago, he isn’t going to change. Hell, you can almost see the divots under the bench.

Not sure Cal at this point can change the perception of this program from a OAD to something far different. It is his method of selling the program and he would have to market himself and the program in a completely different light. On the other hand Barnhart should use all of his influence to force college basketball to shape an agreement with the NBA and with the players union to adopt the same agreement that exists with the NFL and Major League Baseball ie if you go to college you must stay for three years to be eligible for the pro draft. Otherwise go pro out of high school for better or worse.
 

morgousky

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Im giving him this year and next. No improvement, let’s make a change.

I'm sure you would, I was more talking about a few others. If Cal goes to the NIT this season, he should be told improve fast or it's over. That would be 18% of his tenure we were in the NIT. He might say all the right things, but his results are below UK standards, at least the last half decade.
 

Woodrow24

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Id call the usual suspects. The obvious choices and gauge interest. Then Beard would be the first call. Followed by the rest of the up and comers who look like they could win here.

So essentially I’d handle it the way we’ve always handled it.

I don’t personally see why some don’t think Bears is a good hire. He’s the best up and comer in the game. You can’t do what he’s done at Texas tech and suck at UK.
Beards going to make a hell of a coach for someone. Like I’ve pointed out to you before from my old account, it’s always interesting to read the negative comments people make about him, without ever mentioning the success he has had at that historically bad school.
 

Will Bithers

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he can have his lifetime contract, but that doesn't guarantee working conditions he finds tolerable.

Cal isn't the only one that can manipulate the fan base. A few well placed "concerns" to the media about whether our coach is committed to UK and living in Lexington becomes intolerable.

and truth is I wouldn't have to . Another start to a season like this and fans will be lining up to tee off on him.

Cal isn't subjecting his family to that environment.
There really isn't anything you could do. If you try colluding with others to make his work conditions or life unbearable, not only will UK come out looking awful, they will also face legal action and a larger than life financial payout.

Most fans are pretty onboard with keeping Cal for a long time.

Cal and his family love getting this fanbase fired up. If they start treating him or his family bad, expect the ramifications to be far worse for UK and fand than for Cal and co. He can easily move his family out of state and just run the program so far into the ground it can't recover. His wife and dogs are the only ones that live here still.
 

kyjeff1

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“remember, 2014? yeah, checkmate retard”
Yeah, these guys think tournament runs like that one happen all the time. We man never see another run like that ever.
Funny thing is, the run UConn went on to win the thing was just as impressive, if not more impressive. But I don’t know if we'll ever see.it again. That run was crazy.
Of course, we followed 2014 up with a bear historical run. Know why? Because key players returned. If they didn’t, we would have struggled.
 

morgousky

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Yeah, these guys think tournament runs like that one happen all the time. We man never see another run like that ever.
Funny thing is, the run UConn went on to win the thing was just as impressive, if not more impressive. But I don’t know if we'll ever see.it again. That run was crazy.
Of course, we followed 2014 up with a bear historical run. Know why? Because key players returned. If they didn’t, we would have struggled.

That only happened because of some serious alpha freshman that we will not see together again. I hate to tell everyone, but Randle is the most underrated player in the history of Kentucky basketball. He was that good.

It's an outlier, it always was, and that's why a ****** coach like Ollie was able to to take it from us. It was simply a fortunate situation.
 
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kyjeff1

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That only happened because of some serious alpha freshman that we will not see together again. I hate to tell everyone, but Randle is the most underrated player in the history of Kentucky basketball. He was that good.

It's an outlier, it always was, and that's why a ****** coach like Ollie was able to to take it from us. It was simply a fortunate situation.
You can't combine the toughness of any two players on this current team and have them equal to Randle. That guy would bulldoze right through anyone and everyone on this team.
 

Jazzycat

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Warning: This is my opinion.
I do not see the logic of firing Calipari for starting 1-4. This is 2020 after all with a pandemic threatening to end sports this year and having a complete turnover in the roster ie no returning experience or leadership. Those factors put UK at a distinct disadvantage with any team that has two and three year veterans playing right off the bat.

This group appears to have the athletic ability and talent but, are clearly yet to be a meshed squad. With a shortened practice and game prep schedule, these elements that helped develop the team in the past are not existent for this season and it has really hurt. I also wonder if losing Kenny Payne is a factor. He seemed to always be a calming, resolute counterpoint to Calipari’s mercurial temperament. We may be witnessing this as well.

Calipari is a hall of fame coach who has won at a 79% clip. He didn’t suddenly forget how to win games. He obviously is struggling with this group and trying to make changes that will help them to start playing better as evidenced by the come back to Notre Dame.

I am willing to give him time to get this group focused and playing team basketball at a winning level which he has shown ability to do in the past. He and his staff will figure things out and so will the team. I prefer to wait and see and give things time.
 

KyFaninNC

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Warning: This is my opinion.
I do not see the logic of firing Calipari for starting 1-4. This is 2020 after all with a pandemic threatening to end sports this year and having a complete turnover in the roster ie no returning experience or leadership. Those factors put UK at a distinct disadvantage with any team that has two and three year veterans playing right off the bat.

This group appears to have the athletic ability and talent but, are clearly yet to be a meshed squad. With a shortened practice and game prep schedule, these elements that helped develop the team in the past are not existent for this season and it has really hurt. I also wonder if losing Kenny Payne is a factor. He seemed to always be a calming, resolute counterpoint to Calipari’s mercurial temperament. We may be witnessing this as well.

Calipari is a hall of fame coach who has won at a 79% clip. He didn’t suddenly forget how to win games. He obviously is struggling with this group and trying to make changes that will help them to start playing better as evidenced by the come back to Notre Dame.

I am willing to give him time to get this group focused and playing team basketball at a winning level which he has shown ability to do in the past. He and his staff will figure things out and so will the team. I prefer to wait and see and give things time.
And next year will be a repeat of this one and you will still be on the Cal train while KU passes us in all time wins.
 

jrpross_rivals

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Im giving him this year and next. No improvement, let’s make a change.
That’s kinda where I’m at. They ended last season really positively and the PJ/Herro/Travis team could easily have made the final 4, so I’m not ready to toss Cal now after 5 games. But I do get the frustration. If this season doesn’t get any better and they miss the tournament, I’d still be personally in favor of another year, but if next year goes basically the same way, I’d be ready to move on.
 

Blueaz

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Id call the usual suspects. The obvious choices and gauge interest. Then Beard would be the first call. Followed by the rest of the up and comers who look like they could win here.

So essentially I’d handle it the way we’ve always handled it.

I don’t personally see why some don’t think Bears is a good hire. He’s the best up and comer in the game. You can’t do what he’s done at Texas tech and suck at UK.
handle as always before...?

Hall was on staff and replaced Rupp
Sutton was thought to be a good hire... ouch
Pitino was only here because of his ego... CM tried to talk him out of it. We were lucky to get him, if iirc he was third or forth choice
Tubby was picked by RP
BCG should I say anymore
Cal...and everyone knew it should be Cal

So, the way it has been handled in the past 50 years, not a great track record. Just sayin.
It has either been predetermined (Hall and Tubby or kinda fallen in our lap (RP and Cal) or sucked *** (sutton and bcg).
I don't trust the process... it hasn't proven to be that great
 

Blueaz

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Honestly, they probably are. Cal is a salesman, he’s sold many of them that he’s the best they can do, so just be quiet and let him get rich.

There are a few fans honestly that would keep Cal after 3 straight NIT appearances.
meh, I don't think so...
you or I could take them to the NIT
 
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And next year will be a repeat of this one and you will still be on the Cal train while KU passes us in all time wins.
Lol, you care way too much about a careless, useless metric.

If we’ve won the most games and still trail most titles by 3, it's nothing more than a consolation prize.

KU having 3 titles and 2nd most wins should tell you all you need to know. If Gonzaga stays in that ****** conference they play in, they will eventually pass everyone with 0 titles so far. Hell, WKU is top 15 on the all time wins list!
 
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I wouldn't, If I'm in that position, I sit Cal down and I tell him what's what, I tell him what his goals for next season are and what I expect and I tell him that I expect him to meet those goals. That includes player retention, bench development and scheduling. I"d tell him I expect the best players out on the floor for winning games in November as well as March and If he balked at that I'd ask him to consider his options at the end of the season.

Then I'd quietly start sending out feelers to gauge interest in coaches, develop a short list and choose the best I could, even if it meant a gatekeeper until someone else came available.

Bottom line if Cal isn't interested in changing to improve UK's position of winning, then keeping him is just delaying the inevitable. Why not pull the band aid off and get the healing process started. Right now we have a coach talking about hitting rock bottom to teach a lesson, he's said in the past that being committed to players means we may lose games and he says that we need to play the biggest cupcake schedule we realistically can in order to give him time to teach players how to play the game. If I'm an AD, I'd tell him that is about the biggest load of bs the coach of Kentucky can say to me at the moment and that isn't what he was hired to do.

I'm sure you expected me to say Beard , Stevens or Few but it doesn't really matter who I say, the issue is more about - is Cal committed to winning or his system? - and his answer would determine what I'd do next. My obligation is to put someone in charge of the UK program that is dedicated to do everything they can to win.
If Cal doesn't want to , next man up

You know that kind of one on one conversation with John Calipari is destined to flat out fail. He is not going to change his coaching style because of what some athletic director says. You might as well ask for his resignation because he will tender it right then and there. So, if you want to run him off, then attempt to preach to him like you outlined. You may get two sentences out before he walks out the door.

What UK fans fail to appreciate is that all of these top shelf players do not come to the University of Kentucky.because of its storied reputation. They come to UK because of John Calipari and they will follow him wherever he goes because he is the coach. During the last several years of Tubby Smith and certainly the two years of Billy Gillespie, UK fans would be thrilled if we signed one or two players in the top 30 and our performance reflected the poor talent that came to UK.

Now. some UK fans are irritated that Cal is not getting his teams to the Final Four at the same rate as he did during his first 6 years. Some fans want to pull the plug and get rid of him. This is nonsense. Cal is “winning“ on par with best teams in the nation. The records affirm this reality as I cited above. Cal doesn’t need the University of Kentucky. The University of Kentucky needs Cal OR someone of equal or greater abilities. But, who is that person? Who do you believe can come in after Cal and equal or exceed his performance including the handling of the high demands of Big Blue Nation? You, as the AD better make sure you can answer this question and it better turn out to be the correct one or the next message board posts on Rupp Rafters will be coming after you

I’m as frustrated as any UK fan with the play of this year‘s team. I am disappointed UK has not been to the final four in 4 years (this year didn’t count due to Covid) but when I look at UK‘s history with other coaches after Adolph Rupp, I’m very pleased with John Calipari. Joe Hall was never embraced by the UK fans despite the fact he won a national title and went to 3 final fours in 13 years. The fans whined the “B” in Joe’s middle name was for “Boring”. “He wouldn’t let the guards shoot”. “He played methodical throw it inside to the post basketball.” “I’m glad Joe left”.

Joe’s replacement, Eddie Sutton was criticized by the fans for playing slow down “Hank Iba basketball”. “Eddie required a minimum of 7 passes before anyone could shoot.“ “Eddie was a drunk.“ Then, Eddie was gone. Fortunately, Rick Pitino rescued us. He could have had an iconic tenure had he stayed at UK but his ego wouldn’t let him. He went downhill thereafter.

Tubby was constantly ripped on this board and elsewhere after his his first few years. “Tubby has to go.” “Tubby can’t recruit.” “Fire Tubby in the tunnel.” Tubby left with one national title.

Then, Billy showed up, an apocalyptical disaster. Enough said. When Billy left UK had been nationally irrelevant for a decade. Cal made us instantly relevant. . John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and the others were not coming to UK until Cal became the coach. UK has been more highly profiled than at any time since Rick Pitino was the coach.

Cal’s teams have always improved. This year will be no different. I’ve yet to see anyone make the case that Cal should be replaced and that their coaching selection will equal or improve upon Cal’s success.
 
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Warning: This is my opinion.
I do not see the logic of firing Calipari for starting 1-4. This is 2020 after all with a pandemic threatening to end sports this year and having a complete turnover in the roster ie no returning experience or leadership. Those factors put UK at a distinct disadvantage with any team that has two and three year veterans playing right off the bat.

This group appears to have the athletic ability and talent but, are clearly yet to be a meshed squad. With a shortened practice and game prep schedule, these elements that helped develop the team in the past are not existent for this season and it has really hurt. I also wonder if losing Kenny Payne is a factor. He seemed to always be a calming, resolute counterpoint to Calipari’s mercurial temperament. We may be witnessing this as well.

Calipari is a hall of fame coach who has won at a 79% clip. He didn’t suddenly forget how to win games. He obviously is struggling with this group and trying to make changes that will help them to start playing better as evidenced by the come back to Notre Dame.


well said.

I am willing to give him time to get this group focused and playing team basketball at a winning level which he has shown ability to do in the past. He and his staff will figure things out and so will the team. I prefer to wait and see and give things time.

well said Jazzy
 

TankedCat

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You know that kind of one on one conversation with John Calipari is destined to flat out fail. He is not going to change his coaching style because of what some athletic directs says. You might as well ask for his resignation because he will tender it right then and there. So, if you want to run him off, then attempt to preach to him like you outlined. You may get two sentences out before he walks out the door.

yes, and he should. Any Coach unwilling to change when something isn't working should be shown the door and given an option to "make it his decision"


What UK fans fail to appreciate is that all of these top shelf players do not come to the University of Kentucky.because of its storied reputation. They come to UK because of John Calipari and they will follow him wherever he goes because he is the coach. During the last several years of Tubby Smith and certainly the two years of Billy Gillespie, UK fans would be thrilled if we signed one or two players in the top 30 and our performance reflected the poor talent that came to UK.


No argument, but we have 1 title. Your basis and belief in Calipari is he is doing something here that another accomplished coach cannot do solely because he is capable of recruiting very good players. We don't hang banners for recruiting titles. What you are not acknowledging is unless he loads a team up with the very best players, (and some very good veterans) he hasn't shown he can win a title. And he isn't recruiting the very best players. Duke beat him at his own game after only trying it for 2 years and consequently their OAD's beat ours by 34 points.

If that isn't a wake up call I don't know what is. Yea, you can argue that we get better in March or whatever, you can talk about how we should have won it if not for a bad ref against UNC, but after awhile, its just a list of excuses that continues to grow each year as justification for why we aren't what we were from 2011-2015.

The environment has changed. Cal has not. Matter of fact, if anything, he has become more entrenched in a system that can't win. Did you ever think you'd see a UK team on the floor where not a single player wore a UK uniform the year before? Who believes that is any way to develop a national title contending team? We are closer to that now EVERY year than we are returning a core group of players. I seriously don't understand why people don't realize the madness of that situation.

Cal is more than capable of getting us back to glory days of 8 years ago but its not happening with a 75% score roster turnover year after year, starting kids that should be studying for their ACT at the point and stubbornly committing to the development of players at the expense of losing games. We can't beat teams with OADs and we can't beat teams with good veteran players. We can't count on his teams to show up and beat the teams they should in a one and out tourney.

If you think that is the formula for future success so be it, I do not, and while I think we'll continue to see a mix of bad years and a ceiling of elite 8 with highs and lows under Cal if he stays, that isn't what this program is about. He is no better than an average coach who is a gatekeeper in that scenario, and in the meantime other blue blood programs pull closer and reach more highs than Kentucky while we wait for Cal to get his fill and start looking at retirement homes in Boca Raton.

I say change or hit the road, and I expect fans to hold him accountable - on call in shows, in public, at games until one of the two happens.
 
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You know that kind of one on one conversation with John Calipari is destined to flat out fail. He is not going to change his coaching style because of what some athletic directs says. You might as well ask for his resignation because he will tender it right then and there. So, if you want to run him off, then attempt to preach to him like you outlined. You may get two sentences out before he walks out the door.

What UK fans fail to appreciate is that all of these top shelf players do not come to the University of Kentucky.because of its storied reputation. They come to UK because of John Calipari and they will follow him wherever he goes because he is the coach. During the last several years of Tubby Smith and certainly the two years of Billy Gillespie, UK fans would be thrilled if we signed one or two players in the top 30 and our performance reflected the poor talent that came to UK.

Now. some UK fans are irritated that Cal is not getting his teams to the Final Four at the same rate as he did during his first 6 years. Some fans want to pull the plug and get rid of him. This is nonsense. Cal is “winning“ on par with best teams in the nation. The records affirm this reality as I cited above. Cal doesn’t need the University of Kentucky. The University of Kentucky needs Cal OR someone of equal or greater abilities. But, who is that person? Who do you believe can come in after Cal and equal or exceed his performance including the handling of the high demands of Big Blue Nation? You, as the AD better make sure you can answer this question and it better turn out to be the correct one or the next message board posts on Rupp Rafters will be coming after you

I’m as frustrated as any UK fan with the play of this year‘s team. I am disappointed UK has not been to the final four in 4 years (this year didn’t count due to Covid) but when I look at UK‘s history with other coaches after Adolph Rupp, I’m very pleased with John Calipari. Joe Hall was never embraced by the UK fans despite the fact he won a national title and went to 3 final fours in 13 years. The fans whined the “B” in Joe’s middle name was for “Boring”. “He wouldn’t let the guards shoot”. “He played methodical throw it inside to the post basketball.” “I’m glad Joe left”.

Joe’s replacement, Eddie Sutton was criticized by the fans for playing slow down “Hank Iba basketball”. “Eddie required a minimum of 7 passes before anyone could shoot.“ “Eddie was a drunk.“ Then, Eddie was gone. Fortunately, Rick Pitino rescued us. He could have had an iconic tenure had he stayed at UK but his ego wouldn’t let him. He went downhill thereafter.

Tubby was constantly ripped on this board and elsewhere after his his first few years. “Tubby has to go.” “Tubby can’t recruit.” “Fire Tubby in the tunnel.” Tubby left with one national title.

Then, Billy showed up, an apocalyptical disaster. Enough said. When Billy left UK had been nationally irrelevant for a decade. Cal made us instantly relevant. . John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and the others were not coming to UK until Cal became the coach. UK has been more highly profiled than at any time since Rick Pitino was the coach.

Cal’s teams have always improved. This year will be no different. I’ve yet to see anyone make the case that Cal should be replaced and that their coaching selection will equal or improve upon Cal’s success.
 

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I do not see the logic of firing Calipari for starting 1-4. This is 2020 after all with a pandemic threatening to end sports this year and having a complete turnover in the roster ie no returning experience or leadership. Those factors put UK at a distinct disadvantage with any team that has two and three year veterans playing right off the bat.

This group appears to have the athletic ability and talent but, are clearly yet to be a meshed squad. With a shortened practice and game prep schedule, these elements that helped develop the team in the past are not existent for this season and it has really hurt. I also wonder if losing Kenny Payne is a factor. He seemed to always be a calming, resolute counterpoint to Calipari’s mercurial temperament. We may be witnessing this as well.

Calipari is a hall of fame coach who has won at a 79% clip. He didn’t suddenly forget how to win games. He obviously is struggling with this group and trying to make changes that will help them to start playing better as evidenced by the come back to Notre Dame.

I am willing to give him time to get this group focused and playing team basketball at a winning level which he has shown ability to do in the past. He and his staff will figure things out and so will the team. I prefer to wait and see and give things time.
I think folks are taking this covid excuse Cal threw out and running with it. He had 42 days with this team before their 1st game. FORTY TWO. They had more practice time this year than any year Cal has been here.
What most are upset about is the constant turnover of the roster. You cannot build cohesion when you're having to introduce yourself to everyone to learn their names.
You're actually making the arguement for those that are upset.
Cal's best teams had experience players mixed in with elite freshman. UK has 10 new players to their team this year. That is not a recipe for a successful team or season.
The problem is not so much this year per se, it's the trend that has been happening for a few years now. It's just caught up with Cal this year, but he hasn't realized it or he has and just sin't going to change.
If this year becomes what it appears it will, how will next year be any better? Several will leave regardless if theyr'ere ready and it will be deja vu all over again.
Those that are upset realize that it's not likely Cal will change his approach or his style of play. This year shows how poorly this team is put together.
Five games in and Cal decides Clarke is the PG. It didn't dawn on him during all those practices or the the other 4 games that PG was a problem on this team?
 
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yes, and he should. Any Coach unwilling to change when something isn't working should be shown the door and given an option to "make it his decision"





No argument, but we have 1 title. Your basis and belief in Calipari is he is doing something here that another accomplished coach cannot do solely because he is capable of recruiting very good players. We don't hang banners for recruiting titles. What you are not acknowledging is unless he loads a team up with the very best players, (and some very good veterans) he hasn't shown he can win a title. And he isn't recruiting the very best players. Duke beat him at his own game after only trying it for 2 years and consequently their OAD's beat ours by 34 points.

If that isn't a wake up call I don't know what is. Yea, you can argue that we get better in March or whatever, you can talk about how we should have won it if not for a bad ref against UNC, but after awhile, its just a list of excuses that continues to grow each year as justification for why we aren't what we were from 2011-2015.

The environment has changed. Cal has not. Matter of fact, if anything, he has become more entrenched in a system that can't win. Did you ever think you'd see a UK team on the floor where not a single player wore a UK uniform the year before? Who believes that is any way to develop a national title contending team? We are close to that now EVERY year than we are returning a core group of players.

Cal is more than capable of getting us back to that spot, but its not happening with a 75% score roster turnover year after year, starting kids that should be studying for their ACT at the point and stubbornly committing to the development of players at the expense of losing games.

If you think that is the formula for future success so be it, I do not, and while I think we'll continue to see a mix of bad years and elite 8 with highs and lows under Cal if he stays, that isn't what this program is about. He is no better than an average coach who is a gatekeeper in that scenario, and in the meantime other blue blood programs pull closer and reach more highs than Kentucky while we wait for Cal to get his fill and start looking at retirement homes in Boca Raton.

I say change or hit the road, and I expect fans to hold him accountable - on call in shows, in public, at games.

After all of your posts in this thread m, you still haven’t answered the seminal question Mr. Athletics Director. After Cal tells you to shove it when attempt to preach to him about how to coach and reach your goals. Firing is easy. “Cal you are done here!” Now, what are going to do? You have 4 million members of Big Blue Nation ready to rip you apart if UK slips at all from Cal’s success. Who are you going to hire to equal or exceed Cal’s success? Make the case for Cal’s successor.