Would A Final Four Change Your Perception

[BlueWorldOrder74]

That wasn't my point. But I do care about the head coach of UK promoting an organization that promotes the destruction of the Black family, and he did not stick up for the Rupp's at all. He's a charlatan coward, I don't care what anyone says. The man stood shoulder to shoulder with the Rupp family, then stuck a knife in their back.

We have allowed that man to make a mockery of an academic institution, our traditions, and the people who made this program what it is.

So I'm not okay with it, and he doesn't win enough to deal with it.

Cal never stabbed the Rupps in the back. He did a few things:
- publicly said he was willing to listen and learn about any issues his team or the African American Studies community wanted to discuss at UK
- publicly stated that he knew the Rupp family and didn’t feel that changing the name of Rupp was warranted
- publicly stated that he thought the requests of the AA Community at UK (professors in particular) were not about just changing the name of Rupp Arena, but of issues that maybe we all needed to understand better

his quote:
“From what I understand (the African-American and Africana Studies program) were talking about a lot of different things,” Calipari said via Zoom on Wednesday. “This is another chance for us to listen and learn. Some people agree, some people are not going to agree. I would tell you for me personally, knowing the (Rupp) family, knowing Herky (Adolph Rupp’s son) like I did, what’s out there that tells me it’s something different?”

to me / this is easy to see / he is saying with his relationship with the family, he sees no evidence that Rupp or his family has earned the racist tag, and that he feels the calling for the name change is not warranted. Of course, this is just my take away.

 

[Emarc]

Any CBB coach who didn’t embrace a movement seen as vital to an overwhelming percentage of their team would be stupid. Who knows anyone’s personal opinions? What’s Cal gonna do, come out and say this BLM **** is stupid? Stay quiet and not support his team? Can’t do either of those. He did what he should have done. Be a man and don’t let someone’s else’s actions hurt your feelings. Pretty easy really.

I agree and It speaks volumns that you have to state this

 

[KyFaninNC]

Cal never stabbed the Rupps in the back. He did a few things:
- publicly said he was willing to listen and learn about any issues his team or the African American Studies community wanted to discuss at UK
- publicly stated that he knew the Rupp family and didn’t feel that changing the name of Rupp was warranted
- publicly stated that he thought the requests of the AA Community at UK (professors in particular) were not about just changing the name of Rupp Arena, but of issues that maybe we all needed to understand better

his quote:
“From what I understand (the African-American and Africana Studies program) were talking about a lot of different things,” Calipari said via Zoom on Wednesday. “This is another chance for us to listen and learn. Some people agree, some people are not going to agree. I would tell you for me personally, knowing the (Rupp) family, knowing Herky (Adolph Rupp’s son) like I did, what’s out there that tells me it’s something different?”

to me / this is easy to see / he is saying with his relationship with the family, he sees no evidence that Rupp or his family has earned the racist tag, and that he feels the calling for the name change is not warranted. Of course, this is just my take away.

Your right to take it that way, but I think you really want it to be that way. I don’t. Cal mucked that whole thing up.

 

[Will Bithers]

LMAO you are far from educated, but you know that already. And you're a feminine puss too, good to know. You want a coach to stick around because you enjoy his puss political routine.

What a damn joke, you are absolutely pitiful.

Honestly, let's see, I've got two people on ignore. You get to be number 3!

God you self hating pussies are the worst.

Guess I struck a nerve. Must be the same one Cal hit!!!

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

We've made Final Fours under Cal as 4 and 8 seeds and have flamed out at 2 seeds. If we are good enough, we are good enough.

Lol that 8 seed needed 2 lucky shots to advance. I wouldn’t count on it every trip.

 

[morgousky]

Cal never stabbed the Rupps in the back. He did a few things:
- publicly said he was willing to listen and learn about any issues his team or the African American Studies community wanted to discuss at UK
- publicly stated that he knew the Rupp family and didn’t feel that changing the name of Rupp was warranted
- publicly stated that he thought the requests of the AA Community at UK (professors in particular) were not about just changing the name of Rupp Arena, but of issues that maybe we all needed to understand better

his quote:
“From what I understand (the African-American and Africana Studies program) were talking about a lot of different things,” Calipari said via Zoom on Wednesday. “This is another chance for us to listen and learn. Some people agree, some people are not going to agree. I would tell you for me personally, knowing the (Rupp) family, knowing Herky (Adolph Rupp’s son) like I did, what’s out there that tells me it’s something different?”

to me / this is easy to see / he is saying with his relationship with the family, he sees no evidence that Rupp or his family has earned the racist tag, and that he feels the calling for the name change is not warranted. Of course, this is just my take away.

We just won't agree here. Cal stabbed them in the back when he didn't take up for the family and put it to bed. He's a coward, Rupp is not here to defend himself but Cal has spent 10 years pumping that man's accomplishments to bolster his job title.

He can spin it around "listening" all he wants. I'll tell ya what, when your family tells people you might be a racist piece of ****, and they're willing to listen to people that think you are, we'll talk about how you feel about that. Until then, you don't have a leg to stand on here. Rupp is in the ground, his son is in the ground, the only people who can defend them are the people like John Calipari who refused to do it. He used his typical word speak to dance around it and leave it open.

I'm a UK die hard, our past coaches deserve the respect. There has never been a shred of verifiable proof Rupp was racist, but Cal went the neutral route. There's really nothing else to discuss on this topic.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Your right to take it that way, but I think you really want it to be that way. I don’t. Cal mucked that whole thing up.

We just differ in thought then. Put yourself in his shoes; on a live zoom, in front of his team, all past players and families, the university, the Rupp family, all who he cares about and has relationship with. Dude straddled the line about as best he could. He comes out and says something definitively one way or the other, he pisses off an entire group that he can’t afford to piss off. He did what he could, and answered those questions the way he planned it out with probably every group I mentioned. You guys freaking out over that entire episode are just looking for more reasons to stand behind. Don’t Want him here, fine, but he didn’t “force” any of you to change your views on the world, and he didn’t “stab” Herky in the back. Herky is fine; matter of fact, he still on good standing with that ******* Calipari.

 

[morgousky]

One last question for @The_Answer1313

What's the outlier?

18.1% NIT bids in 11 years (at UK)

or

1 title in 11 years due to an NBA lockout and a player he didn't recruit?

 

[TheWyldKat_rivals45219]

Just wondering if a final four this season would change your desire to get rid of Cal? This is for those of you only clamoring for his removal. This is honestly something I am curious about. I ask because I have a friend who despises Cal, and he readily admits that even a Title this season would not change his mind. I applaud his determination and respect his stance. Was curious what the board would say.....let me know.

Yes it would, also having a money tree, flying dragon, and a Lamborghini but none of that is happening either LOL

 

[morgousky]

We just differ in thought then. Put yourself in his shoes; on a live zoom, in front of his team, all past players and families, the university, the Rupp family, all who he cares about and has relationship with. Dude straddled the line about as best he could. He comes out and says something definitively one way or the other, he pisses off an entire group that he can’t afford to piss off. He did what he could, and answered those questions the way he planned it out with probably every group I mentioned. You guys freaking out over that entire episode are just looking for more reasons to stand behind. Don’t Want him here, fine, but he didn’t “force” any of you to change your views on the world, and he didn’t “stab” Herky in the back. Herky is fine; matter of fact, he still on good standing with that ******* Calipari.

You're making assumptions that you have no basis for.

Calipari is respected in the Black community. People listen him and what he has to say. If Cal had said everyone has this wrong and here's why, people would have listened. We weren't asking him to dismantle the idea of the movement, even though I would have personally. I don't think he looks good supporting a group like that.

He was asked to support the Rupp family, the UK family, with the knowledge he has about them. He did not do that. That's his choice and there's no running from it.

 

[UK_born_b_bread]

Just wondering if a final four this season would change your desire to get rid of Cal? This is for those of you only clamoring for his removal. This is honestly something I am curious about. I ask because I have a friend who despises Cal, and he readily admits that even a Title this season would not change his mind. I applaud his determination and respect his stance. Was curious what the board would say.....let me know.

No.

 

[Will Bithers]

We weren't rejected often. there are different situations in different times.

Billy Donovan flirted with the UK job, had a contract drawn up, and nearly became the UK head coach in the middle of title runs at Florida. The only reason he turned it down was because he ended up wanting the NBA. Had he wanted to stay in college he'd be at UK right now.

Who else? Olson? He accepted the job but didn't have the stomach to go through with it. He wanted it too, just couldn't make the jump.

Who are all of these coaches who have turned UK down?

I don't think you're a UK fan to be honest, I think you're a troll of another team that's here to stir the pot.

Lol, no he didn't. Donovan turned them down upfront when they expressed interest. Lol, he did stay in college. That was in 2007 when he almost took the Magic job and backed out after it was announced it would take it. He was then offered again in 2009 and turned it down.

Again, no, Olsen didn't either.

Izzo, Wright, Donovan (2 times), Barnes are the first 4 that come to mind.

No, you don't! You know I am a UK fan, you just don't like the fact you can't refute what I am stating. Instead it is easier for you to resort to ad hominem attacks.

 

[richbrookstomato]

also, this idea that Cal tells UK what our priorities should be versus the other way around is complete BS.

You were handed a program with the responsibility of carrying on the traditions associated with it. Not to go off in a direction of eliminating them one by one if they became too burdonsome for you to continue.

I think the general fan consensus is Cal - STFU and win. that's your job and you suck at it.

SPOT ON!!!
He's getting paid nearly $10 million/year to keep UK "The Gold Standard" of college basketball(HIS OWN WORDS)!!

He has allowed the 3 point streak to end, he's taken away EVERY big out of conference game in Rupp except UofL every other year, he's taken away Senior night because we RARELY have one that has been here 4 years, he's on the verge of losing the overall wins lead and he hasn't taken a strong enough stand AGAINST removing Rupp's name from our home arena.

On top of all of that he used UK Basketball's Twitter and Facebook sites to lump UK Fans in with the social unrest going on in the rest of the country when we treat ALL of our players like KINGS!!!!!

So he DARN WELL BETTER make a FREAKIN Final 4 and WIN another championship!!!!!

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

You're making assumptions that you have no basis for.

Calipari is respected in the Black community. People listen him and what he has to say. If Cal had said everyone has this wrong and here's why, people would have listened. We weren't asking him to dismantle the idea of the movement, even though I would have personally. I don't think he looks good supporting a group like that.

He was asked to support the Rupp family, the UK family, with the knowledge he has about them. He did not do that. That's his choice and there's no running from it.

disagree. And that’s ok. Cal is not required to defend anyone. And he did say that knowing the Rupp family, he saw no evidence that there should be a name change. That’s pretty much the bulk of it. He didn’t need to go on a crusade to build support for AR. Still named Rupp, so I’m guessing Cal and his entire PR team of pros realized that a flash in the pan wasn’t worth entrenching himself tighter than Japanese infantrymen on Iwo Jima. No need.

 

[morgousky]

SPOT ON!!!
He's getting paid nearly $10 million/year to keep UK "The Gold Standard" of college basketball(HIS OWN WORDS)!!

He has allowed the 3 point streak to end, he's taken away EVERY big out of conference game in Rupp except UofL every other year, he's taken away Senior night because we RARELY have one that has been here 4 years, he's on the verge of losing the overall wins lead and he hasn't taken a strong enough stand AGAINST removing Rupp's name from our home arena.

On top of all of that he used UK Basketball's Twitter and Facebook sites to lump UK Fans in with the social unrest going on in the rest of the country when we treat ALL of our players like KINGS!!!!!

So he DARN WELL BETTER make a FREAKIN Final 4 and WIN another championship!!!!!

The fact is none of this matters. There will be no final four, and when we go back to the NIT this year Cal's defat will be hotter than a volcano. BY next season if things don't start looking different, he will be on his way out the door one way or another, and no one here will be able to do anything about it.

 

[morgousky]

disagree. And that’s ok. Cal is not required to defend anyone. And he did say that knowing the Rupp family, he saw no evidence that there should be a name change. That’s pretty much the bulk of it. He didn’t need to go on a crusade to build support for AR. Still named Rupp, so I’m guessing Cal and his entire PR team of pros realized that a flash in the pan wasn’t worth entrenching himself tighter than Japanese infantrymen on Iwo Jima. No need.

Show me where Calipari said "I know the Rupp family and I see no evidence to support a name change".

 

[Emarc]

we are learning much about some posters.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

The fact is none of this matters. There will be no final four, and when we go back to the NIT this year Cal's defat will be hotter than a volcano. BY next season if things don't start looking different, he will be on his way out the door one way or another, and no one here will be able to do anything about it.

we go to the NIT his seat should be warming up. I agree with that. Another year of poor play after this one and I’ll start bitching a lot more.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Show me where Calipari said "I know the Rupp family and I see no evidence to support a name change".

I posted it already. The quote I highlighted. If you can’t see it there, you aren’t reading it right. Maybe you need the visual. I was watching the zoom and heard it; and that’s exactly what he was saying.

 

[morgousky]

we are learning much about some posters.

Do you like Mozeliak?

 

[morgousky]

I posted it already. The quote I highlighted. If you can’t see it there, you aren’t reading it right. Maybe you need the visual. I was watching the zoom and heard it; and that’s exactly what he was saying.

I was wondering if you could quote it for me, the way you stated it?

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

I was wondering if you could quote it for me, the way you stated it?

Don’t be that guy. You know what you read. You’re a smart man.

 

[morgousky]

Don’t be that guy. You know what you read. You’re a smart man.

He absolutely didn't say what say what you said he said.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Your right to take it that way, but I think you really want it to be that way. I don’t. Cal mucked that whole thing up.

Of course you do, and that’s ok. Wouldn’t expect anything different.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

He absolutely didn't say what say what you said he said.

I’ll try to find the video. It’s exactly what I said. I’m at work though, so have to wait. I’ll probably be fired for spending this much time chatting. My wife would kill me.

 

[*CatinIL*]

I don't want Calipari fired, I just want him to put his BB priority on the BB program that pays his ENORMOUS salary, instead of the NBA draft. Hell, if draft picks is the main priority, then let the NBA pay his salary so that UK can spend that 10 MIL per year on something else.

 

[Kampus Korner_rivals164031]

Well what I really want is for Cal to be better.

I understand that. We all want the team to play better. I not only want the team to play better but I also want them to be more entertaining when they do play better. I want to see high flying dunks, incredible passes that lead to fast break baskets and shots being blocked by our bigs which fly into the 5th row. Now, that’s about my needs or wants as a fan.

Alternatively, I’ll take the success the Cats had under Cal up to 2015 but who wouldn’t? Cal certainly spoiled us with his remarkable success of going to 4 final fours and winning a national title in his first 6 years. No one else has accomplished such success during the time Cal has been at UK. Since 2015, Cal has been to the round of 32, one sweet sixteen and two elite eights, one game of which they lost to North Carolina on a last second shot. Last year of course, the tournament was cancelled.

Between 2016 and 2019, Jay Wright at Villanova got hot and won 2 NCAA titles and got to the final 32 twice. Prior to 2016 dating back to the same time Cal arrived at UK, Wright’s teams only got to the round of 64 twice and the final 32 three times. In 2012, Wright‘s team was 13-19 and did not make the NC AA tournament.

During the same time Cal has been at U.K., Coach K has won 2 national titles, 3 elite eights, 2 sweet 16’s, one round of 32’s and two round of 64’s (losing in the first round)

During the same time as Cal has been at UK, Bill Self’s teams have no national titles, two trips to the Final Four, 3 elite eights, one sweet sixteen, and 4 rounds of 32.

During the same time Cal has been at U.K., Roy Williams at North Carolina has one national title, and one other trip to the final four, two elite eights, two sweet sixteens, three 32 rounds, and one year he missed NCAA tournament and went to NIT

In light of the above comparison, I see no basis whatsoever to dump Cal for some other coach. Who is going to do better? Coach K ain’t coming to UK? Roy Williams? I’ll keep Cal. Bill Self? He may come but better? Highly doubtful, Jay Wright? He thumbed at UK previously when offered the job but would he do better than Cal? Again, highly doubtful. Given the risks of not getting equal or better results, I’m sticking with Cal.

 

[morgousky]

I’ll try to find the video. It’s exactly what I said. I’m at work though, so have to wait. I’ll probably be fired for spending this much time chatting. My wife would kill me.

As long as she doesn't openly accept you might be racist and listen to people who think you are, I think you're good.

 

[morgousky]

I understand that. We all want the team to play better. I not only want the team to play better but I also want them to be more entertaining when they do play better. I want to see high flying dunks, incredible passes that lead to fast break baskets and shots being blocked by our bigs which fly into the 5th row. Now, that’s about my needs or wants as a fan.

Alternatively, I’ll take the success the Cats had under Cal up to 2015 but who wouldn’t? Cal certainly spoiled us with his remarkable success of going to 4 final fours and winning a national title in his first 6 years. No one else has accomplished such success during the time Cal has been at UK. Since 2015, Cal has been to the round of 32, one sweet sixteen and two elite eights, one game of which they lost to North Carolina on a last second shot. Last year of course, the tournament was cancelled.

Between 2016 and 2019, Jay Wright at Villanova got hot and won 2 NCAA titles and got to the final 32 twice. Prior to 2016 dating back to the same time Cal arrived at UK, Wright’s teams only got to the round of 64 twice and the final 32 three times. In 2012, Wright‘s team was 13-19 and did not make the NC AA tournament.

During the same time Cal has been at U.K., Coach K has won 2 national titles, 3 elite eights, 2 sweet 16’s, one round of 32’s and two round of 64’s (losing in the first round)

During the same time as Cal has been at UK, Bill Self’s teams have no national titles, two trips to the Final Four, 3 elite eights, one sweet sixteen, and 4 rounds of 32.

During the same time Cal has been at U.K., Roy Williams at North Carolina has one national title, and one other trip to the final four, two elite eights, two sweet sixteens, three 32 rounds, and one year he missed NCAA tournament and went to NIT

In light of the above comparison, I see no basis whatsoever to dump Cal for some other coach. Who is going to do better? Coach K ain’t coming to UK? Roy Williams? I’ll keep Cal. Bill Self? He may come but better? Highly doubtful, Jay Wright? He thumbed at UK previously when offered the job but would he do better than Cal? Again, highly doubtful. Given the risks of not getting equal or better results, I’m sticking with Cal.

I don't think this is an unreasonable post, actually. The issue is the trajectory. We aren't improving, it's getting worse, and we're losing some of our prestige if this continues. In sports management you base decisions on trajectory, not 5 years ago.

And other than that, some of you make way too many assumptions about other coaches, what they will and won't do, and then completely write off up and comers.

 

[Emarc]

Do you like Mozeliak?

his trade record is equal to our 3 point shooting percentage. Fowler is awful.

 

[morgousky]

his trade record is equal to our 3 point shooting percentage. Fowler is awful.

Just making sure. If you had said you like him I wouldn't even know what to say. He's single handedly destroying the Cardinals with his business first approach. If he allows Yadi to walk I'm done with them until he's gone.

 

[TankedCat]

I understand that. We all want the team to play better. I not only want the team to play better but I also want them to be more entertaining when they do play better. I want to see high flying dunks, incredible passes that lead to fast break baskets and shots being blocked by our bigs which fly into the 5th row. Now, that’s about my needs or wants as a fan.

Alternatively, I’ll take the success the Cats had under Cal up to 2015 but who wouldn’t? Cal certainly spoiled us with his remarkable success of going to 4 final fours and winning a national title in his first 6 years. No one else has accomplished such success during the time Cal has been at UK. Since 2015, Cal has been to the round of 32, one sweet sixteen and two elite eights, one game of which they lost to North Carolina on a last second shot. Last year of course, the tournament was cancelled.

Between 2016 and 2019, Jay Wright at Villanova got hot and won 2 NCAA titles and got to the final 32 twice. Prior to 2016 dating back to the same time Cal arrived at UK, Wright’s teams only got to the round of 64 twice and the final 32 three times. In 2012, Wright‘s team was 13-19 and did not make the NC AA tournament.

During the same time Cal has been at U.K., Coach K has won 2 national titles, 3 elite eights, 2 sweet 16’s, one round of 32’s and two round of 64’s (losing in the first round)

During the same time as Cal has been at UK, Bill Self’s teams have no national titles, two trips to the Final Four, 3 elite eights, one sweet sixteen, and 4 rounds of 32.

During the same time Cal has been at U.K., Roy Williams at North Carolina has one national title, and one other trip to the final four, two elite eights, two sweet sixteens, three 32 rounds, and one year he missed NCAA tournament and went to NIT

In light of the above comparison, I see no basis whatsoever to dump Cal for some other coach. Who is going to do better? Coach K ain’t coming to UK? Roy Williams? I’ll keep Cal. Bill Self? He may come but better? Highly doubtful, Jay Wright? He thumbed at UK previously when offered the job but would he do better than Cal? Again, highly doubtful. Given the risks of not getting equal or better results, I’m sticking with Cal.

Roy did win a title the year before Cal got here.

regardless your argument is our established guy at a blueblood program might not stack up as well against other established guys at other blueblood programs, but I'd rather have him than roll the dice on Mitch hiring a Billy Gillispie.

And its a perfectly reasonable argument, as long as you want UK to stay ahead of UL and Indiana, meanwhile the real blueblood programs appear to be on a path to be able to achieve more than we will because we're acting out of fear, not confidence. I"m not counting Villanova or UConn in that mix but I do think its important to note that its been pretty firmly established at this point during Cals time here that winning a national title with his system is no more of an advantage to UK than P5 schools do with traditional approaches.

Again, I think we're heavily invested in this system not out of a body of evidence it will work, but a fear of us getting worse results doing anything else. While I will agree with anyone the system is capable of winning a national championship , the variables required to do it are no longer within the grasp of Calipari to apply them. I believe that is a fairly obvious assessment to anyone following our current trajectory.

 

[morgousky]

Roy did win a title the year before Cal got here.

regardless your argument is our established guy at a blueblood program might not stack up as well against other established guys at other blueblood programs, but I'd rather have him than roll the dice on Mitch hiring a Billy Gillispie.

And its a perfectly reasonable argument, as long as you want UK to stay ahead of UL and Indiana, meanwhile the real blueblood programs appear to be on a path to be able to achieve more than we will because we're acting out of fear, not confidence. I"m not counting Villanova or UConn in that mix but I do think its important to note that its been pretty firmly established at this point during Cals time here that winning a national title with his system is no more of an advantage to UK than P5 schools do with traditional approaches.

Again, I think we're heavily invested in this system not out of a body of evidence it will work, but a fear of us getting worse results doing anything else. While I will agree with anyone the system is capable of winning a national championship , the variables required to do it are no longer within the grasp of Calipari to apply them.

Brother?

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

Roy did win a title the year before Cal got here.

regardless your argument is our established guy at a blueblood program might not stack up as well against other established guys at other blueblood programs, but I'd rather have him than roll the dice on Mitch hiring a Billy Gillispie.

And its a perfectly reasonable argument, as long as you want UK to stay ahead of UL and Indiana, meanwhile the real blueblood programs appear to be on a path to be able to achieve more than we will because we're acting out of fear, not confidence. I"m not counting Villanova or UConn in that mix but I do think its important to note that its been pretty firmly established at this point during Cals time here that winning a national title with his system is no more of an advantage to UK than P5 schools do with traditional approaches.

Again, I think we're heavily invested in this system not out of a body of evidence it will work, but a fear of us getting worse results doing anything else. While I will agree with anyone the system is capable of winning a national championship , the variables required to do it are no longer within the grasp of Calipari to apply them. I believe that is a fairly obvious assessment to anyone following our current trajectory.

Exactly. The system was awesome when Cal would sign the 1,3,5,7 and 10th ranked players in the class. Once he started to settle for his 2nd and 3rd choices even transfers then the playing field leveled out.

 

[Kampus Korner_rivals164031]

Roy did win a title the year before Cal got here.

regardless your argument is our established guy at a blueblood program might not stack up as well against other established guys at other blueblood programs, but I'd rather have him than roll the dice on Mitch hiring a Billy Gillispie.

And its a perfectly reasonable argument, as long as you want UK to stay ahead of UL and Indiana, meanwhile the real blueblood programs appear to be on a path to be able to achieve more than we will because we're acting out of fear, not confidence. I"m not counting Villanova or UConn in that mix but I do think its important to note that its been pretty firmly established at this point during Cals time here that winning a national title with his system is no more of an advantage to UK than P5 schools do with traditional approaches.

Again, I think we're heavily invested in this system not out of a body of evidence it will work, but a fear of us getting worse results doing anything else. While I will agree with anyone the system is capable of winning a national championship , the variables required to do it are no longer within the grasp of Calipari to apply them. I believe that is a fairly obvious assessment to anyone following our current trajectory.

If you had the sole right to pick Cal's replacement, who do you pick?

 

[morgousky]

Exactly. The system was awesome when Cal would sign the 1,3,5,7 and 10th ranked players in the class. Once he started to settle for his 2nd and 3rd choices even transfers then the playing field leveled out.

I also think people don't realize Calipari's system and championships are antithetical from the jump, and that's why his lone title came at the hands of the NBA and the player lockout. Had Jones and Lamb been allowed to leave, we have no title. Cals methods really and truly have never won a title at UK.

Isn't that ironic? RETURNING OAD'S are the reason he even has a championship.

 

[yoshukai]

Considering I don’t think Cal will ever make another final four with the model he is using, I guess the answer would have to be yes .

 

[morgousky]

If you had the sole right to pick Cal's replacement, who do you pick?

If I were him I wouldn't respond to this. You've already done this several times. You are not going to accept an answer, and you'll pretend Cal is better than the options anyway.

It's not hard. You call the usual suspects to gauge interests. After that you goto the best up and comers and make a move.

I don't know why some of you won't just accept that. It's how the process works. They either would be better than Cal, the same, or worse. You don't know until you get there.

What we do know for sure is Cals system does not work.

 

[KyFaninNC]

We just differ in thought then. Put yourself in his shoes; on a live zoom, in front of his team, all past players and families, the university, the Rupp family, all who he cares about and has relationship with. Dude straddled the line about as best he could. He comes out and says something definitively one way or the other, he pisses off an entire group that he can’t afford to piss off. He did what he could, and answered those questions the way he planned it out with probably every group I mentioned. You guys freaking out over that entire episode are just looking for more reasons to stand behind. Don’t Want him here, fine, but he didn’t “force” any of you to change your views on the world, and he didn’t “stab” Herky in the back. Herky is fine; matter of fact, he still on good standing with that ******* Calipari.

Cal took the chicken **** way out. He is nothing but a condescending salesman that does not respect his employer, the past coaches, especially the one that built the program, nor its fans. He is trash as far as I am concerned. Sometimes you have to step and be a man and stand for something. Now he is turning into a whiny little man. You simply can’t piss all over history, and fan base and expect everyone to love you. Some do as evidenced on this forum.

I am my own man. I make my own decisions. I do not and will not accept somebody else telling me how I should think and feel.

 

[KyFaninNC]

He absolutely didn't say what say what you said he said.

No. He didn’t. He danced around it like a chicken on a hot stove. John Calipari, the dancing chicken.