Wiseman ineligible

*Fox2Monk*

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Hey jace2012, thanks for the reply brother. Yeah I know what you mean, I just don’t think The kid had anything to do with the cheating part. I’m sure he just wanted to play ball with his friends. Now I do agree with you about Penny. He knew what he was doing the whole time. Saw this young man was going to be a superstar and was going to do anything he could to get his hands in there.

As for the parents, no doubt they’re just like anyone that’s new to all this and was trusting in the big Pro Penny. It’s messed up with all of it really. I just hate for someone to take advantage of a young Kid. I stand by letting him play with his team. Even if they haft to hire another coach!! That’s not going to happen of course, but we never know I guess. Honestly, they should just let him pick another school and play this year. Lol.

Now if James was the one who took money and knew about all that was going on, he should be punished to. Not the whole season though. I don’t know really what I’d do. Rules are Rules of course, but like when Kanter was here, sometimes the rules aren’t as clear cut. Again, I just hate seeing a young man like that get F’ed over by a bunch of adults.

I agree with this in general but top prospects know the game, the rules, and what’s happened before with elite athletes, most of which they know personally or from others they play with. The have a stable of people telling them what they can/can’t do as well.
 

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I agree with this in general but top prospects know the game, the rules, and what’s happened before with elite athletes, most of which they know personally or from others they play with. The have a stable of people telling them what they can/can’t do as well.
I hear you and I agree with you. I also know how easy it is for these slick talking adult big shots can make an impression on some kids. Not saying that’s what’s happened here, but it sure does seem like to me that Penny is one of those slime balls. I hope it works out for the young man, if he knowingly cheated though, that’s a different story.
 
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I hear you and I agree with you. I also know how easy it is for these slick talking adult big shots can make an impression on some kids. Not saying that’s what’s happened here, but it sure does seem like to me that Penny is one of those slime balls. I hope it works out for the young man, if he knowingly cheated though, that’s a different story.

I have to assume most kids know that 10K plus In cash from a potential coach, for any reason, has to be frowned upon. That’s one thing that’s easy to say “hey you know this is wrong.” Kinda like the rule of law reasonable person standard.
 

JASUN74

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I have to assume most kids know that 10K plus In cash from a potential coach, for any reason, has to be frowned upon. That’s one thing that’s easy to say “hey you know this is wrong.” Kinda like the rule of law reasonable person standard.

I saw where Penny gave the family money to move, I didn’t see anywhere where it says Penny gave $10,000 plus to James himself!! Maybe I missed it though and you could be right. If in fact he took that much money, of course, this isn’t even a question of guilt if he did.
 

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I saw where Penny gave the family money to move, I didn’t see anywhere where it says Penny gave $10,000 plus to James himself!! Maybe I missed it though and you could be right. If in fact he took that much money, of course, this isn’t even a question of guilt if he did.
Even Bilas, usually hostile toward the NCAA, sounded like an NCAA lawyer on this matter. LOL
 

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I'm interested to hear this judges legal theory on how an injunction is appropriate here. @UKnCincy if I understand things correctly, a preliminary injunction should only be given when the injured party is expected to win on the merits of the case. I don't see how that is possible.

The attorney’s argument is that the NCAA has, in effect, violated their own by-laws in declaring Wiseman ineligible at this time.

If the facts support that argument, then Wiseman has cause to sue due to the resulting injury. Just because you’re a private organization, that does not mean you’re immune from litigation. If a private organization fails to follow their own rules, breaches contracts or does other similar things, they open themselves up to lawsuits.

In this instance, the attorney is alleging that the the NCAA was fully aware of all of the relevant facts back in the spring and decided to declare Wiseman eligible anyway. The NCAA then revisited Wiseman’s eligibility recently without receiving any new information. In other words, the NCAA simply changed their minds without good reason. I’m skeptical of this argument, but if Wiseman’s attorney can prove that to be true, then the NCAA potentially has a problem.

Given that, and the fact that you can’t give Wiseman back any games he missed, I can understand why the judge granted this. It should be simple enough to quickly see if the facts support Wiseman’s argument. If the facts support the NCAA, then they can still go back and vacate the games afterwards.
 
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I saw where Penny gave the family money to move, I didn’t see anywhere where it says Penny gave $10,000 plus to James himself!! Maybe I missed it though and you could be right. If in fact he took that much money, of course, this isn’t even a question of guilt if he did.
There is little difference
 

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What are the repercussions for the booster...oops...I mean the coach in this scenario? Penny, unless there is something we are unaware of, has no relationship with this kid besides being his coach.
 

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Going to be interesting to see if they play him the next game. Will the NCAA make a fast decision ?
 

Shawn (uk7spd)

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What are the repercussions for the booster...oops...I mean the coach in this scenario? Penny, unless there is something we are unaware of, has no relationship with this kid besides being his coach.
Clearly nothing wrong with providing the kid/family money at the time, unless it violated the high school rules (apparently it may have), but that wouldn't impact Penny. And there is nothing wrong with it now in terms of repercussions for Penny. It just means Wiseman can't play at Memphis. However, if Penny/Memphis withheld the information about the money and the NCAA found out another way, then repercussions are certainly possible.
 

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Going to be interesting to see if they play him the next game. Will the NCAA make a fast decision ?

According to bilas the federal court will overturn the county judge on Monday. Idk why he would be playing by then if deemed ineligible BUT penny may play him anyway. He did tonight. An injunction by a county court judge did not mean penny had to put him in the game. My feeling is penny is about to do want he wants and dare the NCAA to do anything about it.
 
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Penny is trying to flex on the NCAA because they have been the cuck of UNC and others. Bilas just said that if the local restraining order is reversed Memphis could be ineligible for postseason play because they played Wiseman when the NCAA said he was ineligible. After Kanter, I have no compassion for the situation. Rules are rules. If this happened at UK he wouldn't be able to play. If a UK booster had aid for his $12K move. Penny was a booster when he did this because he gave Memphis 1 Million. He should have got your teammates and some vans and trucks to make the short move from Nashville to Memphis. This really should be case closed.
 

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Clearly nothing wrong with providing the kid/family money at the time, unless it violated the high school rules (apparently it may have), but that wouldn't impact Penny. And there is nothing wrong with it now in terms of repercussions for Penny. It just means Wiseman can't play at Memphis. However, if Penny/Memphis withheld the information about the money and the NCAA found out another way, then repercussions are certainly possible.

From what I've read Penny and the University did disclose the payment for moving expenses when Wiseman was originally ruled eligible back in May, and the NCAA cleared him. Then on October 30 the NCAA told the University they were reinvestigating the matter. Then they ruled him ineligible on the 5th of November.
 

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You guys can be thrilled to death about Memphis misfortune if you wanna, not me. Makes me siçk. Totally get it that rules are rules and blah, blah, blah. But the unevenness of Wiseman being barred from playing college basketball while Zion W. family got a million dollar home in Durham, Tyler Hansboro mommy got a really nice University position (probably a pension by now) in Chapel Hill . . . those things just do not balance for a watcher of reason. Sure, there are distinctions to excuse those lavish (and other) conditions on Tobacco road that always become no-neverminds, but let any portion of those things happen elsewhere and only zero tolerance becomes selectively tolerable. So much crap those programs have been allowed, particularly Unccheat, that Penny should be able to pay Wiseman 10 thousand each time he needs to move his filthy bowels, much less his peeps.
 

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Penny helped fund the family's move back in the day. I assumed that had already been vetted and cleared for him to have even played high school ball.

Is there something else?
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You guys can be thrilled to death about Memphis misfortune if you wanna, not me. Makes me siçk. Totally get it that rules are rules and blah, blah, blah. But the unevenness of Wiseman being barred from playing college basketball while Zion W. family got a million dollar home in Durham, Tyler Hansboro mommy got a really nice University position (probably a pension by now) in Chapel Hill . . . those things just do not balance for a watcher of reason. Sure, there are distinctions to excuse those lavish (and other) conditions on Tobacco road that always become no-neverminds, but let any portion of those things happen elsewhere and only zero tolerance becomes selectively tolerable. So much crap those programs have been allowed, particularly Unccheat, that Penny should be able to pay Wiseman 10 thousand each time he needs to move his filthy bowels, much less his peeps.

Well if the same type situation happened here I guarantee you they would nail us to the wall. After Kanter, I lost sympathy for any other school. This is just what we know about. Penny has been close to Wiseman for awhile. Wiseman was 100% coming to UK and was often quoted saying he couldn't wait to get to UK. Then Penny got involved and everything changed. Penny gave Memphis a Million dollars so he is a booster. Boosters can't give recruits $12K for anything. He knew how great Wiseman was and that he would be a lottery pick. Penny should have never mudded the water like that.

Moving for Nashville to Memphis takes $12K? I moved everything I owned and my business ( a ton of weight) from Richmond to Louisville with friends and a few Uhauls back when I was 24 for just the cost of the uhauls. If Wiseman shouldn't pay for the rule violation then Penny sure and hell should. He knew better. He's been there, done that. You can't give money out to a top kid like that and then coax him into playing for you in college and expect that it's going to be no big deal. Would Penny help the family and Wiseman if he wasn't really good at BB?
 

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Well if the same type situation happened here I guarantee you they would nail us to the wall. After Kanter, I lost sympathy for any other school. This is just what we know about. Penny has been close to Wiseman for awhile. Wiseman was 100% coming to UK and was often quoted saying he couldn't wait to get to UK. Then Penny got involved and everything changed. Penny gave Memphis a Million dollars so he is a booster. Boosters can't give recruits $12K for anything. He knew how great Wiseman was and that he would be a lottery pick. Penny should have never mudded the water like that.

Moving for Nashville to Memphis takes $12K? I moved everything I owned and my business ( a ton of weight) from Richmond to Louisville with friends and a few Uhauls back when I was 24 for just the cost of the uhauls. If Wiseman shouldn't pay for the rule violation then Penny sure and hell should. He knew better. He's been there, done that. You can't give money out to a top kid like that and then coax him into playing for you in college and expect that it's going to be no big deal. Would Penny help the family and Wiseman if he wasn't really good at BB?
Yeah but get what he’s saying.The whole blind eye on Tobacco Road is pretty obvious to anyone.We also lost Zion to that...pretty obvious Cal can only be beat by cheating.Which makes sense who the hell would want to play for a dork like rat face and the nerds on his staff.Tradition...lol Roy Williams and Ratface are not winning cool points with any kids I ever met.
 

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******** timing.
He should have been declared ineligible before enrolling.
I'll go you one further, and say Penny shouldn't have been allowed to recruit any of his former AAU kids. The NCAA really needs to tighten up the rules on hiring a family member, boosters becoming coaches, etc
 
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I don’t understand why it cost $12,000 to move from Nashville to Memphis. My family moved my sister from Chicago to Cincinnati for like $400.
My sister in law hired movers, and moved from Lexington to Nashville, and I think it was like $2,000. That was last year. Maybe Wildcat Movers are very reasonable on rates, I dunno.
 
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This situation may prove/show if the NCAA has any power etc at all.
Jay Bilas completely backed the NCAA on this and said that
Memphis could possibly get nailed big time.
We shall see.
 

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It will be interesting to see where this goes. Gary Parrish was alluding to this at least a month ago, so this couldn’t have been something recent, even after they declared him “eligible” earlier this spring. There has to be more, and clearly, some of the guys have an idea of what it is.
 

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Throw Penny on the pile of victims that tried to mess around and try to knock the king (Cal) off his throne. Maybe Penny can go coach the Yugoslavian Olympic team.
 

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The $12,000 should be all that's needed to rule him ineligible, but absolutely NO WAY that's all Penny has provided James and his family.

NCAA cleared Rose at one time as well. Didn't stop them from vacating.

NCAA will absolutely put Penny in his place on this. Memphis will of course back Penny because they're desperate little bitches who just want to win basketball games again, rules and what not be damned.

Memphis fans are triggered over this but if Wiseman had went to Kentucky and this **** came out in regards to Cal paying the family a damn dime, they would be up in arms over it. Hypocrites.
 

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Isn't this the same NCAA that ruled Derek Rose eligible and then changed their mind AFTER the entire season was over ?

Maybe they have it out for memphis.. not just Cal lol
 

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The problem started with TSSAA when they allowed him to be eligible in HS and play for a former AAU coach who lured him to Memphis. Penny will skate because well is is Penny and coaching anywhere but UK
 

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$11,500 is some serious coin for moving. I thought Wiseman grew up around Memphis ? $11,500 would be a fine *** house. Or a year rent on a apartment.
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I don’t understand why it cost $12,000 to move from Nashville to Memphis. My family moved my sister from Chicago to Cincinnati for like $400.
I am scratching my head about that too. Uhaul for one day 49.95, tank of gas 75.00,
two football players jacked up on energy drinks, two little ceasers pizzas...
 
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My sister in law hired movers, and moved from Lexington to Nashville, and I think it was like $2,000. That was last year. Maybe Wildcat Movers are very reasonable on rates, I dunno.
Exactly. $12K maybe if you're moving a very large home with a ton of items a god distance. From Nashville to Memphis. C'Mon man! What did they move the whole F-ing house?
 

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The problem started with TSSAA when they allowed him to be eligible in HS and play for a former AAU coach who lured him to Memphis. Penny will skate because well is is Penny and coaching anywhere but UK

I’m pretty sure the TSSAA ruled Wiseman ineligible to play at Memphis East but he got a court order to get play there.
 

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SIAP I read the first page of this thread and then read the last one. Let me get this straight. Wiseman is ruled ineligible to play and the lawyer representing him is Les Ballin? Is this an article from the Onion?