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TheC

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I am just a fan not an alum. I call the students and Alum Nerds too. I think of it as a term of endearment. A differentiator. What’s the big deal?
Ha ha... ha ha.... that's preposterous. The odds of all Northwestern students and alums being nerds is 1.2 X 109 to 1.
 

Gladeskat

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Being called a Nerd is a very high honor, IMO. I enjoyed the NU ad featuring NU players talking hard-core Nerd.

An OCD Nerd goes back and corrects the punctuation of their post like I just did.
 
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Jonny2TheP

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My favorite post of the bunch is the one that says this:

"In the last 6 meetings played at Northwestern, we are 1-5. Why have we played so poorly down there?"

Yeah, that's it. Can't possibly be that we are a pretty good football team that can beat you straight up. Has to be all about you.

Reminds me of a great story my Dad tells from the early 70's. He was at a drive thru of a bank in downtown Chicago and as he was pulling out, a couple of guys walk out in front of him and he has to quickly brake to avoid hitting them. One of the guy looks at my Dad and it's none other than Muhammad Ali (yes, the actual Muhammad Ali) and a few guys in his entourage. He ends up sitting on my Dad's car and doing the famous "windmill punch" thing while smiling and joking around with him. My Dad is in awe of what just happened. Fast forward to later than night when he goes to his parents house for dinner. He tells the story to his parents and his Mom's (my wonderful innocent Grandmother) response is "Muhammad Ali? How does he know you?".

Hey Wisconsin, it's not all about you. These kids in Evanston can play a little football too. It's not an accident you are 1-5 in your last six visits to Ryan Field.
 

DaCat

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Ask Io_a about the justNorthwestern nerds. The _isconsin cheeseheads are slow learners. And we pin the L on UN-L on a regular basis. And never invite us to your homecoming, because we WILL rain on your parade.
 

BadgerInSpartyland

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My favorite post of the bunch is the one that says this:

"In the last 6 meetings played at Northwestern, we are 1-5. Why have we played so poorly down there?"

Yeah, that's it. Can't possibly be that we are a pretty good football team that can beat you straight up. Has to be all about you.

Reminds me of a great story my Dad tells from the early 70's. He was at a drive thru of a bank in downtown Chicago and as he was pulling out, a couple of guys walk out in front of him and he has to quickly brake to avoid hitting them. One of the guy looks at my Dad and it's none other than Muhammad Ali (yes, the actual Muhammad Ali) and a few guys in his entourage. He ends up sitting on my Dad's car and doing the famous "windmill punch" thing while smiling and joking around with him. My Dad is in awe of what just happened. Fast forward to later than night when he goes to his parents house for dinner. He tells the story to his parents and his Mom's (my wonderful innocent Grandmother) response is "Muhammad Ali? How does he know you?".

Hey Wisconsin, it's not all about you. These kids in Evanston can play a little football too. It's not an accident you are 1-5 in your last six visits to Ryan Field.

I can respect this position - if I had the lens of a 'Cat fan, it's probably how I'd feel, too.

From a Badger fan standpoint, UW was probably favored to win all 6 of those games at Evanston (if I'm wrong, maybe I've become more of an arrogant you-know-what than I care to admit). It does feel like Northwestern is the only school in the division that consistently figures out a way to get the Badgers to underperform vis-a-vis their norm. And that's true when they play in Madison, too. I'm going to credit that to coaching - Fitz is probably the best at maximizing his teams' chances in the conference, if not all of college football.
 

Gladeskat

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Ha ha... ha ha.... that's preposterous. The odds of all Northwestern students and alums being nerds is 1.2 X 109 to 1.

Now solve for the probability that any NU student sampled randomly is a Nerd
My favorite post of the bunch is the one that says this:

"In the last 6 meetings played at Northwestern, we are 1-5. Why have we played so poorly down there?"

Yeah, that's it. Can't possibly be that we are a pretty good football team that can beat you straight up. Has to be all about you.

Reminds me of a great story my Dad tells from the early 70's. He was at a drive thru of a bank in downtown Chicago and as he was pulling out, a couple of guys walk out in front of him and he has to quickly brake to avoid hitting them. One of the guy looks at my Dad and it's none other than Muhammad Ali (yes, the actual Muhammad Ali) and a few guys in his entourage. He ends up sitting on my Dad's car and doing the famous "windmill punch" thing while smiling and joking around with him. My Dad is in awe of what just happened. Fast forward to later than night when he goes to his parents house for dinner. He tells the story to his parents and his Mom's (my wonderful innocent Grandmother) response is "Muhammad Ali? How does he know you?".

Hey Wisconsin, it's not all about you. These kids in Evanston can play a little football too. It's not an accident you are 1-5 in your last six visits to Ryan Field.

This reminds me of Gary Barnett's chance meeting of Michail Gorbechev outside Trump Tower on the way to meet some big boosters in NYC (High Hopes, p. 85).
 

LetsGoRed!

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Hey Wisconsin, it's not all about you. These kids in Evanston can play a little football too. It's not an accident you are 1-5 in your last six visits to Ryan Field.

Great story, but do you mean to imply that all Wisconsin fans are this naive? I for one understand and appreciate the competitive nature of this rivalry over the past 30 years. I can't think of another B1G team, besides Ohio State, that has had more success against the Badgers in the past decade? I would anticipate another hard fought, physical game on Saturday in Evanston. Good luck, 'Cats!
 
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Jonny2TheP

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I can respect this position - if I had the lens of a 'Cat fan, it's probably how I'd feel, too.

From a Badger fan standpoint, UW was probably favored to win all 6 of those games at Evanston (if I'm wrong, maybe I've become more of an arrogant you-know-what than I care to admit). It does feel like Northwestern is the only school in the division that consistently figures out a way to get the Badgers to underperform vis-a-vis their norm. And that's true when they play in Madison, too. I'm going to credit that to coaching - Fitz is probably the best at maximizing his teams' chances in the conference, if not all of college football.

That's fair. I think what it comes down to, and what you eluded to, is that Fitz knows the formula to beat teams like Wisconsin and Iowa (aka- poor man's Wisconsin). Does it mean that NU always win those games? Of course not, but his teams are built to compete with the way the Badgers and Hawkeyes play football. We typically don't do it in a pretty fashion, but we play good defense, don't typically give up big plays, and play complimentary football on offense to try and control the game and make it a slog. As I said, it's not pretty, but it's typically successful.

I won't speak for all Cats fans, but I believe the biggest issue we have with posts like the one stating "why have we played so poorly down there?" is that this is what we ALWAYS hear after a team loses to NU. Despite us being an overall successful program over the last 25 years, and especially being a more consistently good program since Fitz became the coach in 2006, people still believe there is no way they should lose to Northwestern. After this many years, it just gets old after awhile.

Should be a great game on Saturday. I know that Wisconsin is a good football team, but what I don't know yet is if they are a great football team. Illinois is pretty bad and Michigan is a lost puppy in a big world right now. Wisconsin may very well be great, they sure have looked it so far, but the competition has been iffy. I am confident that the Wisconsin defense is great, but how great is the offense? We shall see. What I will say about this NU team is that our defense is pretty damn good too and we have a lot of really good athletes on that side of the ball along with a fantastic DC (Mike Hankwitz, who I know you are quite familiar with from his time in Madison). This is as much athleticism I have seen from our defense ever- not hyperbole. Excited for this matchup because I think we have a really good football team and now we are playing the unquestioned gold standard of the West Division. If we can pull it out, we are in perfect position to win the West with only Michigan State, Minnesota, and Illinois left on the schedule.
 

Jonny2TheP

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Great story, but do you mean to imply that all Wisconsin fans are this naive? I for one understand and appreciate the competitive nature of this rivalry over the past 30 years. I can't think of another B1G team, besides Ohio State, that has had more success against the Badgers in the past decade? I would anticipate another hard fought, physical game on Saturday in Evanston. Good luck, 'Cats!

I'm not saying it's all Wisconsin fans. It's just a common refrain we hear from opposing fanbases despite the fact that we have been a pretty consistent successful program for many years now.

All good- looking forward to a great game on Saturday.
 

Hungry Jack

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Outside of NU, Wisconsin is my favorite B1G team and a great program to emulate, IMO. They develop impact players at all positions and play smart football. Chryst is an outstanding coach. The fans are supportive and generally very respectful of NU.

Beating Wisconsin is always a great accomplishment.
 

PURPLE Book Cat

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Northwestern fans as a class are about as nerdy as they come when it comes to college football.

that’s why it is so much sweeter when we beat their asses?
 

CappyNU

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Great story, but do you mean to imply that all Wisconsin fans are this naive? I for one understand and appreciate the competitive nature of this rivalry over the past 30 years. I can't think of another B1G team, besides Ohio State, that has had more success against the Badgers in the past decade? I would anticipate another hard fought, physical game on Saturday in Evanston. Good luck, 'Cats!
Since the split into divisions in 2011, Wisconsin is a combined 40-4 against non-NU West opponents, and 4-3 against NU. We're the only West team that's beaten you guys more than once in that span. Against the East, Bucky is 17-16, which includes 0-8 against OSU, 1-4 against PSU, and a combined 10-0 against IU, MD and Rutgers.
 

DaCat

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I won't speak for all Cats fans, but I believe the biggest issue we have with posts like the one stating "why have we played so poorly down there?" is that this is what we ALWAYS hear after a team loses to NU.
To me that's understandable in a way. As has been mentioned before, at the end of many games against NU, opposing fans are left scratching their collective unwashed heads, muttering "How did we lose that game?" Two weeks ago, I'm sure many an Io_a fan wondered how they had blown a 17-0 lead at home, and had their W snatched away again. It's just the Cardiac Cat way. The 43-3 blowout wins like the one against Maryland are rare indeed.
 

BadgerInSpartyland

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Since the split into divisions in 2011, Wisconsin is a combined 40-4 against non-NU West opponents, and 4-3 against NU. We're the only West team that's beaten you guys more than once in that span. Against the East, Bucky is 17-16, which includes 0-8 against OSU, 1-4 against PSU, and a combined 10-0 against IU, MD and Rutgers.
Good research! I think the first year of East/West might have been '14, and IU was in UW's division (as was PSU and OSU) before that. I don't recall playing the Hoosiers much since then - maybe once? We do have them on the schedule in a few weeks.
 

OblioCat

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My favorite game of the year, when it does happen, since I'm from Wisconsin and went to NU. There are quite a few NU-UW families. I met Pat Ryan at a NU-UW tailgate in Madison sophmore year fall of '82.
I believe the records are evenly matched since I graduated from Tech in '85.
 

LACatFan

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Cripes, that Wiscy fansite is a craptastic hot mess of pop-ups, pop-unders, screen captures and other intrusive garbage 🤢 🤮 . That thing triggers seizures.

The early 2000's called...they want their website user experience back.

#owningmynerddom
 

Jonny2TheP

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To me that's understandable in a way. As has been mentioned before, at the end of many games against NU, opposing fans are left scratching their collective unwashed heads, muttering "How did we lose that game?" Two weeks ago, I'm sure many an Io_a fan wondered how they had blown a 17-0 lead at home, and had their W snatched away again. It's just the Cardiac Cat way. The 43-3 blowout wins like the one against Maryland are rare indeed.

Yeah, and to be fair, it's quite common that after a loss, fans often focus on what their own team did wrong and not what the other team did right. We do it around here too, and I surely have participated in some of that before, so I'm far from innocent of that. I really do try and look at a game objectively though and determine who was better and who should have won. So far this year, the game I felt we were the closest to being outplayed was Nebraska. They had some success against our defense and it took some timely INT's for us to pull that off. Of course we gave the ball to them a few times too, including one that set them up at our 3 yard line, but that's the one game I look at so far and say the game was pretty even. Besides that, I feel like we were the better team in all three other games. After that first quarter in Iowa City, we dominated the Hawkeyes.
 

DaCat

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So far this year, the game I felt we were the closest to being outplayed was Nebraska.
Yeah, they have a pesky little program there in Lincoln. They always seem to get psyched up to play us, and no matter how mediocre they are, they always seem to give us a battle every year.

(See what I did there?) 😄
 

phatcat_rivals223240

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I can respect this position - if I had the lens of a 'Cat fan, it's probably how I'd feel, too.

From a Badger fan standpoint, UW was probably favored to win all 6 of those games at Evanston (if I'm wrong, maybe I've become more of an arrogant you-know-what than I care to admit). It does feel like Northwestern is the only school in the division that consistently figures out a way to get the Badgers to underperform vis-a-vis their norm. And that's true when they play in Madison, too. I'm going to credit that to coaching - Fitz is probably the best at maximizing his teams' chances in the conference, if not all of college football.
This is typical of teams that can't fathom how they lose to NU:

"figures out a way to get the Badgers to underperform". I.e. you didn't beat us, we beat ourselves.

Never - wow that was a dogfight and the better team won. Ever.

And the patronizing "credit that to coaching", like Fitz is able to somehow get inferior athletes to over-perform, and defeat those superior athletes mentioned above that under-perform.

Perhaps people are considering margin of victory. Not uncommon for us to win one year at the last minute, then get clubbed like a baby seal the following year.

I honestly don't care. Just win
 

BadgerInSpartyland

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I went back to look at conference records of the West teamssince 2011 (not counting this year or B1GCGs):

UW - 57-19
Iowa - 44-32
Nebraska - 40-36
Northwestern - 39-37
Minnesota - 32-44
Purdue - 22-54
Illinois - 16-60

So, UW has been objectively a more successful program than the others. Yet, with UW being only 4-3 against Northwestern, it seems like a better showing for the 'Cats than you'd expect. I suppose I can't avoid sounding patronizing, but it's hard to explain (aside from superior game-planning) why Northwestern gives us problems that the others don't. It's a compliment. Other programs have had talent on a par or better with UW, too, but haven't been able to get over the hump.
 

rmndcat

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Actually did a Masters there (Booth)! And Mrs. Jack did her undergrad there. But I still think Northwestern’s nerdiest outnerd the Maroon nerds!
Wow. The Maroons I worked with outnerded me. I at least had basic social skills (not so sure now after 8 months in quarantine).
 

Purple Pile Driver

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I went back to look at conference records of the West teamssince 2011 (not counting this year or B1GCGs):

UW - 57-19
Iowa - 44-32
Nebraska - 40-36
Northwestern - 39-37
Minnesota - 32-44
Purdue - 22-54
Illinois - 16-60

So, UW has been objectively a more successful program than the others. Yet, with UW being only 4-3 against Northwestern, it seems like a better showing for the 'Cats than you'd expect. I suppose I can't avoid sounding patronizing, but it's hard to explain (aside from superior game-planning) why Northwestern gives us problems that the others don't. It's a compliment. Other programs have had talent on a par or better with UW, too, but haven't been able to get over the hump.
We had a couple horrible years in there where we lost to nearly everyone. Pretty much chalk up 0-2 there to everyone except Illinois. It distorts this as the Wisky’s and Iowa’s of the world rarely have a melt down the size of what we experienced last year.
 

willycat

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Now solve for the probability that any NU student sampled randomly is a Nerd


This reminds me of Gary Barnett's chance meeting of Michail Gorbechev outside Trump Tower on the way to meet some big boosters in NYC (High Hopes, p. 85).
Wow, Trump was dealing with the Russians back then!
 

GOUNUII

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We had a couple horrible years in there where we lost to nearly everyone. Pretty much chalk up 0-2 there to everyone except Illinois. It distorts this as the Wisky’s and Iowa’s of the world rarely have a melt down the size of what we experienced last year.

Wisconsin has definitely been the class of the West Division teams for the better part of 25 years now. They are consistently really good. Probably a top 10-15 program in the Country. I was hoping to see them play and beat ND this year.

Northwestern football is a much different bird. We're a top 25-35 program. Our highs are not as high as Wisconsin's in recruiting or on the field. And our relative inconsistency is not something that the Badgers have had to deal with.

But here's the thing about NU football. We are as good at playing up in our good years as we are in playing down every year. It's a unique niche in college football. Makes it really hard on us fans. Since 2011, we're 13-3 vs Illinois and Purdue. That's pretty good. But a mediocre 15-14 against Minny, Iowa and Nebraska. And 3-4 vs the Badgers. Pretty good stuff there too.

The Cats are again primed to play up this Saturday. They will need to. I love the look of this Wisconsin team regardless of their soft 2020 schedule thus far.

GOUNUII
 

NURoseBowl

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I went back to look at conference records of the West teamssince 2011 (not counting this year or B1GCGs):

UW - 57-19
Iowa - 44-32
Nebraska - 40-36
Northwestern - 39-37
Minnesota - 32-44
Purdue - 22-54
Illinois - 16-60

So, UW has been objectively a more successful program than the others. Yet, with UW being only 4-3 against Northwestern, it seems like a better showing for the 'Cats than you'd expect. I suppose I can't avoid sounding patronizing, but it's hard to explain (aside from superior game-planning) why Northwestern gives us problems that the others don't. It's a compliment. Other programs have had talent on a par or better with UW, too, but haven't been able to get over the hump.
In fairness, we've got to acknowledge Wisconsin's coaching as well. Fitz and his staff often get credit - and deservedly so - for taking relatively unheralded players and turning them into solid contributors, guys you can win with. But UW does a pretty damn good job of that as well. Their roster isn't routinely stocked with OSU-caliber talent any more than we are. A lot of their key players end up being four or five-year guys who were 3* guys coming out of high school and were molded into solid players in Madison. That's just a good program, and where we used to look at Iowa as a measuring stick of sorts, the program just to our north is probably a better one to emulate today.
 

BadgerInSpartyland

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The recruiting at UW has upticked recently, but generally, UW is indeed a developmental program. The talent of the OLine - except maybe during the brief Gary Andersen interlude - has been relatively elite, though. That helps. Alot.