Why would someone leak this?
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Wisconsin and Gard? Ouch.
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People should go to prison for secretly recording stuff. It is sickening that so many people do stuff like this. As if people don’t distrust others enough these days.
IF you're ever recruited to a team or a job where you're told we're just like family KNOW that in their version of family, your standing in the family depends on your ability to give and they will love you, cut you or relegate you based on your contribution. In short, THEY ARE NOT YOUR FAMILY. Grow up. Even at 18 you're too old to be looking to join a family. The best coaches do not make the best father figures and visa versa.
Not good at all for someone to leak this. But it's interesting to note the COVID bubble reference. You wonder if tensions were aggravated and building in most programs due to that dynamic, including ours.
Maybe it is sickening, but.... If we want to side with the players Greg Gard should not be coaching UW basketball. This is the quickest way to demonstrate.
This sounds like typical millennials who have a disconnect with the stricter "boomer" style of older generations. Today's coaches really need to learn how to give positive encouragement rather than constant negative reinforcement, as the millennials (as a general proposition) don't respond as well to criticism.
Not a Gard fan, but this is so lame. What a bunch of cowardly snowflakes these players are. and to leak it is just ridiculous.
How is Gard supposed to be honest with them and trust them if somebody is secretly recording the conversation. He will now be more likely to tell them what they want to hear rather than tell them what he is really thinking.
How is Gard supposed to be honest with them and trust them if somebody is secretly recording the conversation. He will now be more likely to tell them what they want to hear rather than tell them what he is really thinking.
Seems like the assistant coach who was let go in the offseason is the most likely to have leaked it.
I hate Tom Izzo and the way he berates players in public. I am also not a Bob Huggins fan.
With that being said.....unless I have it wrong, it seems like they really do care for their players. I would never want my kids to play for either coach it sounds like i'd pick Huggins or Izzo 10X over Gard.
Maybe the guy who was passed over for a permanent job? I wonder where we have heard that before....
So Eric Murdoch was on staff I see.
I got a kick out of how the player “wasted a year of his life there”…lol. Big deal, people aren’t happy all the time. Crying because they don’t have “relationships” with their coaches. They all need therapy dogs.
I immediately thought of Murdoch too when I read about thisSo Eric Murdoch was on staff I see.
This one is tough to read.....I think most fans here, especially during a pandemic, spent a lot more time watching college hoops on TV. And while Wisconsin had a good finish to 2019-20, they returned a lot of the same roster in 2020-21, but it didn't really work out.
I do think these players kinda got stale and used to playing with the same players, in a very rigid but successful system at Wisconsin. I think that had more to do with this airing out of things.....the year didn't go the way they expected and it just can't be the players fault. They have to make it the coaches fault.
I think the huge red flag isn't what happened already.....it's blatantly saying that they wouldn't return or suggest that other kids come to the Badger program.....with recruiting now in full swing again, this could be a huge hurdle for Gard to overcome.....or it could be nothing.
The assistant coach who was there, Alanzo Tucker, is also a Badger great, who didn't get his contract renewed.....I don't know these details but I can't imagine these players and a current and now departed assistant coach, schemed this whole thing. But Gard will have damage control, they had a couple of kids just there on an official visit, specifically, Braeden Moore, a forward who is scheduled to visit RU in a few days. All of the articles on the visit stressed "culture " which means Gard probably knew this bombshell was pending and probably did the best he could to focus on that aspect.....normally visits with recruiting targets mention players they bonded with on the roster etc....wonder if this has any impact on Moore or the other target guard, Rowan Brumbaugh.....
I do think these players kinda got stale and used to playing with the same players, in a very rigid but successful system at Wisconsin. I think that had more to do with this airing out of things.....the year didn't go the way they expected and it just can't be the players fault. They have to make it the coaches fault.
I think the huge red flag isn't what happened already.....it's blatantly saying that they wouldn't return or suggest that other kids come to the Badger program.....with recruiting now in full swing again, this could be a huge hurdle for Gard to overcome.....or it could be nothing.
The assistant coach who was there, Alanzo Tucker, is also a Badger great, who didn't get his contract renewed.....I don't know these details but I can't imagine these players and a current and now departed assistant coach, schemed this whole thing. But Gard will have damage control, they had a couple of kids just there on an official visit, specifically, Braeden Moore, a forward who is scheduled to visit RU in a few days. All of the articles on the visit stressed "culture " which means Gard probably knew this bombshell was pending and probably did the best he could to focus on that aspect.....normally visits with recruiting targets mention players they bonded with on the roster etc....wonder if this has any impact on Moore or the other target guard, Rowan Brumbaugh.....
Millennials are the generation currently aged 24-40 so there are not very many of them left in college these days. Gen Z is the group that is college age right now.
I'm not giving Gard a pass like a lot here seem to want to do. If SEVEN Seniors who have been that successful have a that big of a problem with the coach then he's doing something very wrong. At this point, it's hard to truly judge what the major malfunction is in absence of any specifics. I assume they'll be more to come once reporting kicks in.
Head coach should be more than a X and O coach to a 17-21 year old. If there is no relationship outside of basketball that is a major problem.
I think I agree. If this were the first time with Gard you can make the "coddled kids" argument, but Kobe King if I recall correctly left with similar complaints. Now, Gard has won the league ( a very significant accomplishment) and B1G COY, but there may be something problematic brewing at UW.
Okay maybe I got the label wrong — who can keep track anymore? — but my point stands about the generational differences in the way younger people respond or don’t respond to criticism and praise.
I dunno, it just seems a bit snowflake-y the way these players were all whining about the coach criticizing them and not getting to know them off the court. Whaaaa!!
That said, as somebody notes above, it does make you wonder how a coach who has had a LOT of recent success on the court can “lose” the entire senior class to this sort of uprising. Maybe he IS a big jerk or something.
This is pathetic. I would be embarrassed if I was a player in that room.
This is why I don’t blame coaches when it comes to locker room issues. Kids are just weak. Everyone has a say. Everyone’s opinion matters. Everyone needs a pat on the back.
So soft.
This is why I don’t blame coaches when it comes to locker room issues. Kids are just weak. Everyone has a say. Everyone’s opinion matters. Everyone needs a pat on the back.
So soft.
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Members of a generation without a sense of entitlement
Sorry to go on a bit of a tangent, but I always chuckle at the discussions of “this generation are a bunch of snowflake crybabies.” To those thinking that, ask which generation brought them up to become that way.
Players are snowflakes..they don't realize how good they have it
I am not going to call them snowflakes, but they are members of an organization that probably over the past 4 years have lost 125 million dollars. An organization that caters to them and spends a ridiculous amount of money on.
They must have hired Eric Murdoch to edit it
Cvs has dealt with this nonsense as well. She talks about it often. Most of the time the solution is the player go elsewhere
I think I brought my kids up not to accept being disrespected. It doesn’t matter who it is. I commend the 7 guys for calling out their coach. They didn’t talk to a journalist. They said what they thought right to the coaches face.
I am vehemently against players monetarily benefitting from being an athlete while at school. However I am not in love with head coaches making 3,000,000. Players need to be treated with utmost respect. These 7 kids aren’t being soft. Brad Davison is not soft. A coach making 3,000,000 because you are making shots and treats you like a pawn on a chess board.
I am vehemently against players monetarily benefitting from being an athlete while at school. However I am not in love with head coaches making 3,000,000. Players need to be treated with utmost respect. These 7 kids aren’t being soft. Brad Davison is not soft. A coach making 3,000,000 because you are making shots and treats you like a pawn on a chess board.
Agree, that’s part of it. But the shift towards helicopter parenting and a ‘my kid can do no wrong’ mindset sure doesn’t help.
You might want to commend the players, but whoever recorded it and gave it to the press is downright WRONG, especially an edited version. The players had no right to put public a private conversation, unless Gard did something really "wrong or illegal" during that private conversation.
Coaches salaries should be capped, but that is not this discussion.
How would you like a private conversation that you were involved in in your office to be secretly recorded and made public?
Best of Luck,
Groz
We could just be a society who has become more thoughtful, kinder, respectful to others who are different and expect others to return the same.
Depends. If it was the one where I bragged about the size of my turd a resounding YES.
Recognizing that this is a sports board and nobody cares about small mistakes here, but in case somebody might use this at work or something.....
Negative reinforcement is the removal of something objectionable to encourage a behavior. It would be like saying, "You executed that block properly, so you don't have to run laps any more." Negative means removal and reinforcement means you are trying to increase a behavior. Positive punishment is where you whack somebody upside the head to get them to stop doing something.
Behaviorists invented these terms to make their theories sound more like medical science. Just made them confusing.
Brutal situation for the Wisconsin program. Then again, Wisconsin is a conference rival and I dislike them. So not displeased. I hope a number of other conference rivals similarly implode.