Winter weather to return

[RU848789]

Friday night into Saturday morning is going to be a soaker, but the rain for Philly is likely to be just about over by kickoff. Too early to tell, though, as 1 or 2 models have the precip exiting in the late afternoon, while most have it exiting the area by about noon (~6 hours difference is huge for fans, but a small variable 5+ days out in a forecast) - should have a better handle on timing by Weds/Thursday.

Likely going to be a close call right up until gameday on Saturday, as some models are showing the rain largely over by early afternoon, while some still show some showers in the afternoon and early evening. The heavy rain certainly looks to be over by noon - the question is whether some lingering light to moderate showers might persist through the afternoon.

 

[Knight Shift]

It would be easier to show in equations, but I doubt most people will get that, so here are a lot of words I just posted on FB on the NWS page in answer to the same question...

Yes, snow can accumulate with surface temps at 33-34F or even higher. The governing equation for snowfall accumulation is simple: if the snowfall rate (in inches per hour, e.g.) exceeds the melting rate (in inches per hour), then snow will accumulate. It's that simple. Now, determining the melting rate is not simple at all, as that's a function of the surface temp (which is different for paved surfaces vs. grassy/colder surfaces), which is influenced by the ground temp underneath, the air temp, the degree of indirect sunlight reaching the ground (during daylight), whether salt is present, etc.

Having said that, though, a good rule of thumb based on experience and crude calculations, is that one needs snowfall rates of 1/2"/hr or more when the surface temp is 33-34F and with a high sun angle (like in March), but only about 1/4" or so when it's 33-34F at the surface at night. Keep in mind that even if the surface temp is 50F 8 hours before snow starts, the falling/melting snow will cool the surface down quickly into the mid-30s as energy is transferred from the warm ground to the snow to effect melting (which requires energy input).

Finally, one very important factor in any borderline situation, like this one. If the snowfall rate becomes heavy (like 1" per hour rates), the snow will accumulate in broad daylight at 35F in April, let alone at night at 34F in December. And once a layer of snow is established on the ground, that snow is, by definition, at 32F, meaning subsequent snow that falls will no longer melt at anywhere near the rate it would on bare ground, as one has 32F snow falling on 32F snow on the ground. So if a foothold can be gained where snow accumulates, subsequent snow that falls will only be subject to melting from the 33-34F air temp, which would only lead to melting rates in the 1/8" per hour range. Hope that helps.

I'd like to see the equations, which I certainly hope take into account radiant and convective heating and cooling.

Exactly as I predicted down here. No snow on the road surfaces, but the grass is lightly covered. Do the snowfall amounts in my post above account for snow on grass vs. snow on roads (which is all people really care about)?

 

[RUPete]

Mainly cosmetic snow in No. Plfd. down to NB. That's the way I like snow.

 

[RUScrew85]

We must have gotten one of those "snow bands". Robbinsville this AM:

 

[Tango Two]

 

[Dashadowknows]

Likely going to be a close call right up until gameday on Saturday, as some models are showing the rain largely over by early afternoon, while some still show some showers in the afternoon and early evening. The heavy rain certainly looks to be over by noon - the question is whether some lingering light to moderate showers might persist through the afternoon.

Can you keep providing updates? I will be attending the game this year. Thanks!

 

[WhiteBus]

Can you keep providing updates? I will be attending the game this year. Thanks!

Ever been to Army Navy before? Great experience!

 

[Dashadowknows]

Ever been to Army Navy before? Great experience!

Yes, I have been going every year for about the last 9 years. Been about 12 times in total.

It is by far my favorite event to attend.

 

[WhiteBus]

Yes, I have been going every year for about the last 9 years. Been about 12 times in total.

It is by far my favorite event to attend.

Love it as well. Moved to Philly in 1988. Been going ever since including Baltimore and Meadowlands.
If you park in Lot N/M. Look for the General's Hot Sauce small trailer at the top of the stairs to Lot N. I'll be wearing a Rutgers cap with the USNA Class of 86.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

We must have gotten one of those "snow bands". Robbinsville this AM:

That’s an insane image

 

[Postman_1]

We must have gotten one of those "snow bands". Robbinsville this AM:

Ha nice, Im right down the street in Hamilton off George Dye and didn't get anything. So jealous :Laughing

 

[RU848789]

Snowfall reports for NJ/E PA from the NWS-Philly and for NJ/NYC/LI/SE NY from the NWS-NYC. FYI, there's no fact-checking involved from the NWS, which is how one ends up with reports of 0.1" in Woodbridge and Old Bridge at 7 am this morning - this means these folks likely measured on a paved surface, instead of a snowboard, as there's no way, looking at the radar history, that those towns didn't get similar to what we got in the Edison area, close by (I got 1.25").

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
206 PM EST Wed Dec 11 2019

...SNOWFALL REPORTS...

Location Amount Time/Date Provider

...New Jersey...

...Atlantic County...
Estell Manor 1.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COOP
Linwood 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Absecon 0.8 in 0137 PM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Hammonton 3.3 WSW 0.7 in 0930 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Folsom 3.2 SE 0.5 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Buena Vista Twp 2.6 NNE 0.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Atlantic City 0.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 ASOS
Smithville 0.4 in 1000 AM 12/11 Broadcast Media
Estell Manor 4.0 WNW 0.3 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Burlington County...
Southampton Twp 1.5 in 1036 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Southampton Twp. 1.6 SE 1.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Medford Lakes 0.7 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Medford Twp 2.4 SSE 0.6 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Evesham 4.2 S 0.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Jacksonville 0.5 in 0744 AM 12/11 NWS Employee
Tabernacle Twp. 5 WNW 0.3 in 0830 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Mount Laurel 0.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 UCOOP
Hainesport 0.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Mount Laurel 0.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
1 ENE Westampton Twp 0.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 Official NWS Obs
Burlington Twp 0.3 in 0659 AM 12/11 NWS Employee
Burlington 1.7 E 0.3 in 0630 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Moorestown 0.2 in 0801 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Marlton T in 0932 AM 12/11 Public

...Camden County...
Winslow Twp. 3.5 W 0.4 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
1.1 N Gloucester Twp 0.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 COOP

...Cape May County...
Lower Twp 1.3 ENE 1.0 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Woodbine 0.8 NNW 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Middle Twp. 4.2 NNW 1.0 in 0630 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Lower Twp 1.5 NNE 0.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Sea Isle City 1.4 SSW 0.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Cape May 0.4 in 0748 AM 12/11 Public
Wildwood Crest 0.1 in 0757 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Gloucester County...
Williamstown 1.5 in 0745 AM 12/11 Public
Monroe Twp. 1.8 SE 0.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Pitman 0.2 in 0817 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Greenwich Twp 0.2 in 0750 AM 12/11 Public
Pitman 0.1 W 0.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Hunterdon County...
Quakertown 2.8 in 1000 AM 12/11 Public
Clinton Twp. 4 N 1.9 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Califon 0.6 NW 1.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Stockton 3.8 NNW 1.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Holland Twp 2.6 NNE 1.5 in 0605 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Lebanon 2.8 N 1.5 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Frenchtown 0.5 N 1.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Flemington 2.9 ESE 1.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Flemington 3 E 1.0 in 0837 AM 12/11 COOP
Holland Twp 1.0 in 0827 AM 12/11 Public
Lebanon 3.2 SW 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Flemington 4.2 ESE 0.8 in 0900 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
2.5 S Cloverhill 0.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COOP
Flemington 2.3 E 0.6 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Readington Twp 0.6 in 0551 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Flemington 1.9 SE 0.5 in 0530 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Flemington 0.3 E 0.4 in 0630 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Mercer County...
Hopewell Twp. 2.4 NW 1.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Pennington 1.7 SE 1.2 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Trenton 1.0 in 0853 AM 12/11 Public
Ewing Twp. 0.9 in 0725 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Lawrence Twp 1.6 S 0.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Ewing 0.8 in 0630 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
1.9 NE Windsor 0.7 in 0700 AM 12/11 COOP
Hightstown 0.7 in 0700 AM 12/11 CO-OP Observer
Pennington 0.6 ENE 0.6 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Lawrence Twp. 1.8 SSW 0.6 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
West Windsor Twp 2.6 N 0.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Middlesex County...
North Brunswick Twp 1.5 W 1.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Metuchen 1.3 in 0545 AM 12/11 Public
Edison 1.0 in 0900 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
New Brunswick 3 SE 0.9 in 0800 AM 12/11 COOP
Sayreville 0.9 ENE 0.9 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Middlesex 0.1 ENE 0.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
East Brunswick Twp 0.8 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
New Brunswick 1.8 E 0.5 in 0820 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Woodbridge 1 ESE 0.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Plainsboro Township 0.5 in 0739 AM 12/11 Public
Woodbridge Twp. 1 NNE 0.5 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Sayreville 0.1 in 0715 AM 12/11 Public
Old Bridge Twp. 5 NE 0.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Monmouth County...
Marlboro 3.0 in 0845 AM 12/11 COOP
1 E Freehold 2.2 in 0900 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Tinton Falls 2.0 in 0129 PM 12/11 Public
Freehold 1.5 in 0730 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Howell Twp 3.7 SSW 1.4 in 0704 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Union Beach 2.1 SSE 1.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
0.7 SW Long Branch 0.8 in 0630 AM 12/11 COOP
Long Branch 1.7 SSW 0.7 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Belmar 0.1 in 0708 AM 12/11 Public

...Morris County...
Green Pond 3.0 in 1122 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Mine Hill Twp. 3.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Lake Hopatcong 3.0 in 0651 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Hopatcong 2.1 ENE 3.0 in 0650 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Randolph Twp 2.2 SW 2.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Jefferson Twp 2.8 in 0638 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Mount Arlington 2.6 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Washington Twp. 3.6 W 2.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Randolph, NJ 2.5 in 0825 AM 12/11 Public
Marcella 2.5 in 0815 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Rockaway Twp 0.7 NE 2.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Succasunna 2.5 in 1000 AM 12/11 Public
Denville Twp 1.6 SSW 2.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Boonton 2.0 in 0822 AM 12/11 CO-OP Observer
Mine Hill Twp. ENE 2.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Denville 2.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Randolph Twp. 2 E 1.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Roxbury Twp. 1.5 in 0900 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Rockaway 1.4 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Mountain Lakes 1.3 in 0942 AM 12/11 Broadcast Media
Rockaway 1.3 in 0500 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Long Hill Twp 1.8 WSW 1.0 in 0900 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Harding Twp 2.4 W 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Denville Twp 1.5 ESE 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Mendham 1.5 W 0.6 in 0900 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Florham Park 0.2 WNW 0.5 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Chatham 0.6 NE 0.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Ocean County...
Manchester Twp 2.3 in 1156 AM 12/11 Public
Whiting 1.6 in 1140 AM 12/11 Public
Forked River 1.4 in 1259 PM 12/11 Trained Spotter
3 NNE Toms River 1.2 in 0740 AM 12/11 Public
Berkeley Twp. 2.7 SSE 1.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Brick Twp. 1.5 NNE 1.0 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Jackson Twp. 2.2 S 0.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
2 NE Leisure Village East 0.8 in 0640 AM 12/11 Public
Toms River 0.8 in 0745 AM 12/11 Public
Jackson Twp 4.9 ENE 0.7 in 0630 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Point Pleasant Beach 0.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Ocean Gate 0.5 in 0632 AM 12/11 Public
Manchester Twp 5.6 NE 0.5 in 0630 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Salem County...
Pittsgrove Twp 1.9 S 0.5 in 0500 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Somerset County...
Franklin Twp. 2.4 ENE 1.8 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Franklin Twp 3.8 ENE 1.6 in 0900 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Basking Ridge 1.5 in 0944 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Bridgewater 1.3 in 0738 AM 12/11 Public
Franklin Twp. 2.7 NE 1.2 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Franklin Twp. 3 NE 1.2 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Warren 1.0 in 0847 AM 12/11 Public
Bridgewater 1.0 in 0837 AM 12/11 Public
Hillsborough Twp. 3.5 SE 1.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Bernards Twp. 0.9 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Franklin Twp. 4 NNW 0.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Hillsborough Twp 0.7 in 0700 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Manville 0.6 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Bridgewater Twp 3.1 SW 0.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Sussex County...
Highland Lakes 3.1 in 0532 AM 12/11 Public
Stockholm 3.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Sparta Twp 3.6 SSW 3.0 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Lafayette Twp 2.7 in 0830 AM 12/11 Public
Highland Lakes 1 SW 2.7 in 0500 AM 12/11 COOP
Hardyston Twp 3.2 SE 2.3 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Andover Twp 1.7 W 2.0 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Stanhope 2.0 in 0400 AM 12/11 Public
4 SW Wantage 1.8 in 0740 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Stillwater Twp 1.5 in 0845 AM 12/11 Public
Vernon Twp 1.7 N 1.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Newton 0.9 S 1.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
0.7 SE Sussex 1.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COOP

...Warren County...
Blairstown Twp 2.2 ESE 1.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Allamuchy-Panther Valley 1.5 in 0723 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Blairstown Twp 2.4 E 1.5 in 0530 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Hackettstown 1.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Stewartsville 1.1 in 0749 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Greenwich Twp 1.6 S 1.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Hope 0.7 in 0320 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Hope 0.4 in 0320 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter

...Pennsylvania...

...Berks County...
Huffs Church 2.6 in 0820 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Alburtis 4.7 SW 2.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Fleetwood 2 ESE 2.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Boyertown 1.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
District Twp 1.8 in 0515 AM 12/11 Public
New Morgan 1.8 WNW 1.1 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Mohnton 2.8 SSW 1.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Bernville 1.3 SW 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Reading 4.7 WSW 0.9 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Shillington 0.5 E 0.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Reading 3.5 SW 0.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Wyomissing 0.1 in 0759 AM 12/11 Public

...Bucks County...
1.2 NE Springtown 2.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COOP
Trumbauersville 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 Public
Langhorne 3.4 NNE 0.9 in 0630 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Feasterville-Trevose 0.6 in 0845 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Jamison 0.5 in 0715 AM 12/11 Public
Sellersville 0.1 in 0847 AM 12/11 COOP

...Carbon County...
Albrightsville 3.0 in 0500 AM 12/11 Public
Summit Hill 2.3 in 0110 PM 12/11 Public
Lehighton 1 SSW 1.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COOP
Lower Towamensing Twp 1.0 in 0759 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Lehighton 3.3 WSW 0.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Chester County...
1.2 E Glenmoore 1.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COOP
Atglen 1.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Atglen 0.2 W 1.3 in 0650 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
West Caln Twp 1.3 in 0600 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Berwyn 1.0 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Atglen 0.9 in 1125 AM 12/11 Mesonet
West Grove 2.6 W 0.9 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Downingtown 1.7 NE 0.6 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Kennett Square 4 NNE 0.6 in 0714 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Wickerton 0.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Landenberg 0.5 in 0748 AM 12/11 Public
Chads Ford 3 SW 0.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
West Chester 2 SE 0.5 in 0600 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Marshallton 0.4 in 1125 AM 12/11 Mesonet
Unionville 2.2 NE 0.2 in 0730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Nottingham T in 1124 AM 12/11 Mesonet

...Delaware County...
Wayne 1.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Chadds Ford Twp 0.9 in 0828 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Upper Darby 0.5 in 0824 AM 12/11 Public

...Lehigh County...
Breinigsville 3.0 in 0600 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Coopersburg 2.0 in 0844 AM 12/11 Public
New Tripoli 2.0 in 0730 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Washington Twp 2.0 in 0636 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Schnecksville 2.2 E 1.8 in 0725 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Zionsville 1.7 in 0830 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Salisbury Twp 1.6 in 0905 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Germansville 1.6 in 0753 AM 12/11 Public
Slatington 6.0 WSW 1.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Allentown 1.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 ASOS
North Whitehall Twp 1.4 in 0749 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Macungie 1.4 in 0741 AM 12/11 Public
Schnecksville 1.7 ENE 1.0 in 0850 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Emmaus 0.5 in 0827 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter

...Monroe County...
Mount Pocono 0.7 N 3.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Long Pond 3.0 in 0821 AM 12/11 Public
Mount Pocono 2.9 in 0900 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Stroudsburg 2.0 in 0950 AM 12/11 Public
Canadensis 1.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 COOP
1 NE Bossardsville 1.5 in 1239 PM 12/11 Public
Stroudsburg 5 W 1.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Montgomery County...
Harleysville 2.1 SW 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Harleysville 0.8 in 0713 AM 12/11 Public
Skippack 2.6 ESE 0.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Wynnewood 0.8 in 1015 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Gilbertsville 0.7 in 0800 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Schwenksville 1.6 WSW 0.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
North Wales 1.3 WSW 0.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Eagleville 0.5 in 0557 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Gilbertsville 0.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...Northampton County...
Upper Mount Bethel Twp 2.5 in 0828 AM 12/11 Public
2 N Bushkill Twp 2.1 in 0841 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Portland 2.7 WNW 1.9 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Nazareth 1.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Bushkill Twp 1.7 in 0905 AM 12/11 Public
Tatamy 1.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
North Catasauqua 1.1 in 0400 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Bushkill Twp 1.0 in 0841 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter
Bethlehem 1.8 NW 1.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Martins Creek 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Nazareth 1 W 1.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
Martins Creek 1.0 in 0637 AM 12/11 Trained Spotter

...Philadelphia County...
Philadelphia International A 0.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 ASOS
Rockledge SE 0.1 in 0630 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
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NEW JERSEY

...BERGEN COUNTY...
1 SSE OAKLAND 1.5 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
OAKLAND 1.5 800 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
RIDGEWOOD 1.3 900 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
1 W TENAFLY 0.9 730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
EAST RUTHERFORD 0.5 905 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
1 WNW NORTH ARLINGTO 0.5 715 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...ESSEX COUNTY...
CEDAR GROVE 1.8 845 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
WEST ORANGE 1.7 855 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
MAPLEWOOD 0.7 910 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
1 SE MAPLEWOOD TWP 0.3 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...HUDSON COUNTY...
HARRISON 1.0 900 AM 12/11 CO-OP OBSERVER

...PASSAIC COUNTY...
HAWTHORNE 1.6 845 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
WAYNE 1.1 900 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
BLOOMINGDALE 0.9 139 PM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
1 WNW LITTLE FALLS T 0.7 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...UNION COUNTY...
1 ESE NEW PROVIDENCE 1.3 800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
NEWARK AIRPORT 0.7 1000 AM 12/11 FAA OBSERVER

NEW YORK

...KINGS COUNTY...
BROOKLYN 1.0 1100 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
MIDWOOD 0.7 1100 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA

...NASSAU COUNTY...
SYOSSET 3.2 1000 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
WOODBURY 3.0 730 AM 12/11 BROADCAST MEDIA
1 ENE HICKSVILLE 3.0 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
WEST HEMPSTEAD 2.0 755 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
EAST MEADOW 2.0 1000 AM 12/11 NWS EMPLOYEE
SYOSSET 1.8 845 AM 12/11 CO-OP OBSERVER
MERRICK 1.8 800 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
FRANKLIN SQUARE 1.5 935 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
SSE ALBERTSON 1.5 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
MASSAPEQUA 1.3 800 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
1 SSW MASSAPEQUA 1.3 800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
MANHASSET HILLS 1.2 745 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
VALLEY STREAM 1.1 800 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER

...NEW YORK COUNTY...
WASHINGTON HEIGHTS 0.5 1130 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
CENTRAL PARK 0.2 1000 AM 12/11 PARK CONSERVANCY

...ORANGE COUNTY...
NEWBURGH 2.5 745 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
3 WNW WARWICK 1.9 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
2 E WALLKILL 1.8 730 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
3 SW GREENWOOD LAKE 1.0 800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...PUTNAM COUNTY...
4 ESE BEACON 3.5 701 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
MAHOPAC 3.5 700 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
BREWSTER 3.2 755 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
4 N CARMEL 2.7 700 AM 12/11 CO-OP OBSERVER
PUTNAM VALLEY 2.5 945 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER

...QUEENS COUNTY...
LITTLE NECK 2.0 1120 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
REGO PARK 1.5 900 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
1 SW MIDDLE VILLAGE 1.0 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
NYC/LAGUARDIA AIRPOR 0.9 100 PM 12/11 FAA OBSERVER
NYC/JFK AIRPORT 0.9 100 PM 12/11 FAA OBSERVER

...RICHMOND COUNTY...
1 SE STATEN ISLAND 0.6 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

...ROCKLAND COUNTY...
SPRING VALLEY 1.9 750 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
STONY POINT 1.3 700 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER

...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
QUOGUE 3.4 1030 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
SAG HARBOR 3.2 1135 AM 12/11 BROADCAST MEDIA
COMMACK 3.1 900 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
NESCONSET 3.0 700 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
MILLER PLACE 3.0 845 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
HAMPTON BAYS 3.0 1110 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
SMITHTOWN 3.0 1045 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
STONY BROOK 2.8 830 AM 12/11 NWS EMPLOYEE
NORTH BABYLON 2.6 1100 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
ORIENT 2.5 1000 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
SSW PORT JEFFERSON S 2.5 830 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
CENTERPORT 2.5 700 AM 12/11 CO-OP OBSERVER
1 SSW NESCONSET 2.5 820 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
SOUTH HUNTINGTON 2.4 830 AM 12/11 BROADCAST MEDIA
UPTON 2.1 1025 AM 12/11 NWS OFFICE
LINDENHURST 2.0 1000 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
LAKE RONKONKOMA 2.0 815 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
EAST NORTHPORT 2.0 800 AM 12/11 TRAINED SPOTTER
1 NNW BRIGHTWATERS 2.0 700 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
SOUND BEACH 2.0 830 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
ISLIP AIRPORT 1.9 100 PM 12/11 FAA OBSERVER
1 ESE BAY SHORE 1.6 900 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
HAUPPAUGE 1.5 825 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
ORIENT POINT 1.5 800 AM 12/11 CO-OP OBSERVER
WSW AMITYVILLE 1.5 805 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
WEST BABYLON 1.2 841 AM 12/11 SOCIAL MEDIA
1 NNE BRIGHTWATERS 1.0 800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
1 SW WEST ISLIP 1.0 815 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
BRIDGEHAMPTON 0.5 700 AM 12/11 CO-OP OBSERVER

...WESTCHESTER COUNTY...
WINDMILL FARM 2.8 730 AM 12/11 PUBLIC
SE ARMONK 2.0 900 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
2 NW SOUTH SALEM 1.7 740 AM 12/11 COCORAHS
1 N SOUTH SALEM 1.5 800 AM 12/11 COCORAHS

 

[RUScrew85]

Ha nice, Im right down the street in Hamilton off George Dye and didn't get anything. So jealous :Laughing

Must have been a VERY thin band. LOLOL

 

[Dashadowknows]

Any updates for Saturday? Thanks!!

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

I am leaving for a long journey through the south ultimately landing back in San Diego where weather is a non event. I hope Numbers gets record breaking snowfall this winter but just in Metuchen so he can build a 50 foot snowperson..

 

[RU848789]

Likely going to be a close call right up until gameday on Saturday, as some models are showing the rain largely over by early afternoon, while some still show some showers in the afternoon and early evening. The heavy rain certainly looks to be over by noon - the question is whether some lingering light to moderate showers might persist through the afternoon.

Not much change in the Army-Navy gameday forecast, except to say that every model now has all the heavy rain over with by about noon on Saturday. After that there's some divergence in the models on whether or not there will be some rain showers on what should be a fairly mild day for mid-Dec, with high temps in the low/mid 50s (normal is 45/30F for 12/14 in Philly), but even the models that show some showers are showing only about 0.1" of rain from about 1-7 pm, which, based on whiny-girl-fan experience around here is more than nuisance rain (0.1" is nuisance rain to me, especially if you dress for it).

By the way, some models are showing some snow (a few inches possible) for early Tuesday morning, while some are showing just about all rain, except for far NW areas. If this starts to look like more of a threat, will start a thread on it tonight.

 

[RU848789]

I am leaving for a long journey through the south ultimately landing back in San Diego where weather is a non event. I hope Numbers gets record breaking snowfall this winter but just in Metuchen so he can build a 50 foot snowperson..

That's a fine wish that I'm sure everyone in Metuchen will rejoice in, should it be granted. Enjoy your trip...

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Eric You seem angry. Please don't be. I have always been with you politically but I like Santa Barbara and you like Santa Claus.:ThumbsUp No biggie. Enjoy. Go RU

 

[RU848789]

Eric You seem angry. Please don't be. I have always been with you politically but I like Santa Barbara and you like Santa Claus.:ThumbsUp No biggie. Enjoy. Go RU

Now you've confused me - I was trying to be funny, not angry, lol...

 

[RU848789]

Not much change in the Army-Navy gameday forecast, except to say that every model now has all the heavy rain over with by about noon on Saturday. After that there's some divergence in the models on whether or not there will be some rain showers on what should be a fairly mild day for mid-Dec, with high temps in the low/mid 50s (normal is 45/30F for 12/14 in Philly), but even the models that show some showers are showing only about 0.1" of rain from about 1-7 pm, which, based on whiny-girl-fan experience around here is more than nuisance rain (0.1" is nuisance rain to me, especially if you dress for it).

By the way, some models are showing some snow (a few inches possible) for early Tuesday morning, while some are showing just about all rain, except for far NW areas. If this starts to look like more of a threat, will start a thread on it tonight.

Still looks to be fairly mild for mid-Dec with temps in the low/mid-50s for highs (normal high is 45F) and the heavy rain will be over by late morning. However, there still could be a few showers though, but not washout level showers, i.e., maybe 0.1" of rain from 1-7 pm. Wind shouldn't be a factor either. Enjoy the game.

 

[WhiteBus]

Thanks. I'm just so happy I won't have to wear multiple layers and gloves hats and scarfs. The last 3 years in particular was a battle to stay warm. We were due for warm one.

 

[BigWill]

These forecast aren't SNOW, 2 - 3 inches !!??

When I was at Syracuse, one weekend it snowed 84 inches in 48 hours. Which seemed like a lot till it was announced that Oswego (town on Lake Ontario north of Cuse) got 103 inches.

Mary Anne had to jump from her 2 floor bedroom to shovel out her homes front and rear door.

Every road was closed, only way to get around was ski's, snowshoes, or skidoos.

Now that's SNOW.

 

[Dashadowknows]

Still looks to be fairly mild for mid-Dec with temps in the low/mid-50s for highs (normal high is 45F) and the heavy rain will be over by late morning. However, there still could be a few showers though, but not washout level showers, i.e., maybe 0.1" of rain from 1-7 pm. Wind shouldn't be a factor either. Enjoy the game.

Any change in forecast?

 

[RU848789]

Any change in forecast?

Only one significant change and that is the forecast is now for winds to pick up in the late afternoon to 10-20 mph and by the end of the game there could be gusts to 30 mph. That wasn't really in the forecast, but as I've said countless times, winds are extremely hard to predict well in advance. Still looking like only some occasional showers after about noon with total rainfall likely about 0.1" or less from 1-7 pm - although I should mention that there do look to be some heavier showers 75-100 miles west of Philly in the afternoon, but right now the models aren't showing those hitting Philly (small chance it could happen though). Temps should remain over 50F the whole game, though.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Good luck to all who can make it.. Give GS and any recruits a a great welcome and safe travels to all.

 

[WhiteBus]

Good luck to all who can make it.. Give GS and any recruits a a great welcome and safe travels to all.

GS won't be in Philly for the Army Navy game.

 

[Scarlet dollar]

I am leaving for a long journey through the south ultimately landing back in San Diego where weather is a non event. I hope Numbers gets record breaking snowfall this winter but just in Metuchen so he can build a 50 foot snowperson..

Are you moving back, or just visiting?

 

[RU848789]

These forecast aren't SNOW, 2 - 3 inches !!??

When I was at Syracuse, one weekend it snowed 84 inches in 48 hours. Which seemed like a lot till it was announced that Oswego (town on Lake Ontario north of Cuse) got 103 inches.

Mary Anne had to jump from her 2 floor bedroom to shovel out her homes front and rear door.

Every road was closed, only way to get around was ski's, snowshoes, or skidoos.

Now that's SNOW.

Yeah, but last year on 11/15, 4-6" of snow at the wrong time, when under-forecasted by nearly everyone, combined with non-existent snow removal from unprepared crews, resulted in area-wide gridlock with people stuck for hours on highways and kids even stuck in their schools with no way home. It's all relative. It's on my bucket list to experience lake effect snow like that.

Hey, are you the same BigWill, who posted regularly around here 10+ years ago? If so, welcome back and if not, welcome!

 

[Postman_1]

This weather has sucked lately. Nothing but rain it seems 4-5 days a week. It feels like April through June. Seems like my grass is still growing. Give me some snow!

 

[RU848789]

Only one significant change and that is the forecast is now for winds to pick up in the late afternoon to 10-20 mph and by the end of the game there could be gusts to 30 mph. That wasn't really in the forecast, but as I've said countless times, winds are extremely hard to predict well in advance. Still looking like only some occasional showers after about noon with total rainfall likely about 0.1" or less from 1-7 pm - although I should mention that there do look to be some heavier showers 75-100 miles west of Philly in the afternoon, but right now the models aren't showing those hitting Philly (small chance it could happen though). Temps should remain over 50F the whole game, though.

Chances of rain were significantly reduced in this morning's updated forecast, as shower chances are in the 20% range from 1-7 pm, now, vs. 50-70% the past few days (even though light showers) - shouldn't be more than 0.05" of rain today, which is definitely nuisance level rain, especially when temps are in the mid-50s. Will be breezy through mid-afternoon and then getting downright windy with gusts to 30 mph after about 4-5 pm. Good football weather, especially for running teams.