I'm not an x & o guy but my recollection is being worried about the OL every year and this year being the only one that truly sucked. Am I overlooking something glaring or is my memory just poor?
Why the Hev hate?
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Use to work with a guy whos son was a o-line recruit. He mentioned his son didnt want to go to State because Hev was a douche to the recruits.
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His LT's have included the likes of James Carmen, Blaine Clausell, and Rufus Warren. We can continue on this path where we freak out each season over next season's starting 5 OL and perhaps have to convert a guy to OL between his junior and senior seasons or we can move in a different direction and improve. If Hev stays, I'm sure we'll field a competitive squad like we've for the most part done, and they'll continue to blow big games like Alabama.
Yes, but I thought it was settled the other day, we are content with losing 4 games per year before the bowl.
Another good indicator is putting guys in the NFL. OL is a position where we just don't send many guys to the league. I'm guessing Gabe Jackson is the last OL we had drafted?
When you think about how many OL guys each NFL team needs, you'd think we could get a guy drafted every year or two.
As much as I like Mullen, I think his relationship with Hevesy is an anchor. Maybe Hev will get a HC job somewhere.
When you think about how many OL guys each NFL team needs, you'd think we could get a guy drafted every year or two.
As much as I like Mullen, I think his relationship with Hevesy is an anchor. Maybe Hev will get a HC job somewhere.
What happens in a particular year on the OL has its origin three years before. It takes so long for the OL to get up to SEC speed. If a player isn't getting respectable playing time by his RS-Soph year (injury or talent related), then good chance that position/player isn't going to meet expectations in the two coming years. Ben Beckwith may be the exception to the rule. Looking back, the Rufus Warren experience may not have been the most beneficial decision. I can't say that he was better than Calhoun.
So, if you aren't going to recruit quality OL and get them in the mix early, then it's a fail.
So, if you aren't going to recruit quality OL and get them in the mix early, then it's a fail.
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A couple things:
1) I think the air-it-out mentality hurt this years OL. Hard to be physical when you're back pedaling 2/3 plays.
2) It wasn't just a talent issue this year, we had issues with stunts and blitz pick up all year too.
3) I think we'll be improved next year, but not drastically improved.
1) I think the air-it-out mentality hurt this years OL. Hard to be physical when you're back pedaling 2/3 plays.
2) It wasn't just a talent issue this year, we had issues with stunts and blitz pick up all year too.
3) I think we'll be improved next year, but not drastically improved.
I'm in no way
defending our awful OL play this year, but isn't one of his (Hevesy) attributes his recruiting? honestly, I don't know.
defending our awful OL play this year, but isn't one of his (Hevesy) attributes his recruiting? honestly, I don't know.
This current group of OL were not ready for SEC speed this season, and since they are all redshirts who have been in the program for at least 1.5 to 2 years I put the failure to be prepared on Hevesey.
But part of it is on Mullen too---prime example the Egg Bowl. For 2 years now Ole Miss has played a DE named Marquis Haynes, the dude is only about 220 lbs. which is smaller than De'Runnya. Haynes is a speedy pass rush DE---you do not leave your 300 lbs. OT to block him alone on pass plays. You keep a TE on that side or a RB to help block, but for 2 years now Dan has let our poor OTs try to block the speed ends 1 on 1 with no help while Dak stands like an easy still target working down to his 4th or 5th progression while the Ole Miss DEs play "Sack-A-Dak".
But part of it is on Mullen too---prime example the Egg Bowl. For 2 years now Ole Miss has played a DE named Marquis Haynes, the dude is only about 220 lbs. which is smaller than De'Runnya. Haynes is a speedy pass rush DE---you do not leave your 300 lbs. OT to block him alone on pass plays. You keep a TE on that side or a RB to help block, but for 2 years now Dan has let our poor OTs try to block the speed ends 1 on 1 with no help while Dak stands like an easy still target working down to his 4th or 5th progression while the Ole Miss DEs play "Sack-A-Dak".
Bump said on his last show that Hevesey's #1 WR target after getting the MSU job was Rico Sanders.
Let's see, hmmm! I guess Dakota Prescott, Haughton, LA was a horrible Hevesy recruit. Yeah! you are right, he is a cancer to our recruiting, need to fire him yesterday!!!***
I used to work with a former (last year) player's mom & from what I gathered, he was one of the reasons that said player committed without having a scholarship.
Was that Deon Mix? Seems like all the Hev hate started him.
Mix flipped from us to Auburn and Hev's crucifixion began, as the flip was blamed on Hev's personality.
I suppose it's a good thing since Mix has only played in 3 games in 3 years.
Mix flipped from us to Auburn and Hev's crucifixion began, as the flip was blamed on Hev's personality.
I suppose it's a good thing since Mix has only played in 3 games in 3 years.
One problem is the damn mysterious job titles that Dan Mullen uses. OK, Diaz is the Defensive Coordinator so when the Defense sucks we can blame him and him solely.
But Hevesey is the "Run Game Coordinator", what the 17!? But Gonzales is the "Pass Game Coordinator", what the Blue Monkey 17!!?? But Mullen said he was "taking over play calling", What the Mother 17, Titty suck, 17ing 17 Monkey Hell??!!! When the Offense 17s up, who is to blame? "Too many cooks spoil the soup..."
Mullen, appoint an Offense Coordinator and have him run your Offense. Having Hevesey criticize your run blocking while Gonzales criticizes your pass blocking is ridiculous---have a damn LEADER of the Offense and hold him responsible for the whole damn Offense!!!
But Hevesey is the "Run Game Coordinator", what the 17!? But Gonzales is the "Pass Game Coordinator", what the Blue Monkey 17!!?? But Mullen said he was "taking over play calling", What the Mother 17, Titty suck, 17ing 17 Monkey Hell??!!! When the Offense 17s up, who is to blame? "Too many cooks spoil the soup..."
Mullen, appoint an Offense Coordinator and have him run your Offense. Having Hevesey criticize your run blocking while Gonzales criticizes your pass blocking is ridiculous---have a damn LEADER of the Offense and hold him responsible for the whole damn Offense!!!
Do you seriously believe Hev was Dak's lone recruiter? Remove your head from the hole it is buried in and take an objective look across the conference. Hev is one of the weakest O line coaches in the league. The dude sucks
Hevesy can't
get ALL of the blame when a kid he's recruiting doesn't sign with us, and then none when the kid does sign. You can't have it both ways.
get ALL of the blame when a kid he's recruiting doesn't sign with us, and then none when the kid does sign. You can't have it both ways.
I agree with that. But the trend is pretty clear that top flight OL don't want to play for us. Position coach is more important than lead recruiter. Most kids don't like Hev's old school personality. Especially the elite ones that have had their asses kissed since 10th grade. It may fly with a small percentage of them, but nowadays his shtick is more of a turn off than a turn on. He/we will have to adapt or continue to accept the same results.
No, he recruits regions, just like every other coach does. It's not all on him in recruiting, it's our coaching staff as a whole. The recruits hate Hev thing is overblown. The giant tackle that's committed to us out of Philadelphia is coming because of Hev. He's said something along the lines of his personality is what he likes and why he wants to play for him.
Exactly.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. 1/2 these folks have no idea what they're talking about.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. 1/2 these folks have no idea what they're talking about.
No doubt
that Hevesy is 100% accountable for what happens to the kids once they get here, and I'm not saying that the position coach plays no part whatsoever, prior to the commitment, but often times the players aren't communicating with their possible future position coach daily, like they are the recruiter for their region.
that Hevesy is 100% accountable for what happens to the kids once they get here, and I'm not saying that the position coach plays no part whatsoever, prior to the commitment, but often times the players aren't communicating with their possible future position coach daily, like they are the recruiter for their region.
If his title is running game coordinator then I agree that he failed miserably this year! How domyoubnot just have an oline coach?
I can't think of us signing one. The top ones I remember are Rankin, Robinson and Sherrod, but they were 4 stars. Maybe Jackie signed some in the earlier 2000s but I can't think of any. Shon Coleman was a 5 star but I don't know how hard we recruited him, can't remember is Gennessy (sp?) was a 5 star. We just haven't signed many 5 stars period. Jackie signed some, Norwood, I think Byrdsong was I think, Deljuan, Williams. Croom signed Pegues, Mullen sign Jones and Autry, Quay was at one point and I think a top 5 player nationally before his senior year. I may have forgotten a few but out of that list of 5 stars the impact they've made has been disappointing. Norwood was great but had to blocking, Pegues was very good, Jones has not been close to being the #2 player in his class.
Eiland? You understand that he is a project at best.
I honestly don't mind taking them but that early is another question.
I didn't say anything about what kind of talent he is. I said that he was huge, as in physically, and that the reason he wanted to play for us was because he liked Hev, which is what this whole topic is about.
Well, when we are the best offer by for that would accept your commitment...I have to think that makes a difference in how you look at your position coach. But they may just be me...
Got to ask this....do you honestly believe sherrod was a four star recruit or a five star that was incorrectly rated as a 4 star?
I'm not giving my opinion what of these people are rated, I named off guys that we signed that we actual 5 stars, not guys that played like 5 stars. Sherrod, Dak, McKinney, Banks, Robinson, Bear, Slay, that's just some guys who ended up being better than their rankings and could be argued as 5 star guys. Hell, Beckwith was an aa and his best offer was juco. I was stating facts, not opinions.
You're missing the whole point. He publicly stated that he likes Hevesy. He doesn't have to say anything about him but he did. Whether we're his best offer or not doesn't make a difference in how much he likes Hevesy. And he has a Mississippi offer according to 247, I guess that doesn't matter though since it doesn't meet your agenda.
Ok, but you get the point of my question. Between 5 star players and the guys that wind up playing like them, who should they recruit?
My point is that if we haul in more kids that play on that level RATHER than those who are rated that way, isnt that an indication that the recruiter is more knowledgable than the raters?
Sherrod was an ACTUAL 5 star not rated as one. So was Dak. Doesnt that speak to the value if the recruiter than his ability to land who is rated as one by whatever service you are quoting?