I'm not convinced Joseph will get the permanent job, because I have no idea who else Alberts is pursuing. But even if I feel like there are better choices out there, I'm still pretty impressed with how Joseph has managed the crappy situation and talent-thin roster he inherited.
Why Mickey won't be head coach
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Honestly, as another poster said, what proven coach can we realistically get? Meyer isn’t coming here.
Leipold is a consideration, but he’s as likely to go to Wisconsin or stay at KU as he is to end up in Lincoln.
campbell is a hard pass, Aranda isn’t exactly showing that he is the guy. Fickel isn’t coming here.
We should absolutely make a run at Klieman. But I’m not convinced he would leave K-State for Nebraska. I think it would take about $8M-$10M.
So who else? I’m not saying MJ is the guy. But he deserves serious consideration.
Mickey may be the ultimate hire and may be great
but I don’t think MJ will show up on a national search of any other power 5 program at seasons end
Every candidate will have flaws
I don’t think the circles of coaches who we want (A) and the coaches who would say yes (B) intersect as much as people think
I think he is in the locker room and on the sidelines cheering like mad. I also think he is on the phone during the day talking to many agents and negotiating contracts for a new coach. I think MJ's agent is involved and so are about 5-6 others. When it comes time to pull the trigger he will have all the info he needs.
Any coach we are going to get is most likely going to be a big chance. As much as I would love a Kiffen, Gundy or Ruhle. Guys like that seem unlikely and the Leipold’s and Campbell’s of the world seem like just as big of a chance to me.
I'm at the point where Mickey seems to be the clear and obvious choice
the only outsider who remotely interests me is Lane Kiffin and he's not going anywhere
the only outsider who remotely interests me is Lane Kiffin and he's not going anywhere
Realistic list of proven winners that have minimal risk?
Urban isn't coming, so don't start your lost with him.
Agreed. Then take into consideration we have a new DC mid year, several new players in D, injuries, and more but there is a focus on calling timeouts? Just the fact they can get lined up at all is testimony enough.
Because he has taken a seemingly hopeless situation and at least turned it into something??? Like I said. MJ may not be the guy. But in 4 weeks he’s changed the culture so that these kids at the very least believe in themselves. For a team that was staring a 1-11 season in the face you can’t understate the importance of culture and belief in themselves. I fully believe that outside of the Michigan game, we’ll be in games like last night with opportunities to win. He has also shown the ability to make in game adjustments that have lacked for a decade. He’s also an elite level recruiter which I think is a premium at a place like NU.
It's hard to turn a battleship around. It's not going to happen in a few games. Frost didn't in years.
I've hired a lot of people over the past 40 years. I'm very impressed by the leadership shown by Mickey over the past few weeks. I think he has the goods. I've said it before on this board, a John Deere top exec told me at a Harvard football game, "hire smart people regardless of their major". Mickey's major was WR but he sure as hell seems to be able to run a program. IMO he's doing all the right things under very difficult circumstances.
I think the same. I’m not sure if he is the guy right now, but I think some one will be offering him an HC job in the near future if he continues this turnaround. I think he is going to be very successful somewhere else. I don’t think he stays to be on someone else’s staff.
I’ve done my fair share of hiring as well and agree 100%. Some of the best people I’ve been around in my industry aren’t great because of their knowledge. They are great teacher, motivators, relationship builders and leaders.
IMO MJ has leadership qualities. Hearing him after the Indiana game say he let Whip call his game, and saying that he gives the players a voice. To empower the people below you is an invaluable leadership quality and we could use more of that at NU.
Pointing out the exception isn’t really a good argument. This isn’t roulette. Like everyone else on this board, I truly don’t know who is available and interested. We will all find out eventually and then the arguments can be based on more than assumption, homer cheerleading and conjecture.
OT, but, Bama has had 15 penalties in 2 of their last 3 games.
They don't seem to commit that many penalties in games they control, yet, in the tough games they have become prone to lots of penalties.
Your scenario makes zero sense. He allegedly is talking with "many agents' while at the same time "negotiating contracts"? So you are telling us Trec has multiple people he is working thr phones and deals with all at the same time?
Call me highly skeptical.
i think mickey has more leadership value than i did before the season.
i think mickey is a very good recruiter
i think mickey has alot of knowledge about coaches available for assistant openings.
i think mickey is a players coach
i think mickey is open minded to change what he is doing to something that may work better
we really dont have many outstanding football players on this team. we have a team full of decent guys that have not been developed and coached to their best. i think mickey will demand developement from his players and coaches and wont be averse to showing them the door.
odds makers had us loosing by 14 last night. much as i hate them they are usually close to being right
lets just evaluate mickey on what we know he has and what he does with it for 5 games.
i think mickey is a very good recruiter
i think mickey has alot of knowledge about coaches available for assistant openings.
i think mickey is a players coach
i think mickey is open minded to change what he is doing to something that may work better
we really dont have many outstanding football players on this team. we have a team full of decent guys that have not been developed and coached to their best. i think mickey will demand developement from his players and coaches and wont be averse to showing them the door.
odds makers had us loosing by 14 last night. much as i hate them they are usually close to being right
lets just evaluate mickey on what we know he has and what he does with it for 5 games.
I can hear the discussion now:
Trev: Mickey, we appreciate the great job you did keeping the program together this year.
Mickey: Thanks, I just the opportunity to lead young men.
Trev: While we appreciate your leadership and everything you have done for both the players and University, we are going a different direction.
Mickey: I am disappointed but understand, can I ask what I needed to do better?
Trev: Well, those darn penalties were just to much to overcome and then your time out management as a new HC and with a new DC were the deciding factors.
Monumental task fixing a team that was put together by a coach that resembles Ray Milland in ”The Lost Weekend”
Had 4 + years of it.
Had 4 + years of it.
He seems clearer and more obvious the more we get to know him. However, if I'm AD and I'm doing job interviews and I ask him what he plans to do for the offense and if he says he plans to keep Whip, then he is toast.
Whipple seems to be very knowledgeable and if he had different players this offense could be deadly. However, I do not believe his offense fits our culture generally, and it doesn't fit what I like to see on the field specifically.
I think Whipple has been very good
he’s an incredibly disciplined play caller and most of our big plays have come in the 2nd half when we need it most
Those aren't the only things. Lack of head coaching experience and not winning enough games would factor in. If he finishes with a losing record, he should not be given the job.
Well if there wasn't 90% of the board and likely a majority in the fan base proclaiming he should be the permanent head coach, then I wouldn't have to point out constantly how terrible of an idea it is.
Absolutely, if it's Mickey, then hire him now. Why the hell would you waste anymore time and throw away a recruiting class?
LOL. We had 4 penalties last night!
And aggressive teams are usually going to have a lot of penalties. Look back at some of those 80s Miami teams.
also is it just me but I don’t feel like the refs are always against us anymore. I felt like anything close we got the flag with Frost as HC. I think the refs actually like Mickey
Disagree there is 5 more game to prove himself despite what hand he was dealt from SF..
Beating 2 of 3 the worse teams in the league isn’t proof enough to hire him ASAP..
I see a lot of people who are willing to entertain the idea, depending on how the rest of the season plays out, and then see if we have a realistic better option. Very few are all in...."sign him now" I would say more are...."Do nothing for now and see how this plays out"
Right now, as of this typing, realistic options who are great are in very short supply.
I provided a list several weeks ago and it remains the same.
1. Urban
2. Mullen
3. Herman
4. Petersen
5. Deboer
6. Aranda
7. Leipold
8. Fickell
9. Rhule
10. BoB
11. Campbell
12. Klieman
All of these candidates have head coaching experience and some level of success. There's coordinators I would try before Mickey including Joe Brady, the Georgia offensive coordinator, and Garett Riley. The only other changes would be Leipold and Aranda flipped because I think Leipold is a better fit. Lane Kiffin deserves a look though it's probably a long shot.