I think it's a good hire because Miller was the best guy they could get. Which tells you all you need to know about IUsedToBe. It's not a premier job anymore. It's UConn after Jim Calhoun.
Good information, I didn’t know the extent of their sucking, this really puts it in the forefront.What few understand is that the concept of Indiana basketball as a historic power is essentially flawed. Take a look at their entire history- ALL of it- from the beginning until Knight arrived. You'll find two anomalous NCAA titles in 1940 and 1953, and virtually nothing else. Then came Knight, and for his first 16 years they were a power, going to 4 Final Fours and winning three titles.
Since then... 2 Final Fours and no titles in three decades.
Indiana's days as a national power are three decades in the past. Just like UCLA, they were a flash in the pan... and not nearly as bright.
They did knock us out of the tourney 2 years ago
[roll]It was a close game until about 5 minutes. You just happened to shoot 35-37 from the line when your season average was about 70%. Shoot that percent and IU wins going away.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I would call them a flash in the pan. I agree that their time has most likely come and gone because it's just been too damn long now. But, any school that wins a title in 4 different decades and goes to the Final Four in in 6 different decades has history on their side. I do agree that a majority of their success happened in about a 20 year period from the early 70's to the early 90's. They still have had a lot of success:What few understand is that the concept of Indiana basketball as a historic power is essentially flawed. Take a look at their entire history- ALL of it- from the beginning until Knight arrived. You'll find two anomalous NCAA titles in 1940 and 1953, and virtually nothing else. Then came Knight, and for his first 16 years they were a power, going to 4 Final Fours and winning three titles.
Since then... 2 Final Fours and no titles in three decades.
Indiana's days as a national power are three decades in the past. Just like UCLA, they were a flash in the pan... and not nearly as bright.
IU never had a lead in the second half and only one lead in the first. If we are going to play the "if" game, then if Anthony Davis doesn't sit for over 14 straight minutes in the first half, we win by 20. See how that works. Facts are IU lost by 12. That's not a very close score.It was a close game until about 5 minutes. You just happened to shoot 35-37 from the line when your season average was about 70%. Shoot that percent and IU wins going away.
We beat them by double digits in 2012. That's not exactly what I would call a close game.
Also if we could have done a couple things different in some close tournament games, we could have 5-6 championship under Cal.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I would call them a flash in the pan. I agree that their time has most likely come and gone because it's just been too damn long now. But, any school that wins a title in 4 different decades and goes to the Final Four in in 6 different decades has history on their side. I do agree that a majority of their success happened in about a 20 year period from the early 70's to the early 90's. They still have had a lot of success:
4th in NCAA Titles
8th in Final Fours
6th in NCAA Tournament Appearances
11th all-time in wins
I agree 100% that their success is 3 decades in the past and they are most likely done.
And if I recall, we were getting to the rim repeatedly (esp. MKG) they couldn't defend us, so they kept fouling. And we kept making. Reminds me of Clappy's comment whenever he watched the replay of "The Wat Shot". He said, It goes in every time.actually 70% of 37 is 26. so no you still would have lost. and uk was winning the whole game. iu had one two point lead in the first half that was short lived.
We all know that basketball games can be closer than the final score indicates (in this case). On the flip side, the final score of basketball games can indicate that a game was closer than it actually was (see 2012 title game). I would assume that IU probably ran out of gas at the end from scoring 90 points on one of the greatest defensive teams in college basketball history.
Wonder why they suck so much? Not ranked in pre season, recruiting class is terrible for a past blue blood. Haven’t been “good” or top program in years (1987). Looked upon by the media as basically a nobody. Just curious, thoughts?
IU never had a lead in the second half and only one lead in the first. If we are going to play the "if" game, then if Anthony Davis doesn't sit for over 14 straight minutes in the first half, we win by 20. See how that works. Facts are IU lost by 12. That's not a very close score.
I mean poor poor IU. They think if they get Langford they are “back” totally delusional fan base!!!
C’mon guys, let’s give them a little credit. They went to the national championship game in ‘02, gave our ‘12 national champion team a good game in the tournament, and if Crean could have figured out a zone defense I really believe they could have won it all in ‘13 (a down year in cbb). So to say they haven’t been good since 1987 is a stretch.
It was a 5 point game with about 4:30 left. Of course IU had to take chances at the end and foul which made the score not as close as it really was. No one forced Cal to sit Davis.
But you won fair and square. Congrats. I was just pointing out that IU played a good game. No one gave us prayer given that it was in Atlanta and a virtual home game for you with an 80-90% UK crowd.
Is this serious? One Elite 8 (a Final Four) since 1993.
We've had 12 Elite 8 appearances in that time frame and beat them 15 of 21 times.
IU has 8 Final Fours in their history. Kentucky has 8 Final Fours (and 3 Titles) since IU's last Title.
Good information, I didn’t know the extent of their sucking, this really puts it in the forefront.
And it was a 10 point game a minute and a half later. Who starts fouling on purpose in a five point game with five minutes left? Nobody does and IU didn't either. Btw Cal sat Davis after picking up two fouls in 5 mins because he did not want to a repeat of the game at IU where Davis played about 16 mins and fouled out. My point is IU never lead in the second half and only once in the first. UK had complete control of that game and won by 12. Now if IU fans consider that a good game then good for them. Congratulations for not getting beat by 20. Maybe that's what the team had engraved on their Sweet 16 rings.It was a 5 point game with about 4:30 left. Of course IU had to take chances at the end and foul which made the score not as close as it really was. No one forced Cal to sit Davis.
But you won fair and square. Congrats. I was just pointing out that IU played a good game. No one gave us prayer given that it was in Atlanta and a virtual home game for you with an 80-90% UK crowd.
Is this serious? One Elite 8 (a Final Four) since 1993.
We've had 12 Elite 8 appearances in that time frame and beat them 15 of 21 times.
IU sucks because they are IU.Wonder why they suck so much? Not ranked in pre season, recruiting class is terrible for a past blue blood. Haven’t been “good” or top program in years (1987). Looked upon by the media as basically a nobody. Just curious, thoughts?
C’mon guys, let’s give them a little credit. They went to the national championship game in ‘02, gave our ‘12 national champion team a good game in the tournament, and if Crean could have figured out a zone defense I really believe they could have won it all in ‘13 (a down year in cbb). So to say they haven’t been good since 1987 is a stretch.
3 decent years outta 30, and ‘02 was a miracle run. Not exactly blueblood level.
IU does suck but except for 2012 UK season ended just like IU a big loss
Fair assessment. I just have a hard time saying a program with 5 titles has been a flash in the pan.Indiana prior to Bob Knight's arrival, 1901-71
Overall record: 802-543 (59.6%)
Big 10 titles: 8
Final Fours: 2
NCAA appearances (1939-71): 5
It's well known how mediocre they've been since 1988.
Like I said, flash in the pan.
They are not a flash in the pan. They are not even in the pan.Fair assessment. I just have a hard time saying a program with 5 titles has been a flash in the pan.
His point is that U.K. shot an uncharacteristicly high percentage against the average, which made the difference. Makes sense.Lol, so are you all hanging a banner and making popcorn boxes for staying close?
Honestly, think idiotic this sounds everyone. We were down and had to foul, but they made their FTs!!!! How unfair!
You realize UK was on offense when you fouled them, correct? So you could predict exactly what Kentucky would do on offense? They were going to miss all of their shots while Indiana hit theirs, right?
Just a horrible take
His point is that U.K. shot an uncharacteristicly high percentage against the average, which made the difference. Makes sense.