Why does IU suck so much

dbmhoosier

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I think it's a good hire because Miller was the best guy they could get. Which tells you all you need to know about IUsedToBe. It's not a premier job anymore. It's UConn after Jim Calhoun.

If Cal retires in a few years who is UK likely to hire that is better or more proven? Donovan who will be pushing 60 and has turned you down twice? Msrshall who will also be near 60 and a psycho?
 

CatEye2010

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IMO IU sucks because for the last 15 years, and especially since Cal has been here, they just "wanted to do it the right way". As in, Cal must be dirty. So they hired what they considered to be a good, solid, traditional coach who would lead them back to prominence "the right way" by recruiting good hoosier boys who stayed 4 years. Problem was, Clappy didn't get along with the high school coaches or AAU coaches so was unable to recruit the best kids in his own state=suckage.

But they stuck with him far too long because he beat UK occasionally, and had them in contention for a Big Ten title occasionally, so they must be nearly there, right?

So now, after ridiculing UK for its OAD's and ruining college basketball, they will sell their souls for Romeo, a sure OAD! Their hypocrisy is astounding.
 

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What few understand is that the concept of Indiana basketball as a historic power is essentially flawed. Take a look at their entire history- ALL of it- from the beginning until Knight arrived. You'll find two anomalous NCAA titles in 1940 and 1953, and virtually nothing else. Then came Knight, and for his first 16 years they were a power, going to 4 Final Fours and winning three titles.

Since then... 2 Final Fours and no titles in three decades.

Indiana's days as a national power are three decades in the past. Just like UCLA, they were a flash in the pan... and not nearly as bright.
Good information, I didn’t know the extent of their sucking, this really puts it in the forefront.
 

Ben101er

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They did knock us out of the tourney 2 years ago

And they were pretty good when we beat them in the Ga Dome, in the sweet 16, our championship year. Other than those two years, they have been pretty bad. I just don't see any buzz about them among recruits. IU is just not a popular destination for HS players. Can it change? I suppose. Will it? Well, a few of their fans have been on here and think so, but, I think it isn't as easy as hiring a decent coach. Not a great one, but decent. He is going to have to overachieve a couple of years and get IU to where it is mentioned, nationally, and then their recruiting may get better. That is where it has to start. I am not sold it will happen. In state kids are now going to Purdue and Notre Dame. Mich St and UK have always poached the best talent. I tend to think they will continue to be 4-5 in the Big 10 and make the tournament, as an 7-9 seed. That is not really putting yourself back in the elite.
 

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What few understand is that the concept of Indiana basketball as a historic power is essentially flawed. Take a look at their entire history- ALL of it- from the beginning until Knight arrived. You'll find two anomalous NCAA titles in 1940 and 1953, and virtually nothing else. Then came Knight, and for his first 16 years they were a power, going to 4 Final Fours and winning three titles.

Since then... 2 Final Fours and no titles in three decades.

Indiana's days as a national power are three decades in the past. Just like UCLA, they were a flash in the pan... and not nearly as bright.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I would call them a flash in the pan. I agree that their time has most likely come and gone because it's just been too damn long now. But, any school that wins a title in 4 different decades and goes to the Final Four in in 6 different decades has history on their side. I do agree that a majority of their success happened in about a 20 year period from the early 70's to the early 90's. They still have had a lot of success:

4th in NCAA Titles
8th in Final Fours
6th in NCAA Tournament Appearances
11th all-time in wins

I agree 100% that their success is 3 decades in the past and they are most likely done.
 

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It was a close game until about 5 minutes. You just happened to shoot 35-37 from the line when your season average was about 70%. Shoot that percent and IU wins going away.
IU never had a lead in the second half and only one lead in the first. If we are going to play the "if" game, then if Anthony Davis doesn't sit for over 14 straight minutes in the first half, we win by 20. See how that works. Facts are IU lost by 12. That's not a very close score.
 

sdryan2_rivals

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We beat them by double digits in 2012. That's not exactly what I would call a close game.

We all know that basketball games can be closer than the final score indicates (in this case). On the flip side, the final score of basketball games can indicate that a game was closer than it actually was (see 2012 title game). I would assume that IU probably ran out of gas at the end from scoring 90 points on one of the greatest defensive teams in college basketball history.


Also if we could have done a couple things different in some close tournament games, we could have 5-6 championship under Cal.


Well that is because Kentucky is elite, Indiana is not. I’m not comparing IU to UK because they aren’t on our level. I’m just saying they don’t “suck” or are “irrelevant”. Sucky and irrelevant teams don’t go to national championships or win regular season titles occasionally (even if it IS the B1G). Now last year, yes, they did suck. Not even getting selected to the NIT is pretty sucky, I’ll give you that.
 
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I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I would call them a flash in the pan. I agree that their time has most likely come and gone because it's just been too damn long now. But, any school that wins a title in 4 different decades and goes to the Final Four in in 6 different decades has history on their side. I do agree that a majority of their success happened in about a 20 year period from the early 70's to the early 90's. They still have had a lot of success:

4th in NCAA Titles
8th in Final Fours
6th in NCAA Tournament Appearances
11th all-time in wins

I agree 100% that their success is 3 decades in the past and they are most likely done.

Indiana prior to Bob Knight's arrival, 1901-71
Overall record: 802-543 (59.6%)
Big 10 titles: 8
Final Fours: 2
NCAA appearances (1939-71): 5

It's well known how mediocre they've been since 1988.

Like I said, flash in the pan.

 

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I love some of the comments over on their message board. A comment I read literally says if Romeo Langford commits it will start an avalanche of five star recruits coming to IU.

LOL kind of like last year when they almost beat Duke ha ha. Their message board had things like we are back and watch out we have awoken a giant .
 
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CatEye2010

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actually 70% of 37 is 26. so no you still would have lost. and uk was winning the whole game. iu had one two point lead in the first half that was short lived.
And if I recall, we were getting to the rim repeatedly (esp. MKG) they couldn't defend us, so they kept fouling. And we kept making. Reminds me of Clappy's comment whenever he watched the replay of "The Wat Shot". He said, It goes in every time.

Well, those free throws in the game that really mattered went in nearly every time too!

And if we had only hit our average, we make 26, or 9 less than we made, yet our winning margin was 12, so guess what, we still win!

PS- IU still sucks.
 

hotelblue

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We all know that basketball games can be closer than the final score indicates (in this case). On the flip side, the final score of basketball games can indicate that a game was closer than it actually was (see 2012 title game). I would assume that IU probably ran out of gas at the end from scoring 90 points on one of the greatest defensive teams in college basketball history.

this makes me laugh because everyone here knows uk let the opposition dictate the pace of the game that year. cal said it all that year. iu was the only team stupid enough to want to run with uk and that’s why iu gave up the most points it ever has in a tournament.

we respected unc’s offense enough to slow it down a little. but not iu’s. and it was the right call because iu could stop nothing uk did. and almost half of the free throws came in the final minutes when the game was decided and your best players were fouled out. we actually let iu score inside because it didn’t matter. the cushion was there all the second half.
 
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The past is not prologue.

Wonder why they suck so much? Not ranked in pre season, recruiting class is terrible for a past blue blood. Haven’t been “good” or top program in years (1987). Looked upon by the media as basically a nobody. Just curious, thoughts?
 

dbmhoosier

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IU never had a lead in the second half and only one lead in the first. If we are going to play the "if" game, then if Anthony Davis doesn't sit for over 14 straight minutes in the first half, we win by 20. See how that works. Facts are IU lost by 12. That's not a very close score.

It was a 5 point game with about 4:30 left. Of course IU had to take chances at the end and foul which made the score not as close as it really was. No one forced Cal to sit Davis.

But you won fair and square. Congrats. I was just pointing out that IU played a good game. No one gave us prayer given that it was in Atlanta and a virtual home game for you with an 80-90% UK crowd.
 

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C’mon guys, let’s give them a little credit. They went to the national championship game in ‘02, gave our ‘12 national champion team a good game in the tournament, and if Crean could have figured out a zone defense I really believe they could have won it all in ‘13 (a down year in cbb). So to say they haven’t been good since 1987 is a stretch.

Is this serious? One Elite 8 (a Final Four) since 1993.

We've had 12 Elite 8 appearances in that time frame and beat them 15 of 21 times.
 
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It was a 5 point game with about 4:30 left. Of course IU had to take chances at the end and foul which made the score not as close as it really was. No one forced Cal to sit Davis.

But you won fair and square. Congrats. I was just pointing out that IU played a good game. No one gave us prayer given that it was in Atlanta and a virtual home game for you with an 80-90% UK crowd.

You didn't have a prayer and AD said this is my house biatch.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Is this serious? One Elite 8 (a Final Four) since 1993.

We've had 12 Elite 8 appearances in that time frame and beat them 15 of 21 times.

And for at least ten of those years we were on probation/death, and had tubby and clyde. Ha
 

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It was a 5 point game with about 4:30 left. Of course IU had to take chances at the end and foul which made the score not as close as it really was. No one forced Cal to sit Davis.

But you won fair and square. Congrats. I was just pointing out that IU played a good game. No one gave us prayer given that it was in Atlanta and a virtual home game for you with an 80-90% UK crowd.
And it was a 10 point game a minute and a half later. Who starts fouling on purpose in a five point game with five minutes left? Nobody does and IU didn't either. Btw Cal sat Davis after picking up two fouls in 5 mins because he did not want to a repeat of the game at IU where Davis played about 16 mins and fouled out. My point is IU never lead in the second half and only once in the first. UK had complete control of that game and won by 12. Now if IU fans consider that a good game then good for them. Congratulations for not getting beat by 20. Maybe that's what the team had engraved on their Sweet 16 rings.
 

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Is this serious? One Elite 8 (a Final Four) since 1993.

We've had 12 Elite 8 appearances in that time frame and beat them 15 of 21 times.

Yes it’s serious. I just asked that everyone give them a LITTLE (!) credit. That’s all. Im not wanting to compare them to the best college basketball program in the land (UK). Not asking anyone to call them elite. I would even settle for mediocre. I just don’t think their program sucks. According to this board teams are either great or they suck. No middle ground.

And with that, I’ve already spent way too much of my time trying to defend a team that I don’t care about. If you all want to say Indiana sucks, fine, so be it.
 

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It's not just IU, it's Indiana. I think it's because Tennessee blows so hard. Kentucky acts like a wind tunnel, creating astronomic amounts of suck in Indiana.
 

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IUsedtobe fans could pull a 40 lbs vacuum on an onion sack. Major suckage.

 

Blueblood410

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C’mon guys, let’s give them a little credit. They went to the national championship game in ‘02, gave our ‘12 national champion team a good game in the tournament, and if Crean could have figured out a zone defense I really believe they could have won it all in ‘13 (a down year in cbb). So to say they haven’t been good since 1987 is a stretch.

3 decent years outta 30, and ‘02 was a miracle run. Not exactly blueblood level.
 
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bthaunert

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Indiana prior to Bob Knight's arrival, 1901-71
Overall record: 802-543 (59.6%)
Big 10 titles: 8
Final Fours: 2
NCAA appearances (1939-71): 5

It's well known how mediocre they've been since 1988.

Like I said, flash in the pan.
Fair assessment. I just have a hard time saying a program with 5 titles has been a flash in the pan.
 

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Lol, so are you all hanging a banner and making popcorn boxes for staying close?


Honestly, think idiotic this sounds everyone. We were down and had to foul, but they made their FTs!!!! How unfair!

You realize UK was on offense when you fouled them, correct? So you could predict exactly what Kentucky would do on offense? They were going to miss all of their shots while Indiana hit theirs, right?

Just a horrible take
His point is that U.K. shot an uncharacteristicly high percentage against the average, which made the difference. Makes sense.