He's all-powerful. Right? He can part the seas and turn a person into a pillar of salt if he wants to. Right? He created the Earth in 6 days from nothing. Right? So why does he allow a demented, evil person to formulate a complex plan, acquire an arsenal, and kill 59 innocent people and injure 500 more? Doesn't he have some compassion? Doesn't he have a sense of justice? Somebody give me an answer that doesn't involve some master plan that we're all too stupid to understand. Thanks in advance for the insightful replies.
Why does God allow these tragedies to occur?
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That question you pose is a big reason why some folks choose not to believe and it's one that as a believer myself can't fully answer or understand. There is a book called Why Do Bad Things Happen To Good People that helps explain it a little. It IS hard to understand though
So you're are against anyone that may have a different belief than you? If someone gets some comfort from what they believe and it's not harming anyone......why are you so against it? You appear to be just a miserable old man.
What would you have him to do RPJ, stop you or anyone else from choosing to Sin?
Then you'd really be mad at him if you actually believe he exists.
I wonder why he keeps the Earth a perfect distance from the Sun?
A mile closer to it, we'd all fry like bacon.
A mile further away, we'd freeze to death...no more worry about global warming!
I think a better question to ask is why do we choose to do Evil knowing its devastating consequences?
I'd like someone to explain that to me.
So is willfull rejection of Almighty God Snow Sled Baby.
For every one of the nonbelievers who questions why Almighty God allows Sin, not one of them is willing to give him any credit for Salvation from it...which is a free gift they all willingly reject btw!
So why do they blame or question a non existent being's (in their minds) absence in the face of Evil, yet reject his promised prescription to save themselves from it?
That to me is a much more interesting and head scratching question.
How can you blame an entity for anything if you don't believe in its existence?
Does anyone else find the irony in the liberals decrying the tragedy of Las Vegas while whole heartedly condoning the abominable practice of abortion?
There's a lot of religious people who have asked that same question and are going to ask the good lord when they get to heaven.
Anybody who blames the bad actions of others on some non believing religious secularism is delusional. Why evil exists like this is beyond me.
Perfect Justice would dictate that guy (Vegas shooter) has a price to pay for his crime wouldn't it?
Suppose there was no punishment for his crime? Wouldn't that be unjust?
So non believers actually support injustice in this case, since they do not believe there is a just God who will ultimately correct this injustice.
So if you don't believe in a just God who will indeed punish this killer for his crimes, why do you complain about it being "allowed"?
Think about it Airport.
Those who reject God's call for righteousness willingly choose to disobey his rules defining it. Rejecting his very existence and his free gift from the wages of Sin (Death) they eagerly choose his forbidden behavior described as Evil then wonder why he allows it?
Freedom from a just God is Freedom to choose. Perfect Justice holds you accountable for your choices...either to obey God's call for goodness or to reject it. If he forced non believers to obey against their will, they would merely be slaves and that would be unjust!
Since the Left hates slavery (always using it to remind America of it's original Sin) they should be happy they are allowed to freely choose their Sin. In Almighty God's Mercy, he doesn't force them to choose either way...good or Evil. That is justly their choice and they are held accountable for it consequences good or bad commensurate with each choice.
Yet they often blame a non-existent God for allowing the very Sin they freely choose, and reject the very thing he offeres to them in Justice as a free gift of Salvation from it.
I do understand why they are confused.
For those of you on the Left like RPJ confused over why Almighty God allowed this horror, try to see if you're like any of the non believers filmed here?
They are presented with irrefutable evidence that in their own minds they easily admit is pretty convincing in terms of our Creation, yet they still reject the notion of a Creator.
Why?
See how many of you also fit this pattern, then try to ask yourselves why you too still reject the obvious as you question why a not so obvious God in your minds allows such Human misery as that Las Vegas shooter?
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I'll go one further Brushy. They obviously decry this Evil yet reject the notion of something being responsible for it. (Sin)
So, in their minds it is simply a random act of horror in a meaningless vacuum with no recompense for Justice right?
Yet, there was still more good in this than bad if you open your eyes and observe it.
How?
Because more lives were spared than were lost. As tragic as those deaths were, not everyone was killed. Some people saved other people's lives. Survivors will have their miracles to testify to others. Precious lives were spared and will go on given new leases on precious Life to save other lives through their testimonies of miraculous survival.
Thousands of innocent unwanted Babies are indeed aborted everyday as Brushy points out, yet also everyday Almighty God Blesses thousands and even millions more with new births...new Children...who bring unspeakable joy into the lives of their Parents and who will also grow to bring us more miraculous births and special lives.
We never run out of food to eat, or rain to water our crops, or seeds to plant them, or air to breathe, or gravity to hold everything on the planet together. We still have protection from the Sun's harmful ultra-violet radiation, we don't spin wildly out of control away from that same Sun's comforting warmth into nothingness of the vastness of the Universe and freeze to death.
Inside our bodies our cells still regenerate. We cut ourselves and our skin instantly goes into healing the open wound. We have our eyesight, sense of smell, our brains run 24/7 365 even when we sleep. Our blood still makes plasma to keep us free from harmful diseases & bacteria, and our organs function and keep most of us alive.
There is so much more good than this random act of Evil, and in Almighty God's Mercy he assures us no Evil act ever overwhelms the goodness that always comes as a result of tragedy. Evil will never overwhelm Good, because Good is controlled by Almighty God and he is beyond Evil....in charge over it.
We can choose to reject him and of course choose to follow Evil, but that will never erase his power over it, or limit our ability to reject it. We cannot be forced to do Evil. It cannot make us choose itself over goodness. It is limited in both its ability to affect us, or disturb the goodness from Almighty God that surrounds us otherwise.
So as bad as this tragedy is, there is always more hope and goodness left to overwhelm it if we simnply choose to access it.
It is always our free choice and that is perfect Justice.
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I thought I answered your questions RPJ in this thread but I will try again
Correct! But his Power is in his Mercy for those who choose to either accept him or reject him. No one is "forced" against their free will either way. He gives you the power to freely choose because all power rests with hin and in him. Your power to choose is a free gift from him.
Yes. He demonstrated that in the Bible to non believers before Christ came to offer his gift of Salvation. That is not necessary for him to do now because Christ paid that debt for us, and his gift is freely avaialble now to all so Almighty God doesn't have to demonstrate his Mercy to save us from Sin...Christ did all that for us!
The Bible says a day is like a second to him because he is beyond our concepts of time and space. So I'm not sure it was a literal 6 days (144 hours) because our concepts of time are limited to our Earthly references.( 24 hours..one full rotation opposite our Sun) But however much time elapsed for him to create it (Universe) it surely wasn't a problem for him to do it within that time reference. That 6 day reference is something we can understand with our finite minds trying to comprehend infinity.
The same way he allows a wretched, disgusting, Life long Sinner to confess his choice to reject Evil and open his heart to Christ and his amazing saving Grace! It works on both ends. Perfect Justice.
Absolutely! Christ is the ultimate compassion against the wages of Sin. He erased all of it, completely at Calvary. He said..."it is finished"! (Sin's control over us is no more!)
Yes! And because he is just, Evil does not go uncorrected.
1st it is never allowed to overwhelm us.
2nd, it is kept at bay because it has no control over us other than what we choose to give it by accepting it instead of Godly righteousness.
That Las Vegas shooter rejected righteousness and chose Evil, if there is no just God there is no consequence for his Evil choice and really no reason for you to be upset with it if you don't believe in some sort of Justice to correct it. Since you do and question where is the Justice here, Almighty God provides it. He will most certainly correct this injustice, and you should be happy about that since you are asking if Justice will be done here! Yes...it will be RPJ.
I think you are smart enough to understand what I've laid out for you here. Unless you are asking these questions in sarcasm with no real thirst for answers, only to validate your non-beliefs. In that case you have no right to ask for or expect Justice.
What for?
Correct! But his Power is in his Mercy for those who choose to either accept him or reject him. No one is "forced" against their free will either way. He gives you the power to freely choose because all power rests with hin and in him. Your power to choose is a free gift from him.
Yes. He demonstrated that in the Bible to non believers before Christ came to offer his gift of Salvation. That is not necessary for him to do now because Christ paid that debt for us, and his gift is freely avaialble now to all so Almighty God doesn't have to demonstrate his Mercy to save us from Sin...Christ did all that for us!
The Bible says a day is like a second to him because he is beyond our concepts of time and space. So I'm not sure it was a literal 6 days (144 hours) because our concepts of time are limited to our Earthly references.( 24 hours..one full rotation opposite our Sun) But however much time elapsed for him to create it (Universe) it surely wasn't a problem for him to do it within that time reference. That 6 day reference is something we can understand with our finite minds trying to comprehend infinity.
The same way he allows a wretched, disgusting, Life long Sinner to confess his choice to reject Evil and open his heart to Christ and his amazing saving Grace! It works on both ends. Perfect Justice.
Absolutely! Christ is the ultimate compassion against the wages of Sin. He erased all of it, completely at Calvary. He said..."it is finished"! (Sin's control over us is no more!)
Yes! And because he is just, Evil does not go uncorrected.
1st it is never allowed to overwhelm us.
2nd, it is kept at bay because it has no control over us other than what we choose to give it by accepting it instead of Godly righteousness.
That Las Vegas shooter rejected righteousness and chose Evil, if there is no just God there is no consequence for his Evil choice and really no reason for you to be upset with it if you don't believe in some sort of Justice to correct it. Since you do and question where is the Justice here, Almighty God provides it. He will most certainly correct this injustice, and you should be happy about that since you are asking if Justice will be done here! Yes...it will be RPJ.
I think you are smart enough to understand what I've laid out for you here. Unless you are asking these questions in sarcasm with no real thirst for answers, only to validate your non-beliefs. In that case you have no right to ask for or expect Justice.
What for?
I believe our God is a benevolent God...
God is mainly a force of positive influence in the world and is less willing to condemn individuals.
Believers in this God feel that whether sinners or saints, we are all are free to call on the Benevolent God to answer our prayers in times of need.
The issue of tragedy clearly reveals an important distinction between the Authoritative and Benevolent Gods. Two people with different images of God may see signs of divine intervention in the midst of the same event, yet interpret God’s actions and motivations differently.
Someone with an Authoritative view of God is more likely to believe that God either caused a bad event to happen or allowed it to happen to teach someone a lesson. Someone with a Benevolent image of God is unlikely to see God’s hand in the tragedy itself. Rather, evidence of God’s presence is found in stories of amazing coincidences or apparent miracles that saved people in the midst of the disaster.
Approximately 24% of Americans believe in a Benevolent God
Approximately 31% of Americans believe in an Authoritative God
Approximately 16% of Americans believe in a Critical God
Approximately 24% of Americans believe in a Distant God
http://www.thearda.com/whoisyourgod/fourgods/benevolent.asp
God is mainly a force of positive influence in the world and is less willing to condemn individuals.
Believers in this God feel that whether sinners or saints, we are all are free to call on the Benevolent God to answer our prayers in times of need.
The issue of tragedy clearly reveals an important distinction between the Authoritative and Benevolent Gods. Two people with different images of God may see signs of divine intervention in the midst of the same event, yet interpret God’s actions and motivations differently.
Someone with an Authoritative view of God is more likely to believe that God either caused a bad event to happen or allowed it to happen to teach someone a lesson. Someone with a Benevolent image of God is unlikely to see God’s hand in the tragedy itself. Rather, evidence of God’s presence is found in stories of amazing coincidences or apparent miracles that saved people in the midst of the disaster.
Approximately 24% of Americans believe in a Benevolent God
Approximately 31% of Americans believe in an Authoritative God
Approximately 16% of Americans believe in a Critical God
Approximately 24% of Americans believe in a Distant God
http://www.thearda.com/whoisyourgod/fourgods/benevolent.asp
This all might make sense if you actually believed in God. Unfortunately for many on the Left, that notion is just so much Cosmic pixie dust as we are all nothing but a mere evolutionary accident of nature formed among the stars with no purpose or reason...here today...gone tomorrow... so live Life as you please at its fullest and to Hell with (er...uh...to nothing with) any "consequences" from a so called benevolent "God"!
after more thought I would like to mention the concept if free will. God gives us the choice whether to sin or not. While sin may be more fun for a while there are consequences for living that lifestyle and rejecting salvation thru Jesus Christ. Christians are not perfect )no kidding)...as a matter of fact some Christians do unchristian things regularly (hello joel osteen) but the Bible tells us that we are supposed to confess our sins and try to live better, and that God will help us in that endeavor......hope that helps a little
I pray for you as I do all my off topic friends.......do you want me to stop?
I find it funny that the right wingers out there are saying "coverup" because the investigation in to the Vegas shooting, and we are just in day 3.........but the Trump investigation with collusion is a "witch hunt" because it's taking this long?
Personally, the shooter should be labeled a terrorist right now! If he's connected to Islamic radicals or homegrown nutcase......he's a terrorist. But, he's American........so I guess that gives him different requirements before being labeled this.......
Personally, the shooter should be labeled a terrorist right now! If he's connected to Islamic radicals or homegrown nutcase......he's a terrorist. But, he's American........so I guess that gives him different requirements before being labeled this.......
According to Pat Robertson, it happened because of all the disrespect in this country for trump.
LOL!
I guess he forgot about his own disrespect for Obama.
F'ucking hypocrite. Par for the course for what you see for "prominent Christians" these days.
I'm waiting on Alex Jones to tell me whether or not this event happened or if the Democrat-left wingers faked it like they did Sandy Hook.......
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What he is beyond all else is Evil.
How is there such a thing in the Left's non religious secular nomenclature?
Evil?
What's that?
Sin is pleasurable for a while, that's why it attracts.
But the consequences are what come back to bite you in the *** after the other end has its fun.
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