This thread is a microcosm of Trumps presidency. It will not age well when the facts come out. He’s possibly doomed this country.
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Half the carnage is due to the fact that instead of Congress being proactive for fighting the Chinese Wuhan, they opted for a sham impeachment & solar panels.
4 trillion dollars and 35% unemployment to flatten the curve. This virus will run it's course, no matter what. We're nothing more than mammals vs nature. Nature will find a way; flat curve or steep curve. Keep on.
A lot of "patriots" put their god above the well being of the country. All that sceaming about being a hoax to hurt Trump was them putting him and their politics first. Them saying don't politicize this while minimizing it and calling it just the flu was them politicizing this.
trump banned travel from China on Jan 31. He was called a racist of course. Bill de blasio on the other hand commy mayor of New York ****** encouraged people to get out on the town despite corona in early March. Boy are you libtards stupid. Dance on the graves of this pandemic some more you did the same thing with bush and Katrina what an old worn out playbook...
REPUBLICANS DONT CARE ABOUT HUMAN LIFE BUT WE LOVE ABORTION !!!
wahhhh wahhhhh trump is mean I'm with her wahhh
Anything but blame your hero comrade Xi for what happened !
So "what about" Bill Deblasio? Umm, screw him too. Trump downplayed this, said it was gonna magically disappear and drug his feet for weeks. Trump said anyone who needs a test can get a test 3 weeks ago, numerous people still can'tget tested. His actions have been insufficient, his handling if this pandemic has been a failure.
"What about" Bill Deblasio, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Libtards, or anyone else you want to "what about" doesn't excuse this failure.
Quick question, if I'm a libtard what liberal policies do I support? Can you name any?
Ohhh you're like a George Carlin you hate everyone ok I get it. I guess you're an accessory to murder then you apparently knew it would get soo bad- it's not it's overblown the odds of getting this and dying from it in this country are astronomical, it's not even likely to affect one percent of the population of this country- and you said nothing you're just a hindsight clown
I hate incompetence. I hate it when people excuse incompetence. I hate it when people put their politics ahead of the well being of the country. I hate it when experts say this pandemic is serious and will be huge problem then a large group of people downplay it because they think its a negative for the politician they support. I hate the two party system in this country. I hate that they've made politics a sport with 2 teams who win and lose instead being about policies and ideals. I hate that so many people have bought into this trinal war and been divided and conquered by a bunch of old millionaire politicians who put corporations ahead of people.
Downplayed? it's been covered non stop 24/7 for over a month I haven't heard about one other news story. Haven't heard about the murderers being let out of prison even hardly.
And frankly it doesn't deserve the coverage it's getting this is a junk virus. As pandemics go it is a dud and it'll continue to be a dud. The death rate is very low when you consider theres people who have it or had it and got over it and weren't even the wiser. Maybe they thought they had a cold
besides according to you trumps an idiot so why do you care what he had to say about it
It never ceases to amaze me how much the mainstream media still has a stranglehold on so many people throughout this country. Utterly brainwashed by relentless propaganda. Democrats siding with China (who suppressed information and lied about the virus’ severity as far back as November) over their own country. Sad. But not surprised anymore.
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I'm clearly not talking about the media downplayong it, I'm talking about you Trump supporters downplaying it. You giys have consistently called it a hoax and said it's just the flu.
I dont care what he says, I care that he's making decisions that are costing people their lives. The pandemic is not a dud, its gonna cost hundreds of thousands of people their life and its gonna overwhelm our healthcare system putting everyone in need of healthcare in danger. Weird that you still seem to think you know more than the experts.The Dunning -Kruger effect is strong with your kind.
when the "experts" are always wrong with everything they say it's pretty easy to go the other way. It is a hoax. A hoax doesn't mean the virus is not real-- doesn't even mean it shouldn't be taken seriously. The way it's being covered is a hoax. Everything the mainstream media does is a hoax by the way they mislead you. What they tell you and don't tell you. They lie by omission constantly. They only have guests that will spew their talking points. Just the other day CBS showed footage of an Italian hospital and pretended it was here
Dude, this statement is so warped I don’t even know where to begin but let’s start with the mainstream media which has been reporting for over a month now that this was a grave situation and many many Americans were going to die. Trump downplayed it, said it would disappear, and that the media coverage was a democratic hoax. All of those statements have been proven beyond argument to be false. This is the same mainstream media who said intelligence agencies reported Russia interfered in our elections for Trump. Our intelligence agencies confirmed this and Trump and the Fox News faithful called them liars and democratic plants. Now, you are using the same agencies to counter your point that China under reported their numbers and now you believe them. Which for the record, I believe them too just like I did then. Again, the part you’re missing is these agencies reported this IN EFFING JANUARY!!! Meaning Trump knew 3 months ago they were misrepresenting their numbers. All the medical experts told him to take this seriously and he blew it off. He has done the impossible and possibly destroyed the USA in under 4 years and you’re still defending him. The country is coming apart at the seems and you defend him. The economy is crumbling and you defend him. Hundreds of thousands possibly millions are dying and you defend him. There’s no defense dude. He’s the worst president ever and it’s only been 3 years:
1. 2.2 trillion bailout package with zero accountability. That’s right. All of this money is “free” if you tell the government that it was used to keep employees on the payroll. No proof or questions asked. Can anyone say FRAUD or abuse?
2. No real data on recovery rates vs. morbidity or mortality rates. Most of the data is based on projections from computer models and those models are built on the baseline that no precautions are being made, which is a false hypothetical. We are social distancing, getting more folks tested, isolating more key hot spots with the hydroxychloroquinine with the zinc sulfate and arixthromycin treatment regimen looking more promising in successfully treating the disease.
3. The destruction of the economy. If you think the fallout from CV is bad, wait until you see the ramifications of 30-35% unemployment adding in an upward spike in drug addiction, alcoholism and suicides as a result of men and women losing jobs, careers, and over a third of their retirement savings. We cannot allow this shut down to extend into the summer or the ripple effect could be catastrophic from an economic collapse that would affect mostly the lower and middle classes as the top earners will have multiple assets to cover their losses.
4. Fundamental changes to our society. Church, school, sports, charities, business, recreation, travel, etc. These represent the ways that Americans find meaning and fulfillment with their families and friends. I understand that we are trying to contain an invisible enemy and keep it from spreading, but at some point, these governors, mayors and government bureaucrats will need to exercise their critical thinking and problem solving skills and quit using a “one size fits all mentality.” Yes, quarantine NYC and other epicenters where the virus is most prevalent. Those areas where folks have fewer rates of infection, let those businesses and other facilities begin opening back up and keep stressing hand washing, social distancing, etc. Stop telling citizens to report on other citizens and threatening churches and other groups with fines or jail time if they meet together outside. And please don’t start calling for nationalizing our hospitals and a universal income in response to some of the mistakes that were made in the early days of trying to deal with this virus. This is America. Freedom to assemble, to worship, to choose are fundamental rights. Don’t let the bad judgement of politicians be a clarion call for social reconstruction.
These are the issues that frighten me more than the CV does.
2. No real data on recovery rates vs. morbidity or mortality rates. Most of the data is based on projections from computer models and those models are built on the baseline that no precautions are being made, which is a false hypothetical. We are social distancing, getting more folks tested, isolating more key hot spots with the hydroxychloroquinine with the zinc sulfate and arixthromycin treatment regimen looking more promising in successfully treating the disease.
3. The destruction of the economy. If you think the fallout from CV is bad, wait until you see the ramifications of 30-35% unemployment adding in an upward spike in drug addiction, alcoholism and suicides as a result of men and women losing jobs, careers, and over a third of their retirement savings. We cannot allow this shut down to extend into the summer or the ripple effect could be catastrophic from an economic collapse that would affect mostly the lower and middle classes as the top earners will have multiple assets to cover their losses.
4. Fundamental changes to our society. Church, school, sports, charities, business, recreation, travel, etc. These represent the ways that Americans find meaning and fulfillment with their families and friends. I understand that we are trying to contain an invisible enemy and keep it from spreading, but at some point, these governors, mayors and government bureaucrats will need to exercise their critical thinking and problem solving skills and quit using a “one size fits all mentality.” Yes, quarantine NYC and other epicenters where the virus is most prevalent. Those areas where folks have fewer rates of infection, let those businesses and other facilities begin opening back up and keep stressing hand washing, social distancing, etc. Stop telling citizens to report on other citizens and threatening churches and other groups with fines or jail time if they meet together outside. And please don’t start calling for nationalizing our hospitals and a universal income in response to some of the mistakes that were made in the early days of trying to deal with this virus. This is America. Freedom to assemble, to worship, to choose are fundamental rights. Don’t let the bad judgement of politicians be a clarion call for social reconstruction.
These are the issues that frighten me more than the CV does.
Glad somebody gets it. What's happened the last few weeks in terms of tyranny, on top of what probably is a bioterrorism attack by the Chinese taking many lives here and the world over, should enrage every American
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Posted this in another thread, but thought it was worth repeating here.
If you haven’t been already, then we all need to be praying for the folks in New York. It’s getting really bad up there now.
They’ve just instructed all EMS crews to stop bringing patients in cardiac arrest to the hospitals. If the medics cannot resuscitate them right when they arrive, then they are instructed to withhold CPR and immediately declare the patient dead.
As in Italy, this virus will kill more than just those people who actually catch it.
https://abc7ny.com/coronavirus-nyc-news-updates-new-york/6069778/
If you haven’t been already, then we all need to be praying for the folks in New York. It’s getting really bad up there now.
They’ve just instructed all EMS crews to stop bringing patients in cardiac arrest to the hospitals. If the medics cannot resuscitate them right when they arrive, then they are instructed to withhold CPR and immediately declare the patient dead.
As in Italy, this virus will kill more than just those people who actually catch it.
https://abc7ny.com/coronavirus-nyc-news-updates-new-york/6069778/
What an interesting thread. We should pin this to the board and revisit in about six months.
Some people’s last dying breath on a ventilator scraped out by their state government that’s shared between four people will be, “but my politard opinion is still valid, Rush told me so”. Hopefully their last words will be able to be heard over the rasping of labored breathing and the beeping of mechanical breathing apparatus. Maybe their FaceTime deathbed wish will be for higher poll numbers for their dear leader.
Some people’s last dying breath on a ventilator scraped out by their state government that’s shared between four people will be, “but my politard opinion is still valid, Rush told me so”. Hopefully their last words will be able to be heard over the rasping of labored breathing and the beeping of mechanical breathing apparatus. Maybe their FaceTime deathbed wish will be for higher poll numbers for their dear leader.
No sh** the economy is crumbling. We are in the midst of a global pandemic. Your golden calf Obama was taking credit for Trump’s booming economy on twitter recently right up until the pandemic hit. Funny how that works
1. The same media who said his travel ban from China implemented in January was racist and an overreaction
2. Trump never called the virus a hoax. He said the democrats and media blaming him and his administration for the outbreak is a hoax
3. The same media who fed you Trump Russia collusion hoax for over two years. Debunked
4. The same media that fed you a sham impeachment Ukraine phone call hoax. Debunked
5. The same media that shows footage from a hospital in Italy and claims it’s in New York
6. I blame China
I don’t believe a word they say nor should I. A suggestion is Dan Bongino’s podcast. He’s a great listen if you want to really be informed about what’s going on but doesn’t sound like you do.
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Sweden is also one of the least densely populated countries in the world, ranking 159th in population density with only 60 people per square mile.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density
That would rank 33rd if it was a US state.
Sweden also typically has a smaller household size in terms of the number of people living in each residence as over half of Swedish homes have just one resident.
However, the # of cases and deaths in Sweden is increasing rapidly, and they have more deaths per 1 million people than the USA, ranking 9th in that metric for countries with over 100 reported deaths. It’s just that they barely have over 10 million in population for the whole country so their total numbers are small relative to much more populous countries so it doesn’t look as bad to the naked eye.
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rob is completely correct. Trumpists will go down in history as the greatest tools of the rich they ever manipulated. Facts vs namecalling. Facts win.
I read everything that I could about the investigations and you are completely wrong or a liar. If the tables were turned and a demo did what he did you would have strun g him up already Nothing but hypocrites with no thinking skills. You are unable to tell what is real and what is not. Especially if the facts don't agree with your preconceived notions.
He really said "as pandemics go..." as a defense and we're all just letting that slide?
I'm going to bed.
I'm going to bed.
has anyone debated this other than joking around? It can be serious... it is serious and you should take precautions to keep yourself safe. You're also overwhelmingly likely to recover if you get it
It can still be exploited for political gain and it will be and it has been. The fact that a two trillion dollar bill was passed should tell you that
This is one of the weirdest sentences I've ever seen written on this board.
Sure, I guess it's true that it doesn't yet measure up to the 1918 H1N1 pandemic that killed over 50 million people (which, btw, serves as a great example of what happens when you don't take all these precautions that guys like you have been bitching about in recent weeks) ....or the 14th Century bubonic plague wiping out half the population of Europe.
But I hardly think that serves as any basis for dowplaying the severity of this crisis. Instead, it works better as a warning of what can happen if we don't take this as seriously as possible.
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You still believe that Trump colluded with Russia? You realize Hilary is the one who paid a foreign intelligence officer to get information from Russia on Trump? I noticed how you said you read everything you could about the investigations but didn’t mention your sources or the details in them that led you to believe something that was a hoax and a coverup from day 1. A dem telling me I can’t tell what is real and what’s not while they believe what the likes of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS have been spoon feeding them propaganda is hilarious.
I have said yes take it seriously. Wash your hands more be clean be smart stay away from people when you can. I also will not panic and I have a lot of faith in our medicine and way of life here America and Americans are quite clean for the most part.
Ohh Lord, where to begin.
First: Ther is no travel ban to China from the US. The US has placed restrictions with multiple loopholes, which also weren't put into effect until Feb 4th. However, Italy did implement a travel ban to and from China in January and it has not helped at all as they currently lead the world in mortalities. But by all means, keep relaying those incorrect talking points you are regurgitating from conservative media outlets.
How was it a hoax if it proved to be correct? I seem to recall the president saying at 15 comfirmed cases, we would be at 0 in no time and this was going to be minimal impact in the US. That sounds far more like a hoax to me considering we currently have more cases than the 2nd and 3rd ranked countries combined and are 3rd in the death rate. And that same guy claiming the democrats were making this a hoax, is now having to publicly say we will be doing will if we only lose 100,000 but even admits it is likely to be 240,000+ lost. This is the same guy who was confident we would be up and running again by Easter!
When was the Russia collusion debunked? Pretty sure Rober Mueller said otherwise. Seems ole Bill Barr and Trumo think it was a hoax. And the conservative media of course.
Where was Ukraine debunked? Pretty sure Trump got imeached by the house and even had memebers of his own party vote to impeach him in the senate. That doesn't sound very debunked. Unless of course you are just regurgitating conservative news and Trump.
What evidence do you have to suggest China is lying? Trump and co., as well as many other countries would like that evidence if so....
Obama can definitely brag now. Pretty sure unemployment is hitting record highs, wages are down market is down. Businesses are shuttering left and right. Countless are dying daily. That whole Maga thing ain't looking so hot now.
Actually the republicans began that in the primary. The Clinton campaign just took it over afterwards. But hey, don't let facts interfere.
You do realize the US does not have a travel ban to and from China, right? They restricted it in some cases, but many loopholes still exist. And that was put in place Feb4th, not January, which is just when it was recommended. Now China does have a travel ban of anyone coming into their country, but that wasn't a US policy.
Also, Italy did implement a travel ban with China in January and they now lead globally in corona virus related deaths. But don't worry, we will catch them very soon and be 1st in global deaths related to it.
#winning
Italy is being extremely generous with their Covid death numbers, other countries with low death rates are only counting those that died from actual Covid related illness as Covid deaths. Germany and South Korea
NYC is following the Italy standard, if you die and test positive it falls under a Covid death.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/why-italy-coronavirus-deaths-so-high.html
NYC is following the Italy standard, if you die and test positive it falls under a Covid death.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/why-italy-coronavirus-deaths-so-high.html
Actually, in the US we are seeing much higher numbers among younger people being impacted seriously by this disease. IIRC, we have the highest number of fatalities among younger age groups than any other country at this point.
H1N1 killed that many over a roughly 13 month period. We are now losing over 1000 a day just in the US alone from Covid 19. We will be over 6000 deaths total today, and we only had 1 death this time last month. Trump is even openly admitting we will have "done great" if we only lose 100,000, but he expects it could top 240,000 thousand. This is going to rival some wars for total casualties.
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